I genuinely like Forza 5. Yes, it has less cars. Yes, it has fewer tracks. Yes, it is missing my favorite track; nurburgring. However, with the smaller car livery, you can focus on making your niche in the category you like rather than feeling like you have to spread yourself all over the place with 500 cars. Also with fewer tracks, come less of a learning curve. You don't have the extra track to learn for those one or two races you may or may not race on them.
As for the microtransactions, I could careless about them. They are there for people who want to use them as a shortcut, I am OK with that. Some folks don't have the hours to put into the game and want their favorite cars right away. I can't blame them for that. Unless I dump some money into the microtransactions, they don't affect me. So I don't mind them.
They graphics... Some of the tracks are down right georgeous. Then some are sorta bland. However, I am not focusing on what is wizzing by beside me. I am focused on the next curve or car ahead or beside me. And those graphics are right on point. The cars are absolutely B-E-A-U-TIFUL.
The controls are nice too. The forced feedback with the XBox One Controller is a nice plus. I actually let off the gas now if the forced feedback says I am pressing too hard, too fast on the gas, or if I am going to fast around a curve while braking, it tells me in the kind Forza Motorsport way. It isn't as subtle as Forza 4 was. Though I think the forced feedback is upgraded in the new controllers. However, I could be wrong about that.
I think what people are failing to realize is this: The game is ultimately a launch title. What do we want from a launch title? We want a good, serviceable game that will last us until the mass exodus of games is thrust upon us. Forza Motorsports 5 does that, and I can see it lasting for awhile. Turn 10 says they are releasing monthly car packs that'll be bundled with the Season Pass. And lets be honest with one another: If you're here and are playing Forza 5, you bought the Season Pass. Enthusiast of the game always do. If you didn't, then you still can. And if you object to Turn 10 suposedly holding back cars for DLC packs, you're way off into lala land and can't be reasoned with anyways. I would imagine Turn 10 will release a few more tracks to go along with the Season Pass (as they always do), however that isn't confirmed yet.
Play more FM4. Get more involved in the community aspect of this club and that game. Learn the tracks from FM4.
Now go play FM5 again and then get back to us.
Why insult me? Can you find ANYWHERE on ANY page where I've EVER insulted ANYONE for what they like? I play FM4. I like that as well. I also happen to like FM5. Get over it.
If you don't, then find one you do like and play it. Don't insult me though.
Flyboy80498
PS: I don't like your insinuations in that lousy 4 sentence insult. I have learned the tracks from FM4. I knew there was a reason I quit playing online, it was to stay away from jerks like you.
I genuinely like Forza 5. Yes, it has less cars. Yes, it has fewer tracks. Yes, it is missing my favorite track; nurburgring. However, with the smaller car livery, you can focus on making your niche in the category you like rather than feeling like you have to spread yourself all over the place with 500 cars. Also with fewer tracks, come less of a learning curve. You don't have the extra track to learn for those one or two races you may or may not race on them.
As for the microtransactions, I could careless about them. They are there for people who want to use them as a shortcut, I am OK with that. Some folks don't have the hours to put into the game and want their favorite cars right away. I can't blame them for that. Unless I dump some money into the microtransactions, they don't affect me. So I don't mind them.
They graphics... Some of the tracks are down right georgeous. Then some are sorta bland. However, I am not focusing on what is wizzing by beside me. I am focused on the next curve or car ahead or beside me. And those graphics are right on point. The cars are absolutely B-E-A-U-TIFUL.
The controls are nice too. The forced feedback with the XBox One Controller is a nice plus. I actually let off the gas now if the forced feedback says I am pressing too hard, too fast on the gas, or if I am going to fast around a curve while braking, it tells me in the kind Forza Motorsport way. It isn't as subtle as Forza 4 was. Though I think the forced feedback is upgraded in the new controllers. However, I could be wrong about that.
I think what people are failing to realize is this: The game is ultimately a launch title. What do we want from a launch title? We want a good, serviceable game that will last us until the mass exodus of games is thrust upon us. Forza Motorsports 5 does that, and I can see it lasting for awhile. Turn 10 says they are releasing monthly car packs that'll be bundled with the Season Pass. And lets be honest with one another: If you're here and are playing Forza 5, you bought the Season Pass. Enthusiast of the game always do. If you didn't, then you still can. And if you object to Turn 10 suposedly holding back cars for DLC packs, you're way off into lala land and can't be reasoned with anyways. I would imagine Turn 10 will release a few more tracks to go along with the Season Pass (as they always do), however that isn't confirmed yet.
Play more FM4. Get more involved in the community aspect of this club and that game. Learn the tracks from FM4.
Now go play FM5 again and then get back to us.
Why insult me? Can you find ANYWHERE on ANY page where I've EVER insulted ANYONE for what they like? I play FM4. I like that as well. I also happen to like FM5. Get over it.
If you don't, then find one you do like and play it. Don't insult me though.
Flyboy80498
PS: I don't like your insinuations in that lousy 4 sentence insult. I have learned the tracks from FM4. I knew there was a reason I quit playing online, it was to stay away from jerks like you.
I'm not sure how that was insulting but OK.
But to answer your question yes I do find YOUR post that I quoted borderline insulting to the many members who want but are missing the community building features..
I genuinely like Forza 5. Yes, it has less cars. Yes, it has fewer tracks. Yes, it is missing my favorite track; nurburgring. However, with the smaller car livery, you can focus on making your niche in the category you like rather than feeling like you have to spread yourself all over the place with 500 cars. Also with fewer tracks, come less of a learning curve. You don't have the extra track to learn for those one or two races you may or may not race on them.
As for the microtransactions, I could careless about them. They are there for people who want to use them as a shortcut, I am OK with that. Some folks don't have the hours to put into the game and want their favorite cars right away. I can't blame them for that. Unless I dump some money into the microtransactions, they don't affect me. So I don't mind them.
They graphics... Some of the tracks are down right georgeous. Then some are sorta bland. However, I am not focusing on what is wizzing by beside me. I am focused on the next curve or car ahead or beside me. And those graphics are right on point. The cars are absolutely B-E-A-U-TIFUL.
The controls are nice too. The forced feedback with the XBox One Controller is a nice plus. I actually let off the gas now if the forced feedback says I am pressing too hard, too fast on the gas, or if I am going to fast around a curve while braking, it tells me in the kind Forza Motorsport way. It isn't as subtle as Forza 4 was. Though I think the forced feedback is upgraded in the new controllers. However, I could be wrong about that.
