Xbox One unveiled on May 21
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Mon, 04/08/2013 - 14:40
Xbox One unveiled on May 21
It has been been postponed from April debut to May 21 and will have hands on at E3 in June. Will be released to populace later in year. Rumered price of new Xbox 720 is $500 with a $300 year MS subscription. Does that include games? Doubt it. Hmmm ...maybe I will move back to PC gaming.
Mod Note: LB adjusted intial topic to better reflect the current name.
everyones saying that the NeXtBoX will lock you out of your games if you dont have a constant internet connection, for me this is a complete deal breaker. if this is true i guess im going to go back to tabletop wargames.
Yeah, it was the creative director for Xbox, he was a huge douche to people, and told them to get over it. When asked what about ppl not living in big cities with some small town examples, he responded by saying why the hell would he even want to live there, those ppl need to get with the times, it's called the internet and it's awesome. He's since had to apologize and he deleted his LinkedIn account today as well. Some other stuff he said was that he has spotty cell phone reception, but that didn't stop him from buying a cell phone. Also that his electricity goes out, that doesn't mean he's not going to buy a vacuum.
Here's an article that cover most of what happened on huffington post.
A series of pointed tweets by Microsoft Studios Creative Director Adam Orth set off a chain reaction of gamer fury on Thursday, and fueled speculation that Microsoft's next console system will require a constant Internet connection to play.
Orth, who is one of the top brass at the company's Xbox and Microsoft gaming arm and who no longer tweets publicly, reportedly wrote that he "doesn't get the drama around having an 'always-on' console," since many devices currently on the market are always connected to the Internet. Manveer Heir, a friend of Orth's and gameplay designer at BioWare, posited that such standards of Internet access might not fly in less-connected areas.
That's where things got ugly. Rather than empathize with the consumer, Orth cracked wise about "non-cities" (his words), writing, "why on earth would I live there?"
It's one thing to have a spirited disagreement about console design and digital rights management strategies, but hitting people where they live probably won't help Microsoft move any next-gen consoles.
Screen captures of Orth's banter with Heir and others were posted to Reddit and various message boards, where the ire towards the Microsoft senior employee festered.
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Kotaku questioned the logic of Orth's discussion of on always-online designs, given his position at Microsoft, a company does not comment on its products prior to official announcements.
But even if Orth's opinions suggest that the next-gen Xbox will feature an always-online design, the issue isn't nearly as toxic (from a sales perspective) as anti-digital rights management (DRM) rhetoric suggests. Despite the deluge of gripes over required Internet connection, and various problems caused by it, titles like "SimCity" and "Diablo III" were bona fide hits. The former sold 1.1 million copies in the two weeks following its problem-plagued launch. The latter sold 3.5 million copies in 24 hours when it was released last year.
Still, not every console maker is jumping on the always-online bandwagon. Sony has announced that its next-gen Playstation won't include the feature. Android-based startup console Ouya, a willfully hackable platform, has positioned itself definitionally against DRM.
But since Microsoft is the leader in console gaming, it could be that its bandwagon is built for one. It remains to be seen if gamers will put their money where their opinions are.
un-fucking-believable! how is this douchebag not fired yet?
This can't be for real?
Ps4 here I come.
There are rumored to be two SKUs, the $500 regular one and the same one for $300 that comes with a similar subscription model as the current $99 xbox 360. Basically you have to agree to pay for two years of Live.
Also there were rumors of a lower end streaming media focused SKU but rumors have that one being canned for 720 launch. Also there are rumors that a new 360 will be launched around the same time that'll be deeply discounted, probably $99 out the door, no subscription.
I don't have a problem with the always on idea , it just depends on what it's going to be used for. If it's going to be used to kill the used game market which means i can't get any money back on games to buy new games with, then i'm definitly out. I'm already leaning towards ditching console gaming this year as it is, tha'tll just seal the deal for me to go back to PC gaming.
We could do with a few more PC groups on here
PC is already bought and built. I just did not like the direction M$ has been moving over the last couple years.
- I don't mind price. Think its worth it. If I pay 700 bucks for a stupid Ipad for my wife, why should it hurt to pay $500 bucks for a console? I use that shit to death, playing movies, playing youtube, games, and other things.
What is a killer for me is that it always has to be online? Is this true? Sometimes I go to places where theres no internet conection and I just want to play RPG's or the campaign of a FPS. Why the fuck would I need internet to do that? Thats just freakin stupid.
Tbh in the next 5 years every game will be online only for the DRM.
Alot of PC games are already going that way. Let's just hope the systems are better than sim city's
See? This is why they are able to get away with this bullshit. Because people just accept the industry's blatant money grabbing shenanigans instead of doing something about it. All it would take is for customers to stop buying the games/consoles that they claim they will to bring the gaming industry to it's knees.
Nobody likes the always on Xbox idea or the used game DRM so simply don't buy the console. Let it sit on the shelf and I guarantee you that Micro$oft will take notice and cut out the shit.
We as gamers are at the brink of no return. All of these companies are already eyeing mobile micro transaction games as the future due to their profit margins over the real video game development. If we as gamers allow these companies to force us to pay for map packs and take away ownership of our games we have only ourselves to blame. The only way to affect any sort of change in this industry is with our wallets.
Don't buy these new consoles, or any game that launches with a "Season pass" or is riddled with micro transactions and you'll see these companies change their tunes real quick.
