Mote than likely you can purchase the movie that was on the laserdisc in another format. Unless there are deleted scenes or footage only available on that medium, you have access to it in another format. Xbox 360 games only work on the 360. Xbone games will probably only work on the xbone. You can still enjoy the old games and current games. It's not one or the other.
Sure, but that really isn't the point of my example.
The content you already purshased is now usless until you buy a new device to play it on as well as re-purchase that same content you already had.
Think of it this way, while backwards compatibility isn't currently offereed we saw Microsoft allow emulated versions of its previous Xbox titles on the 360. This follows the same exmaple as moving content from one device to another not unlike Lazer disc to DVD, DVD to Blue-ray. It's also with a fairly acceptible span of time.
Again, if this is a big deal to you than don't buy the Xbox One. However given the track record of previous relased Xbox titles on the Xbox 360 I don't see why anyone would worry about the future of their games.
Also, lets not forget that those copies of Halo 2 are basically unplayable since they shut off the MP servers. Sure you can play campain, but lets face it; the majority of players want it for MP. Bottom line is, with the nature of games today (this includes Sony) servers WILL eventually be shut down. Sony had to do the same thing with Socom as well almost all MP type games. I suppose an argument can be made for single player, but we haven't even had enough time for Microsoft to explore this side of it.
Dixon said it best.
Dixon_Tufar wrote:
Concern is fine. Concern is healthy. Too much concern makes you an alarmist.
At least we have a choice.
Yes, you have to purchase it on a new devices (laserdisc to dvd, dvd to bluray, etc). But my point is is that you're capable. You mention backwards compatibility for the 360, but we also saw m$ abandon this after about a year. With no bc for the xbone, what makes you think they will have bc for the next xbox after the xbone? Yes, multiplayer only and multiplayer heavy titles will eventually be lost, but don't downplay the single player aspects of most games. The Halo titles have pretty damn good campaigns.
again, man? really? we do not need any more of these threads.
No one is being insulted, nor am I bashing Microsoft or Xbox. I am discussing a concern with the new system. If you don't agree, say so in a respectful manner and I will do the same. Otherwise we might as well pass the lotion because all we're left with is likeminded people circlejerking their own egos all over the place. A discussion requires multiple points of view.That is all this is.
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Also, lets not forget that those copies of Halo 2 are basically unplayable since they shut off the MP servers. Sure you can play campain, but lets face it; the majority of players want it for MP. Bottom line is, with the nature of games today (this includes Sony) servers WILL eventually be shut down. Sony had to do the same thing with Socom as well almost all MP type games. I suppose an argument can be made for single player, but we haven't even had enough time for Microsoft to explore this side of it.
This sort of illustrates my point. However, what I don't think many are understanding here, is that this isn't multiplayer, or an MMO but something quite new and completely different. If you purchase a game solely for the multiplayer aspect such as COD or Halo, then of course you realize that it has a life cycle, as even if they kept the servers open forever, there has to actually be other people to play with/against. After 10-15 years I really doubt that anyone would still be playing that title instead of the newest OMGPEWPEWBBQ!111! edition that just came out last week. It's a given, and not what we are discussing here.
The same goes for a MMORPG, which again is completely different then what we are discussing in this thread. An MMORPG is paying for access to the game on a monthly basis. You know this going in, and you also know that this type of game also has a life cycle and will eventually end.
What the article and I was trying to address, is that in this "Future" Microsoft is pushing on it's customers it's no longer just the multiplayer aspect that is dependent on their servers. Every single game you purchase for this system will be just like Halo and a MMO in the respect that you acknowledge that they can shut down the access to said game when they feel it has run it's course. Every game you buy resides on the Microsoft side of things, making their service the only thing allowing you to play your games. If you lose your job and can't afford broadband, go fuck yourself...you can't play your games until you get a new job. If when the next gen consoles come out most likely in another 8-10 years and they choose to shut off access to these games? Will you feel you got your money's worth? I for one wouldn't and I know that there's plenty of game collectors out there who agree. This is a large part of why you're seeing so much resistance to this new console and it's policies.