I think what people are failing to realize is this: The game is ultimately a launch title. What do we want from a launch title? We want a good, serviceable game that will last us until the mass exodus of games is thrust upon us. Forza Motorsports 5 does that, and I can see it lasting for awhile. Turn 10 says they are releasing monthly car packs that'll be bundled with the Season Pass. And lets be honest with one another: If you're here and are playing Forza 5, you bought the Season Pass. Enthusiast of the game always do. If you didn't, then you still can. And if you object to Turn 10 suposedly holding back cars for DLC packs, you're way off into lala land and can't be reasoned with anyways. I would imagine Turn 10 will release a few more tracks to go along with the Season Pass (as they always do), however that isn't confirmed yet.
Play more FM4. Get more involved in the community aspect of this club and that game. Learn the tracks from FM4.
Now go play FM5 again and then get back to us.
Why insult me? Can you find ANYWHERE on ANY page where I've EVER insulted ANYONE for what they like? I play FM4. I like that as well. I also happen to like FM5. Get over it.
If you don't, then find one you do like and play it. Don't insult me though.
Flyboy80498
PS: I don't like your insinuations in that lousy 4 sentence insult. I have learned the tracks from FM4. I knew there was a reason I quit playing online, it was to stay away from jerks like you.
I'm not sure how that was insulting but OK.
But to answer your question yes I do find YOUR post that I quoted borderline insulting to the many members who want but are missing the community building features..
I dont think Flyboy was being insulting in anyway of his opinion on the game.....actualy he is pretty spot on with alot of his points.....
I genuinely like Forza 5. Yes, it has less cars. Yes, it has fewer tracks. Yes, it is missing my favorite track; nurburgring. However, with the smaller car livery, you can focus on making your niche in the category you like rather than feeling like you have to spread yourself all over the place with 500 cars. Also with fewer tracks, come less of a learning curve. You don't have the extra track to learn for those one or two races you may or may not race on them.
As for the microtransactions, I could careless about them. They are there for people who want to use them as a shortcut, I am OK with that. Some folks don't have the hours to put into the game and want their favorite cars right away. I can't blame them for that. Unless I dump some money into the microtransactions, they don't affect me. So I don't mind them.
They graphics... Some of the tracks are down right georgeous. Then some are sorta bland. However, I am not focusing on what is wizzing by beside me. I am focused on the next curve or car ahead or beside me. And those graphics are right on point. The cars are absolutely B-E-A-U-TIFUL.
The controls are nice too. The forced feedback with the XBox One Controller is a nice plus. I actually let off the gas now if the forced feedback says I am pressing too hard, too fast on the gas, or if I am going to fast around a curve while braking, it tells me in the kind Forza Motorsport way. It isn't as subtle as Forza 4 was. Though I think the forced feedback is upgraded in the new controllers. However, I could be wrong about that.
I think what people are failing to realize is this: The game is ultimately a launch title. What do we want from a launch title? We want a good, serviceable game that will last us until the mass exodus of games is thrust upon us. Forza Motorsports 5 does that, and I can see it lasting for awhile. Turn 10 says they are releasing monthly car packs that'll be bundled with the Season Pass. And lets be honest with one another: If you're here and are playing Forza 5, you bought the Season Pass. Enthusiast of the game always do. If you didn't, then you still can. And if you object to Turn 10 suposedly holding back cars for DLC packs, you're way off into lala land and can't be reasoned with anyways. I would imagine Turn 10 will release a few more tracks to go along with the Season Pass (as they always do), however that isn't confirmed yet.
Play more FM4. Get more involved in the community aspect of this club and that game. Learn the tracks from FM4.
Now go play FM5 again and then get back to us.
Why insult me? Can you find ANYWHERE on ANY page where I've EVER insulted ANYONE for what they like? I play FM4. I like that as well. I also happen to like FM5. Get over it.
If you don't, then find one you do like and play it. Don't insult me though.
Flyboy80498
PS: I don't like your insinuations in that lousy 4 sentence insult. I have learned the tracks from FM4. I knew there was a reason I quit playing online, it was to stay away from jerks like you.
I'm not sure how that was insulting but OK.
But to answer your question yes I do find YOUR post that I quoted borderline insulting to the many members who want but are missing the community building features..
I think it maybe heavily tainted by the fact most of us are forced to play the single player in order to earn some cash, of course with that comes the drivertards. Those infuriating little bastards have caused me to take evasive action, sliding off into a barrier numerous times. Don't even get me started on that top gear track session at the start! but at the moment the game is seriously lacking in functions!
The mechanics are nearly identical, but the cars are way looser now and with even less grip than before (a ferrari on road tyres spins at 40mph without throttle LOL)
Tuning is a pain in the ass now, you can't quickly hop into a car and tune it up ready. You have to spend time adjust the oversteer or catastrophic understeer out of cars, it really does require some work to get cars to handle semi decently on race slicks.
I'm working on a bmw m3 to understand the tuning tricks, however i seem to run out of enthusiasm..
I think it maybe heavily tainted by the fact most of us are forced to play the single player in order to earn some cash, of course with that comes the drivertards. Those infuriating little bastards have caused me to take evasive action, sliding off into a barrier numerous times. Don't even get me started on that top gear track session at the start! but at the moment the game is seriously lacking in functions!
The mechanics are nearly identical, but the cars are way looser now and with even less grip than before (a ferrari on road tyres spins at 40mph without throttle LOL)
Tuning is a pain in the ass now, you can't quickly hop into a car and tune it up ready. You have to spend time adjust the oversteer or catastrophic understeer out of cars, it really does require some work to get cars to handle semi decently on race slicks.
I'm working on a bmw m3 to understand the tuning tricks, however i seem to run out of enthusiasm..
WHOA, WHOA, WHOA?!!!
Cars are WAY looser?!?!
WTF is this I keep hearing about improved "physics" then?
I wonder how many people claiming "improved physics" have ever driven a real car on real race tires in real competition.
How loose cars are in FM4 was my only complaint about the game. In fact it's complete BS. I've since gotten used to it so it doesn't bother me so much but REAL race tires put power down WAY better than in FM4. How in the world more loose is better physics is beyond me.
WTF is this I keep hearing about improved "physics" then?
I wonder how many people claiming "improved physics" have ever driven a real car on real race tires in real competition.
