Speaking as someone who went from the PS2 to the XBOX 360, if the next gen of XBOX is Always-on and the next gen of Playstation is not then I'll be happily going back to Sony.
Speaking as someone who went from the PS2 to the XBOX 360, if the next gen of XBOX is Always-on and the next gen of Playstation is not then I'll be happily going back to Sony.
Same here. Someone mentioned above that since we all own the 360 then we'll purchase the 720 (or whatever m$ decideds to call it). On the contrary. I ditched Sony for m$ mainly due to the price and horrible online service Sony had at ps3's launch. I will have no qualms in allowing my live subscription to run out and return to the ps4. I'm not loyal to a company. I choose which company offers me the best incentives and stick with them until either the circumstances change or a better deal is offered.
Speaking as someone who went from the PS2 to the XBOX 360, if the next gen of XBOX is Always-on and the next gen of Playstation is not then I'll be happily going back to Sony.
Same here. Someone mentioned above that since we all own the 360 then we'll purchase the 720 (or whatever m$ decideds to call it). On the contrary. I ditched Sony for m$ mainly due to the price and horrible online service Sony had at ps3's launch. I will have no qualms in allowing my live subscription to run out and return to the ps4. I'm not loyal to a company. I choose which company offers me the best incentives and stick with them until either the circumstances change or a better deal is offered.
This is exactly how I ended up with a 360 over the ps3 in the beginning. ( I now have both), But I waited 2 years before getting the 360, and I only have the PS3 for about a year and a half now.
I guess the point im trying to make is, I can wait to see which system I`m going to purchase. It`s not like when the next gen systems are released the current ones will be obsolete. As a consumer I`ll go with who offers me the best deal/games/choices etc.
And my PC can handle all new releases, cause I built this beast to last, so if next gen is always on I`ll just stick with PC cause broadband is not reliable enough here for that shite, and PC`s can be modded easily to avoid that crap (I`m not condoning modding or hacking in any form, but if a game needs always-on connection and you dont have one, then sometimes you need to do shit to enjoy your purchase).Once it can handle Battlefield 4 I`m happy.
all sounds like just one more step on the road to the consumer being squeezed to provide greater margins for less and less tangible products.
I can't however see myself jumping back to PC or to Sony, unless they seriously f##k up the hardware and subsequent Forza offering.
@church - I assume the drum and bass you referenced are respectively a brand of German rolling tobacco and a famous british pale ale. Otherwise this old git hasn't got a clue what you are on about ;)
all sounds like just one more step on the road to the consumer being squeezed to provide greater margins for less and less tangible products.
I can't however see myself jumping back to PC or to Sony, unless they seriously f##k up the hardware and subsequent Forza offering.
@church - I assume the drum and bass you referenced are respectively a brand of German rolling tobacco and a famous british pale ale. Otherwise this old git hasn't got a clue what you are on about ;)
This is the first rumor statement that's really hit me as being unbelievable, seems like this would just cost too much money to bother with and since it's a MINORITY of people who even bother with back compat, it's a needless expense.
The source also stated every VGLeaks article pertaining to the console’s specs so far has been true, and added that each new Xbox 720 rig will ship with an Xbox 360 SOC for backwards compatibility. The 360 chip-set is also said to boost the console’s overall speed and performance.
Running on windows8 RT saves them dev money and helps unify their platform, it also means that multi-platform releases on windows8 and xbox720 will be pretty easy aside from optimizing the controls and UI. But then the question has to be asked, why not just buy a PC. You can get a gaming laptop that'll match the xbox720's power and have it be able to do more stuff and be portable/play anywhere.
But then the question has to be asked, why not just buy a PC.
I ask myself that every time I plug my ecksbawks into the HDMI port on my PC monitor! But going back to my original thought process, the reason I got an Xbox was to play with a friend and I did not want to have to put something together, deal with OS issues, etc. I just wanted it to plug in and work. I would think that many people that go down that road are in the same boat.
As for the always online issue. That does not really bother me. My PC is always online and it is hard to imagine going back to a time that it was not that way. It's nice to have some programs update in the background, etc. I think if it is implemented in the right way and makes things better for the consumer then that will be great feature for us.