That is a HUGE step in taking away ownership from consumers and is why so many people are very concerned about the console. As it stands now, if I buy a Xbox 360 game, I own that game forever. I can put it on a shelf and play it whenever I want to break out the ole' 360 and fire it up. Same thing with all of my PC games (yes even the ones from steam). Pull out the disc or external drive you have them installed on, and BAM you're playing the game that you paid for. It's really just that simple. Hell I still periodically will install Evil Genius or Pirates! and play to my heart's content. Why? Because I own them and can and will play them at my leisure.If we accept this level of DRM on this console, there will be no going back from it. After this Microsoft will be right when they said that they are the future and everything you buy will follow this same format, you will own nothing and be beholden to the companies that hold the license for your products. This is nothing more than a money grab, they do not have your best interests at heart, this is not to bring you a utopian gaming future, this is to control the content, nothing more.
No, there won't be multiplayer, but that's not what we're discussing here. It's the ownership of the game that is contained on the disc when you purchased it. It's not about DLC, not about anything other than what you plunked down your hard earned shekels for when you initially bought the title.
Yes technology moves forward, and when it does a lot of our entertainment goes with it. However, technology has never moved forward without the public's approval. If we don't approve of the DRM on the consoles, it will disappear or the companies themselves will have to close their doors. We have to remember, that we are the customers and these companies are there to provide a service to us. Not the other way around.
There are plenty of other ways to ensure you purchase the games legally without this draconian DRM. Anyone remember these?
What about when Sony removed the Emotion Engine from the PS3 to cut costs, I don't recall too much negative press over that, but that also help create the trend of doing HD remakes of the previous generation. I don't think the servers will be shut down to make room for the next generation, I believe they'll just add to it, because it's integrated into LIVE not just A game.
they're both businesses, yet I only see one marked with a $ by detractors.
I agree they are both buisnesses and care only about making a profit. I think the only difference at the moment is $ony remembers that if the customers don't like your system you go out of buisness or at the very least, your system dies.
The one thing that has always irked me about consoles is the very fact that at best, you're renting. That in itself is not a problem if the console is new, but it becomes a problem as the console gets older and the window of playtime you get for a top-dollar game gets significantly reduced. It's therefore a relief for me when I learned that MS is keeping the 360 alive next to the Xbone since I won't be buying either console. At least I can play those games I love to play still for the foreseeable future as I slowly rebuy the games I love on console for the PC.
For someone like me, the PC using Steam/Origin/Square Store is a better option as those services can't readily pull the console-trick. PCs are by nature very backwards compatible and games on PC just have a level of longevity that can't be ignored. Whether or not I often return to the titles I buy is not a point of discussion that moots backwards compatibility. On the PC, if I want to play a twelve year old game, I can. It's what I liked about PCs in the past and it is what I like about them now.
Consoles make me feel like I hate my money. Which is, not surprisingly, far from the truth.
Cryptics comments remind me of the whole vinyl/casstte/ cd/MP3 thing...although it's not identical in that there usually is someone with a contraption that will transfer it to the newer format, but you still buy that contraption to keep what you already have usable. There are similarities.
" In fact, I'm willing to bet that a large percentage of the people who do enjoy the old tech are also big buyers of the new tech. I fall into that category. " - OMG
Realize that no matter how large that percentage is, it's tiny in comparison to the rest of the pie plowing headlong into the newer games/consoles full speed with no regard to the older stuff.
Realize that no matter how large that percentage is, it's tiny in comparison to the rest of the pie plowing headlong into the newer games/consoles full speed with no regard to the older stuff.
I'm still trying to figure out what point you're trying to make.
Cryptics comments remind me of the whole vinyl/casstte/ cd/MP3 thing...although it's not identical in that there usually is someone with a contraption that will transfer it to the newer format, but you still buy that contraption to keep what you
The difference being that I can burn my cassettes to CD-rom and still listen to my music. There have been cheap transfer-methods, like USB cassette decks and LP turntables. (You can even use them as normal audio-devices through your PC)
And that's my entire point. THE CONTENT is still there, even though the technology changes constantly.