How loose cars are in FM4 was my only complaint about the game. In fact it's complete BS. I've since gotten used to it so it doesn't bother me so much but REAL race tires put power down WAY better than in FM4. How in the world more loose is better physics is beyond me.
From my point of view so far as a tuner,
The changes that I have made to the car's suspension can be felt more crisply. In FM4, changing parameters then test driving it seemed like trying to read the signs through a forg; you could feel it, but only vague kind of way. In FM5, I can feel the before/after difference more discretely and can tell which I preferred.
I think much of a car's feel comes from the tire simulation. The feel of weight, for example, comes from how the car responds to the inputs as well as how the car slides on track. The tire response is smoother, feedback is good, and the traction above 100% grip level "feels" . . . organic? How does one describe such thing?
IndyCar at Indianapolis can be taken around the whole track 100% full throttle. I would consider that grippy. E21 has such an amazing amount of grip that you really have to have faith when you enter Eau Rouge that the car will hold the line.
But, loose is not same as slippery. I find the cars more slippery (this is a racing condition) but not loose (this is a set-up condition). The set-ups that worked in FM4 may not work in FM5. After achieving level 25 affinity on Mazda MX-5, I am still tuning it and continue to find new settings that improves grip and stability. For example, I had trouble taking the double apex right hander at Yas Marina. Just could not take it at full throttle then brake with confidence. This issue was correctable. The spring rate changes of 25 lb/in was evident so I was able to tell "too stiff" from "too soft" then settle on just right. Same with the differentials.
It feels like somebody just walked up to me and gave me a pair of glasses.
well looks like this is T-10 own "Horizon", with tuning. great single player game? Yep this version is only put out there for the casual player that doesn't get envolved with in organized racing much. They will do the public lobbies until the timmys ram and crash them and then they will put the game up and not play again or go back to single player.
The whole DLC thing is not bad but T-10 has shown that it can't be trusted to give us what we would like but what they want to turn loose to us. Tracks? The "ring" is supposed to show up in Jan. I wouldn't hold my breath. Hope it does :fingerscrossed:
I am not going to get this version right now. I am going to wait to see what the DLC's are going to be. Maybe in a year. Going to look into a ps3 and GT for now.
well looks like this is T-10 own "Horizon", with tuning. great single player game? Yep this version is only put out there for the casual player that doesn't get envolved with in organized racing much.
I can vouch that this isn't even for the casual player. I'm a casual player and with VIP I get 30k after each race. Some of the cars I want are between 3 to 5 million. Sorry T10 I didn't buy the X1 just to play your damn econimic simulator. I have other games too and a life. I was pumped looking forward to F5 after I really got started in the series in F4. What a big let down, online comunity basically stripped. But per their interview that was to make our lives easier since it was such a hassle keeping up with your storefronts.
I bought Assassin's Creed so I'm enjoying that. Looking forward to some of the other games that are coming for the X1. I think though that once I finish off racing the league races I'm done with Forza. Looks like I will be building a new pc so I can do some racing on iracing and AC. I think they really shot themselves in the foot for anyone who has played this series prior to F5. They basically turned their backs on a large part of the comunity and with that dumbass interview slapped everyone too.
Seems all a little too much, as a fellow PC racer said "...and I thought iRacing was expensive" This whole DLC thing is out of control. As for the comparison between the preview and the launch graphics...
A year ago I was looking forward to F5 and the One, then over that year I saw more and more that disturbed me, average console hardware specs, the kinect...then F5, less tracks, more DLC and none of the stuff we were expecting to be added.
flyboy this game was made just for you...the casual racer that doesn't join in organized racing, the one that does not spend 4-6 hours a night racing with friends, tuning, painting and just practicing a line at the next track to be run.
That is not a knock on you. that is what you like to do. This version is made for you and those like you. I'm glad you like it
The Forza faithful got ripped off. The comparison to F2 is laughable. Don't care what was then, this is now and to cut content was wrong on T-10s part.
flyboy this game was made just for you...the casual racer that doesn't join in organized racing, the one that does not spend 4-6 hours a night racing with friends, tuning, painting and just practicing a line at the next track to be run.
That is not a knock on you. that is what you like to do. This version is made for you and those like you. I'm glad you like it
The Forza faithful got ripped off. The comparison to F2 is laughable. Don't care what was then, this is now and to cut content was wrong on T-10s part.
Jimmy....And that 'Ol School called me a Forza Hater...Shame 'Ol School...Shame!...
P.(ARCELL)S.......HO HO HOOOOOO....MERRY CHRISTMAS....GT 6 is Coming!!!!
You are absolutely right when you say I am not that guy who spends 4 - 6 hours each night in organized races. I am not that versed in tuning cars, I am not a painter, nor do I have the patience to run a line over and over again just to perfect it. I will freely admit I am the casual racer who likes to race casually with friends here and there.
That's why you'll see me pop in and out of here from time to time, and then disappear for awhile while the new fangled game has my attention. I have gamer ADD. Unless it is
1) Mass Effect 1, 2 or 3
2) Assassin's Creed Series
3) Fallout 3 or New Vegas
4) Borderlands 1 or 2
I simply can't stay attached to the game past the first (possibly second time, if it is GOTY material) time I beat it. That's not to say I won't go back to a game after I've beaten whatever newest game is out. I do all the time during the lulls in between releases of games I like. Forza tends to be that goto title for me. But I don't spend enough time with it to be called the hardcore racer. I will never be a hardcore racer because I don't understand the first thing about tuning. Nor is my painting skills above drawing a stick figure. But I throughly enjoy the competition when it suits my fancy =o)
I can completely understand why the 'hardcore' fan feels left out after some of you explained it to me in a logical, non yelling manner.
As of right now though... Forza 5 and Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag look to be my 'go to's' for the XBox One until the mass exodus of games get released sometime in the future. I can say this for certain: I enjoy Forza 5 WAY more than I enjoy NFS: Rivals.
Flyboy80498
PS: I hope something is released soon for the XBox One for you hardcore racing fans. I hope you're not stuck with simulation racing with Forza 5 if you don't enjoy it. No one wins when a game isn't enjoyable by casual and hardcore fans alike.
This thread is making me happy that I will be buying my son an Xbox 360 of his own (3rd one in the house) rather than buying 1 new Xbox One. Fuck that taking over my Cable bullshit, my cable box does the same thing (it's called a remote), I just can't talk to it, WHOOPDEEEFRICKENDOO! And the non sense that T10 is doing, Fuck that. The next NEXTGEN console I will purchase is the Playstation. Xbox1 = Total entertainment takeover. Playstation4 is about the gamer, that's what Sony was shooting for and that's what I want dammit. I've got almost 10 years on XBL straight, so no one can say I'm not an Xbox fan. But with this new console, they lost me. When my 360 gets old and grey (Like Jimmee) I'll be purchasing a SONY product.