I think the problem people have is that they see this "always online" feature going down the wrong road. It is assumed that the only reason it is there is to benefit the "powers that be" and not to enhance the end user's experience with the product they paid $100s for. Developers have busted thier asses these past couple of years trying to chase down piracy, nickel and diming with DLC and microtransactions, online/season passes and have ended up alienating thier honest customers. Many see where they are headed and are rightfully concerned with the direction of gaming.
The other part about an always on Kinect is way too creepy. I dont want those cameras in my house. There is no reason for it and would be a deal killer for me plain and simple. I don't care how proud they are of that thing, it should always be optional. Might be a boon for the amateur porn industry though, lol.
I do wonder though if people on XBL with a 360 will still be able to play 360 games with someone on a 720. Providing the 720 is backwards compatible of course. If so I would probably skip the 720 at release as I still have a ton of 360 games to play.
This is the first rumor statement that's really hit me as being unbelievable, seems like this would just cost too much money to bother with and since it's a MINORITY of people who even bother with back compat, it's a needless expense.
The source also stated every VGLeaks article pertaining to the console’s specs so far has been true, and added that each new Xbox 720 rig will ship with an Xbox 360 SOC for backwards compatibility. The 360 chip-set is also said to boost the console’s overall speed and performance.
Running on windows8 RT saves them dev money and helps unify their platform, it also means that multi-platform releases on windows8 and xbox720 will be pretty easy aside from optimizing the controls and UI. But then the question has to be asked, why not just buy a PC. You can get a gaming laptop that'll match the xbox720's power and have it be able to do more stuff and be portable/play anywhere.
Umm, again, I'm a gear head, but can someone explain to me how an aditional outdated chipset would speed up a newer system? That's where my BS meter pegged...
Umm, again, I'm a gear head, but can someone explain to me how an aditional outdated chipset would speed up a newer system? That's where my BS meter pegged...
Say you want to bump the horsepower on your car but not do any engine work. You could bypass your belt driven fan and power steering pump in favor of electric driven pump/fan. Although you did not actually do any tuning, you reduced the load on the engine making use of it's power more effectivley.
But then the question has to be asked, why not just buy a PC.
Because then MS has complete control over hardware and software standards for the life of the product. That's what you need for stable product deployments. That's why consoles have succeeded against PCs for gaming. Believe me when I say the thing I like about my SURFACE RT is that I don't have to be as concerned about keepng it working as I do for my laptop. MS pretty much has to carry the blame if their stuff mucks up my equipment. PCs and gaming is not a place I want to go to ever again.
This is the first rumor statement that's really hit me as being unbelievable, seems like this would just cost too much money to bother with and since it's a MINORITY of people who even bother with back compat, it's a needless expense.
The source also stated every VGLeaks article pertaining to the console’s specs so far has been true, and added that each new Xbox 720 rig will ship with an Xbox 360 SOC for backwards compatibility. The 360 chip-set is also said to boost the console’s overall speed and performance.
Running on windows8 RT saves them dev money and helps unify their platform, it also means that multi-platform releases on windows8 and xbox720 will be pretty easy aside from optimizing the controls and UI. But then the question has to be asked, why not just buy a PC. You can get a gaming laptop that'll match the xbox720's power and have it be able to do more stuff and be portable/play anywhere.
It seems like you made up your mind a long time ago. You won't be happy unless it's a glorified PC, but then you'd just play PC anyway. I feel like your opinion is moot.
I think this embedded SOC chip thing is getting jumbled up with the rumor of a cheap $99 xbox 360 that'll be available at launch. I just can't see this thing going into a 720, whole new GPU totally different CPU architecture... just move forward and don't cater to the past generation is my opinion.
At this point i'm only advocating that unlike when the 360 launched there wasn't a lot of choice. This time though, there's tons of other viable options. I haven't made up my mind, i'm still sitting on the fence until E3 probably. But I have played more PC games in the past year than I have in the past 10 before it (which was zero). MIcrosoft will need to sell me on their next system, unlike when the 360 came out and it wsa simply a must buy, zero consideration or hesitation. That's not how it is this time around. I know what I want out of this next generation of console and if Microsoft dosn't make any moves to support those types of games, then i'm not buying for another 5-8 years.