Cryptics comments remind me of the whole vinyl/casstte/ cd/MP3 thing...although it's not identical in that there usually is someone with a contraption that will transfer it to the newer format, but you still buy that contraption to keep what you
The difference being that I can burn my cassettes to CD-rom and still listen to my music. There have been cheap transfer-methods, like USB cassette decks and LP turntables. (You can even use them as normal audio-devices through your PC)
And that's my entire point. THE CONTENT is still there, even though the technology changes constantly.
Unoftunately, games are not a standized format. Even some PC games need the older operating systems to run and those need an older PC to run the operating system to say nothing of obsolete GPU requirements. Eventually a game cannot be played due to practical obsolescence. Console games are tied to their respective console. The ultimate DRM is console unavailability. Owning something that cannot be reasonably used is quite similar to hoarding junk.
Music collections is not the same as a game collections. Music has very standardized formats that have allowed forward transferral. The medium has essentially failed several times over the last 100 years but careful manipulation has brought some of the music forward.
With any electronics item that will someday be discontinued, you're "renting." If it runs on electricity and therefore can just fry or stop working, someday you won't be able to play that anymore and won't be able to buy a new one. Some systems sooner than others. But there will always be remakes of older "classic" games on newer systems - I think this has been established well.
With any electronics item that will someday be discontinued, you're "renting." If it runs on electricity and therefore can just fry or stop working, someday you won't be able to play that anymore and won't be able to buy a new one. Some systems sooner than others. But there will always be remakes of older "classic" games on newer systems - I think this has been established well.
Myst, the killer app that sold people on CD-ROM drives, is available to purchase on Steam today for six dollars.
With any electronics item that will someday be discontinued, you're "renting." If it runs on electricity and therefore can just fry or stop working, someday you won't be able to play that anymore and won't be able to buy a new one. Some systems sooner than others. But there will always be remakes of older "classic" games on newer systems - I think this has been established well.
Myst, the killer app that sold people on CD-ROM drives, is available to purchase on Steam today for six dollars.
Pretty good example I'd say.
right. but PC isn't console.... It's not a locked down propriety machine.
I struggle to play old PC games because of compatibility, and I can't run some at all anymore.
I don't really want to keep around a crusty old PC just to play some game for 20 minutes worth of nostalgia.
Sure, its fun to revisit previous games though. I do it.
It seems Xbox 360 will be around for a minimum of at least 12 years. It may even be longer, but that is the information we have now. Xbox 360's console generation was the longest so far. If Xbox One and PS4 extend that trend, then I guess tack 20 years or so onto your current age to find out how old you'll be when you finally have to worry about the things in this thread.
Also, is it worth not playing fun games today because of a possibility you might not be able to in two decades? Why not enjoy games while they are there to be enjoyed?
Slightly off topic, but referenced here: Gamers seem to have an almost unhealthy amount of nostalgia. I don't want to go back and play old games, for the most part. I'd like to be able to trade in all my old NES and SNES games at my parents' house and get digital copies of them that I can have on any console they get released for. Even then, I wouldn't fire up the NEW and go play it. My wife plays the SNES at our house from time to time, and I just don't understand it at all. Nostalgia makes us play bad games, pine for stupid ideas and stupid concepts from great games, and marketers and developers prey off those old nostalgic feelings.
Again I think the point here is being missed completely. This is less about games and consoles specifically and more about our rights as consumers and not just rolling over for companies to take more and more of your ownership. Again, it seems most are ok with knowing that the only reason the move is being made to this format is to control the flow of money for the product and eventually kill the used game market all together.
I for one can't just shrug my shoulders and chalk this up to "it's going to happen anyway, just accept it." mentality. I started this thread to show people that they will revoke your access to these games, and most likely a lot sooner than most think. But apparently it's not a big deal and with consumers having that attitude, people like me have no chance and will be rolled over by the mindless machine of progress.
I started this thread to show people that they will revoke your access to these games, and most likely a lot sooner than most think.
But that's the problem with starting a thread with a pre-conceived conclusion that has no basis in fact. Your thread isn't to discuss, it's to alarm and try to show this as fact, when it is not at all factual. This may or may not happen, but you act as though it's a foregone conclusion.