P.S. I just thought of something: 10 Years XBL tenure with average $60 per year or more = $600 + my cable internet bill. JUST TO PLAY ONLINE!!!!!!!! MAKE XBL FREE!!!!! Money hungry FUCKS!!
Captain....Doesn't Make You Feel Good to Vent?...Believe Me It Is Healthy..Besides It Gives others another insight into making a decision about a product that they may be on the fence in buying....I just don't like it when corporations try to cattle shute you into buying their totally inferior product...With the blessings of certain world wide media....Just read the article about before and after pictures of graphics at E3..Veni Vidi Vici-Sim Racing News...The difference is day and night and so was the processor...http://www.teamvvv.com/en/news/comments/Forza-5s-graphics-downgraded-fro... like a dummy down end product....At least to someone like me!..Personal Opinion of Course.
you do realize Sony is now pay to play online too, right? PSN+ is $50 a year and you need it on PS4.
I really think if you gave it a try, you may feel differently about the One. This seems pretty knee-jerk reaction to not wanting to use it to watch TV through, which is an additional feature (not a focus). I don't and will never hook my cable box to it because I have a Tivo and that wouldn't work well - plus my wife wouldn't want to use the Xbox for TV. However, the box is great besides that, so far. It's truly next-gen feel.
you do realize Sony is now pay to play online too, right? PSN+ is $50 a year and you need it on PS4.
I really think if you gave it a try, you may feel differently about the One. This seems pretty knee-jerk reaction to not wanting to use it to watch TV through, which is an additional feature (not a focus). I don't and will never hook my cable box to it because I have a Tivo and that wouldn't work well - plus my wife wouldn't want to use the Xbox for TV. However, the box is great besides that, so far. It's truly next-gen feel.
Most of the XBone rage in here is about the Forza game, just so happens you have to buy the XBone to play it. If Forza 5 was what we were hoping it would be, it'd be a lot more positive in general.
you do realize Sony is now pay to play online too, right? PSN+ is $50 a year and you need it on PS4.
I really think if you gave it a try, you may feel differently about the One. This seems pretty knee-jerk reaction to not wanting to use it to watch TV through, which is an additional feature (not a focus). I don't and will never hook my cable box to it because I have a Tivo and that wouldn't work well - plus my wife wouldn't want to use the Xbox for TV. However, the box is great besides that, so far. It's truly next-gen feel.
Most of the XBone rage in here is about the Forza game, just so happens you have to buy the XBone to play it. If Forza 5 was what we were hoping it would be, it'd be a lot more positive in general.
It's not.
I REALY hope that folks didn't expect Forza 5 to be released on XBox 360 along with the XBox One. Microsoft made Forza 5, along with a couple games, their premier launch games. Microsoft wanted a hook to get gamers to buy the system. What better way than entice a rabid fan base with Forza 5?
Speaking of launch games. We have to put Forza 5 in to perspective. No launch title (save for Halo: Combat Evolved) has been outstandingly awesome. I can't think of one launch title, except Halo, that's a classic for either the PS, PS2, PS3, XBox, or XBox 360. Launch titles tend to me middling, mediocore games ranging from 6's to 7.5's. Rarely do we ever get the 9 or 10 rated launch title. I don't understand why anyone thought that Forza would be any different.
I've played most everything (except for a few sports games, and they are on the way from Gamefly right now. I won't be doing the excercize crap either.) that has been released for the XBox On CoD: Ghost is good, not great. I haven't been a fan of the series because of my past (100% Disabled US Air Force Veteran here) though. Battlefield 4 I hated on the XBox 360, so that wasn't an option for the XBox One. Forza 5 is good, I like it. I can see why others don't. NFS: Rivals is a rehash of other NFS games with better graphics. Ryse is good. It's what is expected from a launch title. Short, great graphics, decent story line. It'll be forgotten in a few months. Madden 25 is good. Nothing spectacular, updated graphics. Go figure. LEGO: SMH's is good. Nothing really updated from the 360 version though. My point here is this: I haven't seen an awesome instant classic yet. And to think that Forza 5 was going to fit in or be close to that, is unreasonable at best for a launch title.
The problem is this for launch titles: Hardware specs aren't nailed down until the last second. So developers really don't know what they are working with until the last second, and they are up against a hard deadline if they are to be a Day One Launch title. And Microsoft pimped Forza 5 as just that. It would have been a massive failure if Turn 10 delayed Forza 5 for any reason. So, Turn 10 was placed in a tough spot. And for what they were up against, I think they put out a decent game that'll be forgotten once Forza 6 is announced in a year... or two. Then you will get to see the true beauty that Turn 10 can do for hardcore Forza fans.
you do realize Sony is now pay to play online too, right? PSN+ is $50 a year and you need it on PS4.
I really think if you gave it a try, you may feel differently about the One. This seems pretty knee-jerk reaction to not wanting to use it to watch TV through, which is an additional feature (not a focus). I don't and will never hook my cable box to it because I have a Tivo and that wouldn't work well - plus my wife wouldn't want to use the Xbox for TV. However, the box is great besides that, so far. It's truly next-gen feel.
Most of the XBone rage in here is about the Forza game, just so happens you have to buy the XBone to play it. If Forza 5 was what we were hoping it would be, it'd be a lot more positive in general.
It's not.
I REALY hope that folks didn't expect Forza 5 to be released on XBox 360 along with the XBox One. Microsoft made Forza 5, along with a couple games, their premier launch games. Microsoft wanted a hook to get gamers to buy the system. What better way than entice a rabid fan base with Forza 5?
Speaking of launch games. We have to put Forza 5 in to perspective. No launch title (save for Halo: Combat Evolved) has been outstandingly awesome. I can't think of one launch title, except Halo, that's a classic for either the PS, PS2, PS3, XBox, or XBox 360. Launch titles tend to me middling, mediocore games ranging from 6's to 7.5's. Rarely do we ever get the 9 or 10 rated launch title. I don't understand why anyone thought that Forza would be any different.