PC v Xbox. I just do both because some of my friends play Forza and the others play PC.
720 v PS4. I will more than likely just buy both again and play what I choose.
I know its easy said than done but that's my plan.
Also in regards to PC gaming v Xbox sect the reason why I thinks the console's win is due to ease of use. Turn tv on, turn console on, play.
Although personally I enjoy spending a night setting up a PC game correctly.
I'm with you. I cannot imagine going solely PC or solely console...I have never really left PC gaming and I can't imagine I will soon. PC just performs better for some game types and console for others for me specifically. I'm sure I'll have all 3 options, and it wouldnt surprise me if I didnt also have whatever the new Nintendo iteration is down the road also...
I think they will do a light to medium amount of info on the nextbox and then throw out some of the big Developers working on the games for it.
Then at E3 you will have final details for everything in the nextbox with a bigger look at all the games that are going to be available for it.
I agree. Start with a presser much like the PS4 presser, just more microsofty. Then pull out the big guns for E3, follow with they hype train into launch.
The E3 press conferences could be very entertaining this year.
Always on doesn't necessarily HAVE to be a bad thing.... but Microsoft has their bottom line as the priority not gamers pretty much like every other game developer these days. So i feel like it WILL be a bad thing LoL...
When was the last time you checked system requirements when considering purchasing an Xbox 360 exclusive? For a console several years old, that's an advantage.
Always-on is something I'm against. I feel that consumers should be presented with an amazing set of online features and capabilities that they absolutely crave. They subscribe to Xbox Live, and use those. Those who cannot access the Internet, even temporarily, can still enjoy their console and games. It's better to have impressive options than force something that will not allow the customers to use the product.
We've seen Xbox Live have maintenance, down for hours for outtages, would Microsoft really make it so nobody in the world can play games on their console for hours? I don't think they'd be comfortable with that.
Personally, I travel a fair amount and the hotels and places I stay don't always have Internet, sometimes it's spotty wireless, and most frequently it requires payment to use. I'd be bringing my Xbox 360 despite owning an Xbox because the always online would make the newer console unusable. I've even had the Xbox 360 set up so that others could play games in the backseat of my SUV on long road trips. I've played games in airport terminals, but never Halo. I didn't want people to look at me oddly if the announcer said "Bomb Armed!"
What I'm expecting out of this new console:
Destiny is a timed exclusive for Microsoft
Partnership with Samsung for inexpensive, spherical pico projectors for the Illumiroom feature
Call of Duty: Ghosts timed DLC deal
Fable MMO
Television deals to let the Xbox be the set top box
Interactive content from Xbox added to TV shows from cable provider
Xbox specific movie and series content
Smartglass goes from a testbed app to impressive addon to Xbox
Windows 8 style backup and recovery if not interface
Backwards Compatibility through hardware
Automatic syncing of Xbox 360 content and details upon existing Gamertag sign-in on new Xbox (Similar to Windows 8 login anywhere syncs)
A 400 dollar price point maximum for the full console
Optional online, not always online, otherwise users would be forced to pay for Xbox Live or there would be a new free tier
Further integration of Windows 8 devices and Xbox consoles (W8 send to xbox button in video player is an early feature)
Ustream will be on Xbox
Two SKUs at most at launch
Vast cloud tech integration and possibly game streaming in line with Microsoft's previous acquisitions
I think the event in May will show the console itself, and a few key games and developers, while also showing tech features (not tech demos) and services partnerships. E3 is three weeks after that, and this timing is so consumers think of Xbox as "that console everyone's been talking about for over a month now" E3 will see much more game centric reveals and exclusive deals for gaming.
Microsoft doesn't WANT you to use your headset ... that's why you need kinect lol....
Speaking as someone who went from the PS2 to the XBOX 360, if the next gen of XBOX is Always-on and the next gen of Playstation is not then I'll be happily going back to Sony.