Again I think the point here is being missed completely. This is less about games and consoles specifically and more about our rights as consumers and not just rolling over for companies to take more and more of your ownership. Again, it seems most are ok with knowing that the only reason the move is being made to this format is to control the flow of money for the product and eventually kill the used game market all together.
I for one can't just shrug my shoulders and chalk this up to "it's going to happen anyway, just accept it." mentality. I started this thread to show people that they will revoke your access to these games, and most likely a lot sooner than most think. But apparently it's not a big deal and with consumers having that attitude, people like me have no chance and will be rolled over by the mindless machine of progress.
I think your point is loud and clear. On the opposite side...your right is to not buy it. You're not being forced to do so. If a game licensing model does not agree with you then don't buy a One or steam games or phone/tablet apps ect. Any of these devices has a chance the company could crash in a single night and all you would have is local data..and if that goes..well your screwed. That is the way of the world. Anything tangible can be taken away...cars..houses..dishes ect. What can't be taken away is the memories...well until a few more years when we're all old and senile...course at that point it won't matter to us anyways.
Again I think the point here is being missed completely. This is less about games and consoles specifically and more about our rights as consumers and not just rolling over for companies to take more and more of your ownership. Again, it seems most are ok with knowing that the only reason the move is being made to this format is to control the flow of money for the product and eventually kill the used game market all together.
I for one can't just shrug my shoulders and chalk this up to "it's going to happen anyway, just accept it." mentality. I started this thread to show people that they will revoke your access to these games, and most likely a lot sooner than most think. But apparently it's not a big deal and with consumers having that attitude, people like me have no chance and will be rolled over by the mindless machine of progress.
But for many of us it isn't a rights issue at all. We want convenience over ownership for digital games. Ownership of digital games is ownership in products who purpose is very temporal to us. Ownership in something we no longer want is wasted. Especially when that ownership leads to burdensome obsolete junk in both physical and digital state.
You cannot make a consumers rights issue out of DRM and digital gaming for me because it isn't. Your position is wrong for me. Software companies are doing exactly what consumers like me want them to do. Not the other way around.
Again I think the point here is being missed completely. This is less about games and consoles specifically and more about our rights as consumers and not just rolling over for companies to take more and more of your ownership. Again, it seems most are ok with knowing that the only reason the move is being made to this format is to control the flow of money for the product and eventually kill the used game market all together.
I for one can't just shrug my shoulders and chalk this up to "it's going to happen anyway, just accept it." mentality. I started this thread to show people that they will revoke your access to these games, and most likely a lot sooner than most think. But apparently it's not a big deal and with consumers having that attitude, people like me have no chance and will be rolled over by the mindless machine of progress.
I'm not so sure I'd call it mindless. Games are moving away from physical copies, and I can see how it's discouraging, scary, or even alarming. PC gaming has gone through a lot of this stuff, and they complained and kicked and screamed, and this is what we, gamera, have been asking for. There's a lot of air being let out about the always-on requirements, but a lot of these new games are going to be played online only anyways. People also like to bitch. You can't discount that.
Again I think the point here is being missed completely. This is less about games and consoles specifically and more about our rights as consumers and not just rolling over for companies to take more and more of your ownership. Again, it seems most are ok with knowing that the only reason the move is being made to this format is to control the flow of money for the product and eventually kill the used game market all together.
I for one can't just shrug my shoulders and chalk this up to "it's going to happen anyway, just accept it." mentality. I started this thread to show people that they will revoke your access to these games, and most likely a lot sooner than most think. But apparently it's not a big deal and with consumers having that attitude, people like me have no chance and will be rolled over by the mindless machine of progress.
I'm not so sure I'd call it mindless. Games are moving away from physical copies, and I can see how it's discouraging, scary, or even alarming. PC gaming has gone through a lot of this stuff, and they complained and kicked and screamed, and this is what we,gamera, have been asking for. There's a lot of air being let out about the always-on requirements, but a lot of these new games are going to be played online only anyways. People also like to bitch. You can't discount that.
Us PC gamers did complain kicking and screaming. However, today there isn't a whole lot of fight left. We have pretty much accepted the fact that games can no longer be traded or resold. But thanks to PC games being so much cheaper than their console counterparts, it's a much easier pill to swallow.