I've played most everything (except for a few sports games, and they are on the way from Gamefly right now. I won't be doing the excercize crap either.) that has been released for the XBox On CoD: Ghost is good, not great. I haven't been a fan of the series because of my past (100% Disabled US Air Force Veteran here) though. Battlefield 4 I hated on the XBox 360, so that wasn't an option for the XBox One. Forza 5 is good, I like it. I can see why others don't. NFS: Rivals is a rehash of other NFS games with better graphics. Ryse is good. It's what is expected from a launch title. Short, great graphics, decent story line. It'll be forgotten in a few months. Madden 25 is good. Nothing spectacular, updated graphics. Go figure. LEGO: SMH's is good. Nothing really updated from the 360 version though. My point here is this: I haven't seen an awesome instant classic yet. And to think that Forza 5 was going to fit in or be close to that, is unreasonable at best for a launch title.
The problem is this for launch titles: Hardware specs aren't nailed down until the last second. So developers really don't know what they are working with until the last second, and they are up against a hard deadline if they are to be a Day One Launch title. And Microsoft pimped Forza 5 as just that. It would have been a massive failure if Turn 10 delayed Forza 5 for any reason. So, Turn 10 was placed in a tough spot. And for what they were up against, I think they put out a decent game that'll be forgotten once Forza 6 is announced in a year... or two. Then you will get to see the true beauty that Turn 10 can do for hardcore Forza fans.
What makes you think anyone expected F5 to come out on the 360? It was always a Bone release, the things about it that disapoint have nothing to do with the problems of being first out the box, Forza has been a flagship game since Forza one and they managed the switch from the first xbox to the second just fine. This release is weak, it ignored what people have been asking for, took away much of what made it good and added stuff that makes life hard for clubs like this to function. Just because it is on new hardware is no excuse, it's coded first on PC and then ported, they started work long before the Bone hardware was set in stone, they started as soon as they finished Forza 4, so there are no excuses.
I'm glad you like it, but your assertion it's problems are related to it being a launch title just dont hold water.
you do realize Sony is now pay to play online too, right? PSN+ is $50 a year and you need it on PS4.
I really think if you gave it a try, you may feel differently about the One. This seems pretty knee-jerk reaction to not wanting to use it to watch TV through, which is an additional feature (not a focus). I don't and will never hook my cable box to it because I have a Tivo and that wouldn't work well - plus my wife wouldn't want to use the Xbox for TV. However, the box is great besides that, so far. It's truly next-gen feel.
Most of the XBone rage in here is about the Forza game, just so happens you have to buy the XBone to play it. If Forza 5 was what we were hoping it would be, it'd be a lot more positive in general.
It's not.
I REALY hope that folks didn't expect Forza 5 to be released on XBox 360 along with the XBox One. Microsoft made Forza 5, along with a couple games, their premier launch games. Microsoft wanted a hook to get gamers to buy the system. What better way than entice a rabid fan base with Forza 5?
Speaking of launch games. We have to put Forza 5 in to perspective. No launch title (save for Halo: Combat Evolved) has been outstandingly awesome. I can't think of one launch title, except Halo, that's a classic for either the PS, PS2, PS3, XBox, or XBox 360. Launch titles tend to me middling, mediocore games ranging from 6's to 7.5's. Rarely do we ever get the 9 or 10 rated launch title. I don't understand why anyone thought that Forza would be any different.
I've played most everything (except for a few sports games, and they are on the way from Gamefly right now. I won't be doing the excercize crap either.) that has been released for the XBox On CoD: Ghost is good, not great. I haven't been a fan of the series because of my past (100% Disabled US Air Force Veteran here) though. Battlefield 4 I hated on the XBox 360, so that wasn't an option for the XBox One. Forza 5 is good, I like it. I can see why others don't. NFS: Rivals is a rehash of other NFS games with better graphics. Ryse is good. It's what is expected from a launch title. Short, great graphics, decent story line. It'll be forgotten in a few months. Madden 25 is good. Nothing spectacular, updated graphics. Go figure. LEGO: SMH's is good. Nothing really updated from the 360 version though. My point here is this: I haven't seen an awesome instant classic yet. And to think that Forza 5 was going to fit in or be close to that, is unreasonable at best for a launch title.
The problem is this for launch titles: Hardware specs aren't nailed down until the last second. So developers really don't know what they are working with until the last second, and they are up against a hard deadline if they are to be a Day One Launch title. And Microsoft pimped Forza 5 as just that. It would have been a massive failure if Turn 10 delayed Forza 5 for any reason. So, Turn 10 was placed in a tough spot. And for what they were up against, I think they put out a decent game that'll be forgotten once Forza 6 is announced in a year... or two. Then you will get to see the true beauty that Turn 10 can do for hardcore Forza fans.
What makes you think anyone expected F5 to come out on the 360? It was always a Bone release, the things about it that disapoint have nothing to do with the problems of being first out the box, Forza has been a flagship game since Forza one and they managed the switch from the first xbox to the second just fine. This release is weak, it ignored what people have been asking for, took away much of what made it good and added stuff that makes life hard for clubs like this to function. Just because it is on new hardware is no excuse, it's coded first on PC and then ported, they started work long before the Bone hardware was set in stone, they started as soon as they finished Forza 4, so there are no excuses.
I'm glad you like it, but your assertion it's problems are related to it being a launch title just dont hold water.
Well that didn’t take much effort…just been banned from the Forza forums till the year 2165.
I don’t give a shit about the ban but the way it went down was disappointing. I was debating with the Mod “TG Wormburner” in the “interesting article – just providing insight” thread, page 2. Seems he didn’t take kindly to one of Parcells typical sarcastic/logical replies. He quoted one of my responses, having edited the part that sort of poked fun at him which skewed my overall message and then he asked me a couple of questions regarding my feedback. But before I had the chance to respond he banned me. He clearly couldn’t handle the wrath of Parcells.
Therefore I have a small request for anyone willing to deliver a message for me. Fair warning, you could get banned because of it so I understand if you want no part of it…I’m thinking this is a perfect job for POIDSLY. J
Could someone please send wormburner a PM for me telling him that Parcells feels bad about not getting the opportunity to respond to his latest post because of a ban and to send him my response…below in quotes.
OR maybe if someone could just go into the thread, quote TG Wormburner’s reply to my post (the one where he edited it) and respond with…”Parcells feels bad about not replying to your query. It seems someone banned him from this site before he had the opportunity to respond.”
“Harder to make my point after you’ve edited my response but I’ll give it a go anyway.