Same here. Someone mentioned above that since we all own the 360 then we'll purchase the 720 (or whatever m$ decideds to call it). On the contrary. I ditched Sony for m$ mainly due to the price and horrible online service Sony had at ps3's launch. I will have no qualms in allowing my live subscription to run out and return to the ps4. I'm not loyal to a company. I choose which company offers me the best incentives and stick with them until either the circumstances change or a better deal is offered.
This is exactly how I ended up with a 360 over the ps3 in the beginning. ( I now have both), But I waited 2 years before getting the 360, and I only have the PS3 for about a year and a half now.
I guess the point im trying to make is, I can wait to see which system I`m going to purchase. It`s not like when the next gen systems are released the current ones will be obsolete. As a consumer I`ll go with who offers me the best deal/games/choices etc.
And my PC can handle all new releases, cause I built this beast to last, so if next gen is always on I`ll just stick with PC cause broadband is not reliable enough here for that shite, and PC`s can be modded easily to avoid that crap (I`m not condoning modding or hacking in any form, but if a game needs always-on connection and you dont have one, then sometimes you need to do shit to enjoy your purchase).Once it can handle Battlefield 4 I`m happy.
all sounds like just one more step on the road to the consumer being squeezed to provide greater margins for less and less tangible products.
I can't however see myself jumping back to PC or to Sony, unless they seriously f##k up the hardware and subsequent Forza offering.
@church - I assume the drum and bass you referenced are respectively a brand of German rolling tobacco and a famous british pale ale. Otherwise this old git hasn't got a clue what you are on about ;)
if the 720 doesn't release with Forza 5 I'll be waiting...and reading...
I think Microsoft has proven they can work on stuff after launch...
Here's another article from VG 24/7. http://www.vg247.com/2013/04/17/xbox-720-not-always-online-runs-on-full-windows-8-inside-source-claims/
This is the first rumor statement that's really hit me as being unbelievable, seems like this would just cost too much money to bother with and since it's a MINORITY of people who even bother with back compat, it's a needless expense.
Running on windows8 RT saves them dev money and helps unify their platform, it also means that multi-platform releases on windows8 and xbox720 will be pretty easy aside from optimizing the controls and UI. But then the question has to be asked, why not just buy a PC. You can get a gaming laptop that'll match the xbox720's power and have it be able to do more stuff and be portable/play anywhere.
I ask myself that every time I plug my ecksbawks into the HDMI port on my PC monitor! But going back to my original thought process, the reason I got an Xbox was to play with a friend and I did not want to have to put something together, deal with OS issues, etc. I just wanted it to plug in and work. I would think that many people that go down that road are in the same boat.
As for the always online issue. That does not really bother me. My PC is always online and it is hard to imagine going back to a time that it was not that way. It's nice to have some programs update in the background, etc. I think if it is implemented in the right way and makes things better for the consumer then that will be great feature for us.
I think the problem people have is that they see this "always online" feature going down the wrong road. It is assumed that the only reason it is there is to benefit the "powers that be" and not to enhance the end user's experience with the product they paid $100s for. Developers have busted thier asses these past couple of years trying to chase down piracy, nickel and diming with DLC and microtransactions, online/season passes and have ended up alienating thier honest customers. Many see where they are headed and are rightfully concerned with the direction of gaming.
The other part about an always on Kinect is way too creepy. I dont want those cameras in my house. There is no reason for it and would be a deal killer for me plain and simple. I don't care how proud they are of that thing, it should always be optional. Might be a boon for the amateur porn industry though, lol.
I do wonder though if people on XBL with a 360 will still be able to play 360 games with someone on a 720. Providing the 720 is backwards compatible of course. If so I would probably skip the 720 at release as I still have a ton of 360 games to play.
Umm, again, I'm a gear head, but can someone explain to me how an aditional outdated chipset would speed up a newer system? That's where my BS meter pegged...
Say you want to bump the horsepower on your car but not do any engine work. You could bypass your belt driven fan and power steering pump in favor of electric driven pump/fan. Although you did not actually do any tuning, you reduced the load on the engine making use of it's power more effectivley.