Again I think the point here is being missed completely. This is less about games and consoles specifically and more about our rights as consumers and not just rolling over for companies to take more and more of your ownership. Again, it seems most are ok with knowing that the only reason the move is being made to this format is to control the flow of money for the product and eventually kill the used game market all together.
I for one can't just shrug my shoulders and chalk this up to "it's going to happen anyway, just accept it." mentality. I started this thread to show people that they will revoke your access to these games, and most likely a lot sooner than most think. But apparently it's not a big deal and with consumers having that attitude, people like me have no chance and will be rolled over by the mindless machine of progress.
I'm not so sure I'd call it mindless. Games are moving away from physical copies, and I can see how it's discouraging, scary, or even alarming. PC gaming has gone through a lot of this stuff, and they complained and kicked and screamed, and this is what we,gamera, have been asking for. There's a lot of air being let out about the always-on requirements, but a lot of these new games are going to be played online only anyways. People also like to bitch. You can't discount that.
Us PC gamers did complain kicking and screaming. However, today there isn't a whole lot of fight left. We have pretty much accepted the fact that games can no longer be traded or resold. But thanks to PC games being so much cheaper than their console counterparts, it's a much easier pill to swallow.
Is there a chance in hell that the console game prices will follow suit?
Is there a chance in hell that the console game prices will follow suit?
With every cycle the console-games became about €10-15 more expensive. So my estimate would be that consolegames will be marked up with the new cycle rather than marked down.
Is there a chance in hell that the console game prices will follow suit?
With every cycle the console-games became about €10-15 more expensive. So my estimate would be that consolegames will be marked up with the new cycle rather than marked down.
FYI. I just checked Futureshop.ca prices for PC AAA newish titles. Same as console games at ~$59.99 CDN. Prices for console games haven't gone up appreciably since ATARI 2600 at $44 CDN.
Put this in rumourville for now. Microsoft has confirmed first party titles for XB1 AAA disc based media at $59.99 US. No word on prices for downloadable versions, yet.
Yes, you have to purchase it on a new devices (laserdisc to dvd, dvd to bluray, etc). But my point is is that you're capable. You mention backwards compatibility for the 360, but we also saw m$ abandon this after about a year. With no bc for the xbone, what makes you think they will have bc for the next xbox after the xbone? Yes, multiplayer only and multiplayer heavy titles will eventually be lost, but don't downplay the single player aspects of most games. The Halo titles have pretty damn good campaigns.
No one is being insulted, nor am I bashing Microsoft or Xbox. I am discussing a concern with the new system. If you don't agree, say so in a respectful manner and I will do the same. Otherwise we might as well pass the lotion because all we're left with is likeminded people circlejerking their own egos all over the place. A discussion requires multiple points of view.That is all this is.
This sort of illustrates my point. However, what I don't think many are understanding here, is that this isn't multiplayer, or an MMO but something quite new and completely different. If you purchase a game solely for the multiplayer aspect such as COD or Halo, then of course you realize that it has a life cycle, as even if they kept the servers open forever, there has to actually be other people to play with/against. After 10-15 years I really doubt that anyone would still be playing that title instead of the newest OMGPEWPEWBBQ!111! edition that just came out last week. It's a given, and not what we are discussing here.
The same goes for a MMORPG, which again is completely different then what we are discussing in this thread. An MMORPG is paying for access to the game on a monthly basis. You know this going in, and you also know that this type of game also has a life cycle and will eventually end.
What the article and I was trying to address, is that in this "Future" Microsoft is pushing on it's customers it's no longer just the multiplayer aspect that is dependent on their servers. Every single game you purchase for this system will be just like Halo and a MMO in the respect that you acknowledge that they can shut down the access to said game when they feel it has run it's course. Every game you buy resides on the Microsoft side of things, making their service the only thing allowing you to play your games. If you lose your job and can't afford broadband, go fuck yourself...you can't play your games until you get a new job. If when the next gen consoles come out most likely in another 8-10 years and they choose to shut off access to these games? Will you feel you got your money's worth? I for one wouldn't and I know that there's plenty of game collectors out there who agree. This is a large part of why you're seeing so much resistance to this new console and it's policies.