“Why would it be odd?” Because it seems like a very odd thing to love which is why I suggested sarcasm tags. That said I believe the point you were trying to make is why should we care about feedback from people who’ve never played the game. If someone who hasn’t played the game was providing feedback on game physics sure that makes perfect sense but we’re talking about feedback on a game feature (tokens to buy cars) that people have read about and are able to form an opinion on without actually playing. Unless everything we’ve been reading about tokens is a lie surely you do not have to play the game to provide feedback on this particular feature?
“If you had actually played the game (he hasn't) you would know that they aren't necessary and that a Play 2 Win model isn't even in the game.” I assume that’s a typo and you meant “pay to play”. Again I fully understand that tokens are not necessary (still not having played the game – look at me go) but that doesn’t make your statement any less odd to me. Slightly side tracked here – are you really saying a “pay to play” model is not in this game? If that’s the case I clearly do not understand what “pay to play” means and I’m sorry for wasting your time. Regardless I do understand how these tokens work and totally agree they are 100% optional and not needed to fully enjoy the game.
“This blowback never happened in FM4 or Horizon and the cars are even CHEAPER than they were in those games and there were still tokens there.” That’s because in FM4 and Horizon the amount of real currency required to purchase in game cars was “reasonable” which it certainly is not in FM5.”
As oldschool said. Most players here will only play Forza on the Xbox. After you factor in the time to build, tune and paint one car for an event you can be 3 hours in just for this. If you are running in more than one event each week your total playing time gets split between racing practice and tuning. I know the Xbox one is good but in the past 2 years there have been two games in my dvd tray on the 360. Forza and GTA. Yes I know this is pretty sad but if you want to be on the top you need to put in the time.
I think we need to face facts here. M$ and Turn 10 have conceded the hardcore folks to Gran Turismo and/or the PC (rFactor, iRacing, Assetto Corsa, etc.) They started in Forza 4 and have continued the trend with Forza 5. And, to be candid, why wouldn't they? The reality is that the PC is just better for sim racing. There is no way around that. No matter what you look at, the PC is better for the hardcore guys like all of us. And yes, we all are hardcore sim racers. Gran Turismo is still holding on, but it also is aiming more and more to the casual racer.
You can build a decent gaming PC and get up and running with iRacing, rFactor, Assetto Corsa and/or F1 2013 for less than what you will spend on an Xbox One and Forza 5. And, you will get a better community and sim racing experience. Gran Turismo 6 is even cheaper, as you only need a PS3 and the game.
I don't post there... so aim me in the direction to post for you. I need the webpage address and forum you want posted in. I could give two shits less about a ban since I don't use the forum =o)
I don't post there... so aim me in the direction to post for you. I need the webpage address and forum you want posted in. I could give two shits less about a ban since I don't use the forum =o)
Flyboy80498
page 2 of this thread...where he quotes my response but you can also see he edited my reply. Seems like Ammo got banned for this so expect the same.
Why insult me? Can you find ANYWHERE on ANY page where I've EVER insulted ANYONE for what they like? I play FM4. I like that as well. I also happen to like FM5. Get over it.
If you don't, then find one you do like and play it. Don't insult me though.
Flyboy80498
PS: I don't like your insinuations in that lousy 4 sentence insult. I have learned the tracks from FM4. I knew there was a reason I quit playing online, it was to stay away from jerks like you.
I'm not sure how that was insulting but OK.
But to answer your question yes I do find YOUR post that I quoted borderline insulting to the many members who want but are missing the community building features..
I dont think Flyboy was being insulting in anyway of his opinion on the game.....actualy he is pretty spot on with alot of his points.....
Keep it civil lads. No need for the agro.
My take on forza.
I think it maybe heavily tainted by the fact most of us are forced to play the single player in order to earn some cash, of course with that comes the drivertards. Those infuriating little bastards have caused me to take evasive action, sliding off into a barrier numerous times. Don't even get me started on that top gear track session at the start! but at the moment the game is seriously lacking in functions!
The mechanics are nearly identical, but the cars are way looser now and with even less grip than before (a ferrari on road tyres spins at 40mph without throttle LOL)
Tuning is a pain in the ass now, you can't quickly hop into a car and tune it up ready. You have to spend time adjust the oversteer or catastrophic understeer out of cars, it really does require some work to get cars to handle semi decently on race slicks.
I'm working on a bmw m3 to understand the tuning tricks, however i seem to run out of enthusiasm..
WHOA, WHOA, WHOA?!!!
Cars are WAY looser?!?!
WTF is this I keep hearing about improved "physics" then?
I wonder how many people claiming "improved physics" have ever driven a real car on real race tires in real competition.
How loose cars are in FM4 was my only complaint about the game. In fact it's complete BS. I've since gotten used to it so it doesn't bother me so much but REAL race tires put power down WAY better than in FM4. How in the world more loose is better physics is beyond me.
From my point of view so far as a tuner,
The changes that I have made to the car's suspension can be felt more crisply. In FM4, changing parameters then test driving it seemed like trying to read the signs through a forg; you could feel it, but only vague kind of way. In FM5, I can feel the before/after difference more discretely and can tell which I preferred.
I think much of a car's feel comes from the tire simulation. The feel of weight, for example, comes from how the car responds to the inputs as well as how the car slides on track. The tire response is smoother, feedback is good, and the traction above 100% grip level "feels" . . . organic? How does one describe such thing?
IndyCar at Indianapolis can be taken around the whole track 100% full throttle. I would consider that grippy. E21 has such an amazing amount of grip that you really have to have faith when you enter Eau Rouge that the car will hold the line.
But, loose is not same as slippery. I find the cars more slippery (this is a racing condition) but not loose (this is a set-up condition). The set-ups that worked in FM4 may not work in FM5. After achieving level 25 affinity on Mazda MX-5, I am still tuning it and continue to find new settings that improves grip and stability. For example, I had trouble taking the double apex right hander at Yas Marina. Just could not take it at full throttle then brake with confidence. This issue was correctable. The spring rate changes of 25 lb/in was evident so I was able to tell "too stiff" from "too soft" then settle on just right. Same with the differentials.
It feels like somebody just walked up to me and gave me a pair of glasses.
So far, I enjoy the drive/tuning very much.
well looks like this is T-10 own "Horizon", with tuning. great single player game? Yep this version is only put out there for the casual player that doesn't get envolved with in organized racing much. They will do the public lobbies until the timmys ram and crash them and then they will put the game up and not play again or go back to single player.