It seems like you made up your mind a long time ago. You won't be happy unless it's a glorified PC, but then you'd just play PC anyway. I feel like your opinion is moot.
Not only laptop tank, for a little more money a tablet.
I think this embedded SOC chip thing is getting jumbled up with the rumor of a cheap $99 xbox 360 that'll be available at launch. I just can't see this thing going into a 720, whole new GPU totally different CPU architecture... just move forward and don't cater to the past generation is my opinion.
Most pC systems, if you introduce older architechture you create a bottleneck though?
At this point i'm only advocating that unlike when the 360 launched there wasn't a lot of choice. This time though, there's tons of other viable options. I haven't made up my mind, i'm still sitting on the fence until E3 probably. But I have played more PC games in the past year than I have in the past 10 before it (which was zero). MIcrosoft will need to sell me on their next system, unlike when the 360 came out and it wsa simply a must buy, zero consideration or hesitation. That's not how it is this time around. I know what I want out of this next generation of console and if Microsoft dosn't make any moves to support those types of games, then i'm not buying for another 5-8 years.
PC v Xbox. I just do both because some of my friends play Forza and the others play PC.
720 v PS4. I will more than likely just buy both again and play what I choose.
I know its easy said than done but that's my plan.
Also in regards to PC gaming v Xbox sect the reason why I thinks the console's win is due to ease of use. Turn tv on, turn console on, play.
Although personally I enjoy spending a night setting up a PC game correctly.
I'm with you. I cannot imagine going solely PC or solely console...I have never really left PC gaming and I can't imagine I will soon. PC just performs better for some game types and console for others for me specifically. I'm sure I'll have all 3 options, and it wouldnt surprise me if I didnt also have whatever the new Nintendo iteration is down the road also...
I've never felt the need for more than one console, and I have needs for a PC beyond gaming soooo.....
it's official now. http://majornelson.com/2013/04/24/xboxreveal/
Will be home from work to watch it at 5pm :-)
Sounds like the announcement is almost going to be split into two parts, part of it on May 21st and the rest at E3.
I think they will do a light to medium amount of info on the nextbox and then throw out some of the big Developers working on the games for it.
Then at E3 you will have final details for everything in the nextbox with a bigger look at all the games that are going to be available for it.
I agree. Start with a presser much like the PS4 presser, just more microsofty. Then pull out the big guns for E3, follow with they hype train into launch.
The E3 press conferences could be very entertaining this year.
Always on doesn't necessarily HAVE to be a bad thing.... but Microsoft has their bottom line as the priority not gamers pretty much like every other game developer these days. So i feel like it WILL be a bad thing LoL...
Master Chief and the Halo 4 Warthog were out and about today too. Coincidence? I think not. https://twitter.com/HaloWaypoint/status/326806240187518976/photo/1
When was the last time you checked system requirements when considering purchasing an Xbox 360 exclusive? For a console several years old, that's an advantage.
Always-on is something I'm against. I feel that consumers should be presented with an amazing set of online features and capabilities that they absolutely crave. They subscribe to Xbox Live, and use those. Those who cannot access the Internet, even temporarily, can still enjoy their console and games. It's better to have impressive options than force something that will not allow the customers to use the product.
We've seen Xbox Live have maintenance, down for hours for outtages, would Microsoft really make it so nobody in the world can play games on their console for hours? I don't think they'd be comfortable with that.
Personally, I travel a fair amount and the hotels and places I stay don't always have Internet, sometimes it's spotty wireless, and most frequently it requires payment to use. I'd be bringing my Xbox 360 despite owning an Xbox because the always online would make the newer console unusable. I've even had the Xbox 360 set up so that others could play games in the backseat of my SUV on long road trips. I've played games in airport terminals, but never Halo. I didn't want people to look at me oddly if the announcer said "Bomb Armed!"
What I'm expecting out of this new console:
I think the event in May will show the console itself, and a few key games and developers, while also showing tech features (not tech demos) and services partnerships. E3 is three weeks after that, and this timing is so consumers think of Xbox as "that console everyone's been talking about for over a month now" E3 will see much more game centric reveals and exclusive deals for gaming.
Just an overview of what I'm thinking here.