That is a HUGE step in taking away ownership from consumers and is why so many people are very concerned about the console. As it stands now, if I buy a Xbox 360 game, I own that game forever. I can put it on a shelf and play it whenever I want to break out the ole' 360 and fire it up. Same thing with all of my PC games (yes even the ones from steam). Pull out the disc or external drive you have them installed on, and BAM you're playing the game that you paid for. It's really just that simple. Hell I still periodically will install Evil Genius or Pirates! and play to my heart's content. Why? Because I own them and can and will play them at my leisure.If we accept this level of DRM on this console, there will be no going back from it. After this Microsoft will be right when they said that they are the future and everything you buy will follow this same format, you will own nothing and be beholden to the companies that hold the license for your products. This is nothing more than a money grab, they do not have your best interests at heart, this is not to bring you a utopian gaming future, this is to control the content, nothing more.
No, there won't be multiplayer, but that's not what we're discussing here. It's the ownership of the game that is contained on the disc when you purchased it. It's not about DLC, not about anything other than what you plunked down your hard earned shekels for when you initially bought the title.
Yes technology moves forward, and when it does a lot of our entertainment goes with it. However, technology has never moved forward without the public's approval. If we don't approve of the DRM on the consoles, it will disappear or the companies themselves will have to close their doors. We have to remember, that we are the customers and these companies are there to provide a service to us. Not the other way around.
There are plenty of other ways to ensure you purchase the games legally without this draconian DRM. Anyone remember these?
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What about when Sony removed the Emotion Engine from the PS3 to cut costs, I don't recall too much negative press over that, but that also help create the trend of doing HD remakes of the previous generation. I don't think the servers will be shut down to make room for the next generation, I believe they'll just add to it, because it's integrated into LIVE not just A game.
M$, $ony
they're both businesses, yet I only see one marked with a $ by detractors.
I agree they are both buisnesses and care only about making a profit. I think the only difference at the moment is $ony remembers that if the customers don't like your system you go out of buisness or at the very least, your system dies.
Edit* Thanks for joining the discussion Shadow.
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The one thing that has always irked me about consoles is the very fact that at best, you're renting. That in itself is not a problem if the console is new, but it becomes a problem as the console gets older and the window of playtime you get for a top-dollar game gets significantly reduced. It's therefore a relief for me when I learned that MS is keeping the 360 alive next to the Xbone since I won't be buying either console. At least I can play those games I love to play still for the foreseeable future as I slowly rebuy the games I love on console for the PC.
For someone like me, the PC using Steam/Origin/Square Store is a better option as those services can't readily pull the console-trick. PCs are by nature very backwards compatible and games on PC just have a level of longevity that can't be ignored. Whether or not I often return to the titles I buy is not a point of discussion that moots backwards compatibility. On the PC, if I want to play a twelve year old game, I can. It's what I liked about PCs in the past and it is what I like about them now.
Consoles make me feel like I hate my money. Which is, not surprisingly, far from the truth.
Cryptics comments remind me of the whole vinyl/casstte/ cd/MP3 thing...although it's not identical in that there usually is someone with a contraption that will transfer it to the newer format, but you still buy that contraption to keep what you already have usable. There are similarities.
" In fact, I'm willing to bet that a large percentage of the people who do enjoy the old tech are also big buyers of the new tech. I fall into that category. " - OMG
Realize that no matter how large that percentage is, it's tiny in comparison to the rest of the pie plowing headlong into the newer games/consoles full speed with no regard to the older stuff.
and Deep, try to concentrate...
The difference being that I can burn my cassettes to CD-rom and still listen to my music. There have been cheap transfer-methods, like USB cassette decks and LP turntables. (You can even use them as normal audio-devices through your PC)
And that's my entire point. THE CONTENT is still there, even though the technology changes constantly.
Music collections is not the same as a game collections. Music has very standardized formats that have allowed forward transferral. The medium has essentially failed several times over the last 100 years but careful manipulation has brought some of the music forward.
With any electronics item that will someday be discontinued, you're "renting." If it runs on electricity and therefore can just fry or stop working, someday you won't be able to play that anymore and won't be able to buy a new one. Some systems sooner than others. But there will always be remakes of older "classic" games on newer systems - I think this has been established well.