The whole DLC thing is not bad but T-10 has shown that it can't be trusted to give us what we would like but what they want to turn loose to us. Tracks? The "ring" is supposed to show up in Jan. I wouldn't hold my breath. Hope it does :fingerscrossed:
I am not going to get this version right now. I am going to wait to see what the DLC's are going to be. Maybe in a year. Going to look into a ps3 and GT for now.
I can vouch that this isn't even for the casual player. I'm a casual player and with VIP I get 30k after each race. Some of the cars I want are between 3 to 5 million. Sorry T10 I didn't buy the X1 just to play your damn econimic simulator. I have other games too and a life. I was pumped looking forward to F5 after I really got started in the series in F4. What a big let down, online comunity basically stripped. But per their interview that was to make our lives easier since it was such a hassle keeping up with your storefronts.
I bought Assassin's Creed so I'm enjoying that. Looking forward to some of the other games that are coming for the X1. I think though that once I finish off racing the league races I'm done with Forza. Looks like I will be building a new pc so I can do some racing on iracing and AC. I think they really shot themselves in the foot for anyone who has played this series prior to F5. They basically turned their backs on a large part of the comunity and with that dumbass interview slapped everyone too.
This
http://www.teamvvv.com/en/news/comments/Forza-5s-monetisation-is-a-monum...
Seems all a little too much, as a fellow PC racer said "...and I thought iRacing was expensive" This whole DLC thing is out of control. As for the comparison between the preview and the launch graphics...
A year ago I was looking forward to F5 and the One, then over that year I saw more and more that disturbed me, average console hardware specs, the kinect...then F5, less tracks, more DLC and none of the stuff we were expecting to be added.
The Golden Goose is not looking at all well.
flyboy this game was made just for you...the casual racer that doesn't join in organized racing, the one that does not spend 4-6 hours a night racing with friends, tuning, painting and just practicing a line at the next track to be run.
That is not a knock on you. that is what you like to do. This version is made for you and those like you. I'm glad you like it.gif "1")
The Forza faithful got ripped off. The comparison to F2 is laughable. Don't care what was then, this is now and to cut content was wrong on T-10s part..gif "75")
Jimmy....And that 'Ol School called me a Forza Hater...Shame 'Ol School...Shame!...
P.(ARCELL)S.......HO HO HOOOOOO....MERRY CHRISTMAS....GT 6 is Coming!!!!
You are absolutely right when you say I am not that guy who spends 4 - 6 hours each night in organized races. I am not that versed in tuning cars, I am not a painter, nor do I have the patience to run a line over and over again just to perfect it. I will freely admit I am the casual racer who likes to race casually with friends here and there.
That's why you'll see me pop in and out of here from time to time, and then disappear for awhile while the new fangled game has my attention. I have gamer ADD. Unless it is
1) Mass Effect 1, 2 or 3
2) Assassin's Creed Series
3) Fallout 3 or New Vegas
4) Borderlands 1 or 2
I simply can't stay attached to the game past the first (possibly second time, if it is GOTY material) time I beat it. That's not to say I won't go back to a game after I've beaten whatever newest game is out. I do all the time during the lulls in between releases of games I like. Forza tends to be that goto title for me. But I don't spend enough time with it to be called the hardcore racer. I will never be a hardcore racer because I don't understand the first thing about tuning. Nor is my painting skills above drawing a stick figure. But I throughly enjoy the competition when it suits my fancy =o)
I can completely understand why the 'hardcore' fan feels left out after some of you explained it to me in a logical, non yelling manner.
As of right now though... Forza 5 and Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag look to be my 'go to's' for the XBox One until the mass exodus of games get released sometime in the future. I can say this for certain: I enjoy Forza 5 WAY more than I enjoy NFS: Rivals.
Flyboy80498
PS: I hope something is released soon for the XBox One for you hardcore racing fans. I hope you're not stuck with simulation racing with Forza 5 if you don't enjoy it. No one wins when a game isn't enjoyable by casual and hardcore fans alike.
This thread is making me happy that I will be buying my son an Xbox 360 of his own (3rd one in the house) rather than buying 1 new Xbox One. Fuck that taking over my Cable bullshit, my cable box does the same thing (it's called a remote), I just can't talk to it, WHOOPDEEEFRICKENDOO! And the non sense that T10 is doing, Fuck that. The next NEXTGEN console I will purchase is the Playstation. Xbox1 = Total entertainment takeover. Playstation4 is about the gamer, that's what Sony was shooting for and that's what I want dammit. I've got almost 10 years on XBL straight, so no one can say I'm not an Xbox fan. But with this new console, they lost me. When my 360 gets old and grey (Like Jimmee.gif "20")
) I'll be purchasing a SONY product.
P.S. I just thought of something: 10 Years XBL tenure with average $60 per year or more = $600 + my cable internet bill. JUST TO PLAY ONLINE!!!!!!!! MAKE XBL FREE!!!!! Money hungry FUCKS!!
End Rage.......
Captain....Doesn't Make You Feel Good to Vent?...Believe Me It Is Healthy..Besides It Gives others another insight into making a decision about a product that they may be on the fence in buying....I just don't like it when corporations try to cattle shute you into buying their totally inferior product...With the blessings of certain world wide media....Just read the article about before and after pictures of graphics at E3..Veni Vidi Vici-Sim Racing News...The difference is day and night and so was the processor...http://www.teamvvv.com/en/news/comments/Forza-5s-graphics-downgraded-fro... like a dummy down end product....At least to someone like me!..Personal Opinion of Course.
you do realize Sony is now pay to play online too, right? PSN+ is $50 a year and you need it on PS4.
I really think if you gave it a try, you may feel differently about the One. This seems pretty knee-jerk reaction to not wanting to use it to watch TV through, which is an additional feature (not a focus). I don't and will never hook my cable box to it because I have a Tivo and that wouldn't work well - plus my wife wouldn't want to use the Xbox for TV. However, the box is great besides that, so far. It's truly next-gen feel.
Most of the XBone rage in here is about the Forza game, just so happens you have to buy the XBone to play it. If Forza 5 was what we were hoping it would be, it'd be a lot more positive in general.
It's not.
I REALY hope that folks didn't expect Forza 5 to be released on XBox 360 along with the XBox One. Microsoft made Forza 5, along with a couple games, their premier launch games. Microsoft wanted a hook to get gamers to buy the system. What better way than entice a rabid fan base with Forza 5?