Myst, the killer app that sold people on CD-ROM drives, is available to purchase on Steam today for six dollars.
Pretty good example I'd say.
right. but PC isn't console.... It's not a locked down propriety machine.
I struggle to play old PC games because of compatibility, and I can't run some at all anymore.
I don't really want to keep around a crusty old PC just to play some game for 20 minutes worth of nostalgia.
Sure, its fun to revisit previous games though. I do it.
It seems Xbox 360 will be around for a minimum of at least 12 years. It may even be longer, but that is the information we have now. Xbox 360's console generation was the longest so far. If Xbox One and PS4 extend that trend, then I guess tack 20 years or so onto your current age to find out how old you'll be when you finally have to worry about the things in this thread.
Also, is it worth not playing fun games today because of a possibility you might not be able to in two decades? Why not enjoy games while they are there to be enjoyed?
Slightly off topic, but referenced here: Gamers seem to have an almost unhealthy amount of nostalgia. I don't want to go back and play old games, for the most part. I'd like to be able to trade in all my old NES and SNES games at my parents' house and get digital copies of them that I can have on any console they get released for. Even then, I wouldn't fire up the NEW and go play it. My wife plays the SNES at our house from time to time, and I just don't understand it at all. Nostalgia makes us play bad games, pine for stupid ideas and stupid concepts from great games, and marketers and developers prey off those old nostalgic feelings.
Again I think the point here is being missed completely. This is less about games and consoles specifically and more about our rights as consumers and not just rolling over for companies to take more and more of your ownership. Again, it seems most are ok with knowing that the only reason the move is being made to this format is to control the flow of money for the product and eventually kill the used game market all together.
I for one can't just shrug my shoulders and chalk this up to "it's going to happen anyway, just accept it." mentality. I started this thread to show people that they will revoke your access to these games, and most likely a lot sooner than most think. But apparently it's not a big deal and with consumers having that attitude, people like me have no chance and will be rolled over by the mindless machine of progress.
But that's the problem with starting a thread with a pre-conceived conclusion that has no basis in fact. Your thread isn't to discuss, it's to alarm and try to show this as fact, when it is not at all factual. This may or may not happen, but you act as though it's a foregone conclusion.
I think your point is loud and clear. On the opposite side...your right is to not buy it. You're not being forced to do so. If a game licensing model does not agree with you then don't buy a One or steam games or phone/tablet apps ect. Any of these devices has a chance the company could crash in a single night and all you would have is local data..and if that goes..well your screwed. That is the way of the world. Anything tangible can be taken away...cars..houses..dishes ect. What can't be taken away is the memories...well until a few more years when we're all old and senile...course at that point it won't matter to us anyways.
You cannot make a consumers rights issue out of DRM and digital gaming for me because it isn't. Your position is wrong for me. Software companies are doing exactly what consumers like me want them to do. Not the other way around.
You got that right!
Now if you'll excuse me I have to get back to my game of Qubert.
I'm not so sure I'd call it mindless. Games are moving away from physical copies, and I can see how it's discouraging, scary, or even alarming. PC gaming has gone through a lot of this stuff, and they complained and kicked and screamed, and this is what we, gamera, have been asking for. There's a lot of air being let out about the always-on requirements, but a lot of these new games are going to be played online only anyways. People also like to bitch. You can't discount that.
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Us PC gamers did complain kicking and screaming. However, today there isn't a whole lot of fight left. We have pretty much accepted the fact that games can no longer be traded or resold. But thanks to PC games being so much cheaper than their console counterparts, it's a much easier pill to swallow.
Is there a chance in hell that the console game prices will follow suit?
With every cycle the console-games became about €10-15 more expensive. So my estimate would be that consolegames will be marked up with the new cycle rather than marked down.
UPDATE: I haven't found suitable confirmation.
http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/14/4431720/microsoft-selling-xbox-one-firs...
Put this in rumourville for now. Microsoft has confirmed first party titles for XB1 AAA disc based media at $59.99 US. No word on prices for downloadable versions, yet.