Speaking of launch games. We have to put Forza 5 in to perspective. No launch title (save for Halo: Combat Evolved) has been outstandingly awesome. I can't think of one launch title, except Halo, that's a classic for either the PS, PS2, PS3, XBox, or XBox 360. Launch titles tend to me middling, mediocore games ranging from 6's to 7.5's. Rarely do we ever get the 9 or 10 rated launch title. I don't understand why anyone thought that Forza would be any different.
I've played most everything (except for a few sports games, and they are on the way from Gamefly right now. I won't be doing the excercize crap either.) that has been released for the XBox On CoD: Ghost is good, not great. I haven't been a fan of the series because of my past (100% Disabled US Air Force Veteran here) though. Battlefield 4 I hated on the XBox 360, so that wasn't an option for the XBox One. Forza 5 is good, I like it. I can see why others don't. NFS: Rivals is a rehash of other NFS games with better graphics. Ryse is good. It's what is expected from a launch title. Short, great graphics, decent story line. It'll be forgotten in a few months. Madden 25 is good. Nothing spectacular, updated graphics. Go figure. LEGO: SMH's is good. Nothing really updated from the 360 version though. My point here is this: I haven't seen an awesome instant classic yet. And to think that Forza 5 was going to fit in or be close to that, is unreasonable at best for a launch title.
The problem is this for launch titles: Hardware specs aren't nailed down until the last second. So developers really don't know what they are working with until the last second, and they are up against a hard deadline if they are to be a Day One Launch title. And Microsoft pimped Forza 5 as just that. It would have been a massive failure if Turn 10 delayed Forza 5 for any reason. So, Turn 10 was placed in a tough spot. And for what they were up against, I think they put out a decent game that'll be forgotten once Forza 6 is announced in a year... or two. Then you will get to see the true beauty that Turn 10 can do for hardcore Forza fans.
What makes you think anyone expected F5 to come out on the 360? It was always a Bone release, the things about it that disapoint have nothing to do with the problems of being first out the box, Forza has been a flagship game since Forza one and they managed the switch from the first xbox to the second just fine. This release is weak, it ignored what people have been asking for, took away much of what made it good and added stuff that makes life hard for clubs like this to function. Just because it is on new hardware is no excuse, it's coded first on PC and then ported, they started work long before the Bone hardware was set in stone, they started as soon as they finished Forza 4, so there are no excuses.
I'm glad you like it, but your assertion it's problems are related to it being a launch title just dont hold water.
OK. I respect your opinion on the matter. =o)
Well that didn’t take much effort…just been banned from the Forza forums till the year 2165.
I don’t give a shit about the ban but the way it went down was disappointing. I was debating with the Mod “TG Wormburner” in the “interesting article – just providing insight” thread, page 2. Seems he didn’t take kindly to one of Parcells typical sarcastic/logical replies. He quoted one of my responses, having edited the part that sort of poked fun at him which skewed my overall message and then he asked me a couple of questions regarding my feedback. But before I had the chance to respond he banned me. He clearly couldn’t handle the wrath of Parcells.
Therefore I have a small request for anyone willing to deliver a message for me. Fair warning, you could get banned because of it so I understand if you want no part of it…I’m thinking this is a perfect job for POIDSLY. J
Could someone please send wormburner a PM for me telling him that Parcells feels bad about not getting the opportunity to respond to his latest post because of a ban and to send him my response…below in quotes.
OR maybe if someone could just go into the thread, quote TG Wormburner’s reply to my post (the one where he edited it) and respond with…”Parcells feels bad about not replying to your query. It seems someone banned him from this site before he had the opportunity to respond.”
“Harder to make my point after you’ve edited my response but I’ll give it a go anyway.
“Why would it be odd?” Because it seems like a very odd thing to love which is why I suggested sarcasm tags. That said I believe the point you were trying to make is why should we care about feedback from people who’ve never played the game. If someone who hasn’t played the game was providing feedback on game physics sure that makes perfect sense but we’re talking about feedback on a game feature (tokens to buy cars) that people have read about and are able to form an opinion on without actually playing. Unless everything we’ve been reading about tokens is a lie surely you do not have to play the game to provide feedback on this particular feature?
“If you had actually played the game (he hasn't) you would know that they aren't necessary and that a Play 2 Win model isn't even in the game.” I assume that’s a typo and you meant “pay to play”. Again I fully understand that tokens are not necessary (still not having played the game – look at me go) but that doesn’t make your statement any less odd to me. Slightly side tracked here – are you really saying a “pay to play” model is not in this game? If that’s the case I clearly do not understand what “pay to play” means and I’m sorry for wasting your time. Regardless I do understand how these tokens work and totally agree they are 100% optional and not needed to fully enjoy the game.
“This blowback never happened in FM4 or Horizon and the cars are even CHEAPER than they were in those games and there were still tokens there.” That’s because in FM4 and Horizon the amount of real currency required to purchase in game cars was “reasonable” which it certainly is not in FM5.”
Parcells I will aid you in your time of need my friend. Fuck them and the ban hammer!!!
Done and done, just posted and now awaiting the fury of the mighty WORM!!!
ADawg...Just Looked...I Believed They Banned You before your response was ever posted...Say It Isn't So...2 Daz Boots!!!
I think we need to face facts here. M$ and Turn 10 have conceded the hardcore folks to Gran Turismo and/or the PC (rFactor, iRacing, Assetto Corsa, etc.) They started in Forza 4 and have continued the trend with Forza 5. And, to be candid, why wouldn't they? The reality is that the PC is just better for sim racing. There is no way around that. No matter what you look at, the PC is better for the hardcore guys like all of us. And yes, we all are hardcore sim racers. Gran Turismo is still holding on, but it also is aiming more and more to the casual racer.
You can build a decent gaming PC and get up and running with iRacing, rFactor, Assetto Corsa and/or F1 2013 for less than what you will spend on an Xbox One and Forza 5. And, you will get a better community and sim racing experience. Gran Turismo 6 is even cheaper, as you only need a PS3 and the game.
I need to read up on recent posts, but different question:
How do I get the Day One Car Pack for downloading it day one (two weeks)? I didn't see the three cars anywhere, but maybe I just didn't notice.
Parcells,
I don't post there... so aim me in the direction to post for you. I need the webpage address and forum you want posted in. I could give two shits less about a ban since I don't use the forum =o)
Flyboy80498
page 2 of this thread...where he quotes my response but you can also see he edited my reply. Seems like Ammo got banned for this so expect the same.
http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/4/6281450/ShowThread.aspx