DRM = Digital Rights Management BTW. Stops people from playing cracked games. Period
Got to love the list of main companies that use DRM. Sony, Microsoft, apple, EA, BBC, AOL, Amazon, at&t and that's it.
All upstanding fair companies eh?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management
Also rumored that Kinect will always need to be on and calibrated.
I think Sony said PS4 would not be always on. But if you wanted to be on they could do “cool” things like preload demos or games on your HD you might like based on the games you or your friends have been playing. They would also be able track your stats/habits in real time and patch games installed on the HD as a background operation. In other words if you’re always on they can better keep track of you and market the crap out you accordingly. I’d assume M$ is headed in a similar direction, just in a more mandatory, less gamer friendly fashion.
The more I hear about the new generation of consoles just makes me want to spend less money on this crap. This rant will probably make me sound like an old crotchety geezer. I'm not so naive as to think that the gaming industry has never been about making money. It's a business. Good for them for putting out product that gives such a large group of people something to enjoy. I also believe that capitalism and free enterprise is part of what has made our country so great (in the past). That being said, WTF is going on? Day one DLC , $15 tokens to play a used game, and publishers pumping out sequel after sequel like clockwork with more focus on profits than putting out NEW games. Here's one that I love, the major companies flood us with expensive DLCs (even if individual ones are inexpensive, go ahead and add them up) and when the gamers have had enough, enter season passes. I blame kids. More specifically, I blame adults who buy their kids whatever they point at in order to shut them up. Whatever, I lost my energy for this. This is why i've decided to go back to the PC. To hell with this bullshit.
This was Sony's response to a xbox staffer defending always online on twitter .
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Yeah, that's a fake twitter account.
Always on doesn't HAVE to be a bad thing, but it certainly can be made to be a bad thing. Microsot will no doubt take the path of what makes them the most money, not whats best for gamers.
I think it's interesting that at least the message from rumors is that this new system will be focused on games, not media and the other distractions of the 360. I was thinking if all i use my xbox for most of the time is streaming services, why do I need to upgrade to a 720, I can't imagine it'll run that stuff better than the 360 does now. So the only way to sell the 720 is to makke it a game machine and add the other distractions later.
Seems like back compat is being reported as not being a feature of the next system by a lot of places. It comes down to Sony isn't doing it and the chipset is x86 rather than PowerPC like the 360 so there's no way to do it without building a software emulator. Which is how they made the original xbox games 'work' on the 360 and we all know how shitty that was. So to me it sounds like no back compat is a done deal.
I live 15 minutes from town and my Internet goes down somewhat frequently, it went down this weekend in fact. I do one of three things on the console, I play online games, I play local games, and I watch streaming movies. If my internet connection was to go down, 2 out of those 3 would be effected now already. If it had a Blu Ray player in it which I'd like to think the new XBox will, then I might watch movies on it as well. Will those not function as well if you can't log in? I mean he's right in that my mobile phone is always connected to the Internet. I don't know how I feel about this at the moment, I *might* be ok with it. *might*. I mean being in the Internet industry my world stops when the Internet goes down now as it is. I might be forced to *gasp* go outside!
I'm more concerned about the kinect having to be on and calibrated. Anyone remember the movie Antitrust?
Is there any sources for the kinect thing?
Kinect 2.0 will be out with the next Xbox so unless my first version works with it they better start bundling everything altogether which been MS they won't do as they can earn more charging seperatly.
At this point still conjecture, speculation, and other types of allegedly meaningful guessing:
http://kotaku.com/5982986/we-know-all-about-the-next-xbox-from-someone-who-says-theyve-got-one
And there’s this bit of hype heavy guessing that says Kinect may give MS the ability to track people in the room and charge accordingly:
[url]http://kotaku.com/5958307/this-kinect-patent-is-terrifying-wants-to-char...
LOL!
I also wouldn't hold my breath for BR playback. I imagine it will be like the Wii U, a BR disc but no native playback abilities.
Pitchford, Molyneux, Moore and now Orth... All guys that believe they can shit on their customers. They are right because their customers keep paying.
I'm going to sound like a Xbox fan boy here but.
It has long been rumored that the PS4--along with Microsoft's rumored Xbox 720--will block secondhand titles in some fashion. Sony has evenapplied for a patent related to blocking used games. However, theanalyst consensus is that both platforms will play used games.
http://uk.gamespot.com/news/sony-on-ps4-used-games-we-are-going-to-do-the-right-thing-6404470
Also shall we not wait until the devices get released. Then talk about which one where getting?
Yeah Church, we're just talkin'. We're gamers who like to talk about gaming stuff. We're just shootin' the shit..gif "88")
What will ultimately drive me honestly is 1. what system everyone else is on and 2. how good the games are for that system. We'll just see!
My choice will be where Forza 5 lands. Yes i'm such a bitch.gif "2")
It’s odd, MS hasn’t revealed anything and yet my FL is pretty committed to the next xbox, that is assuming MS doesn’t go full out ridiculous. A couple might jump to PC. Almost no one is interested in Sony. We're like lemmings.
I think where everyone else goes is significant. I think MS might be expecting a substantial transfer rate from xbox 360 to xbox 720 because their online community, the largest among consoles, will simply follow their friends lists. Gives MS the power and the freedom to care less about what consumers want and to think more like Mr. Orth.
I think Sony caught MS offguard with their early PS4 announcement.
I also think the PS4 is less complicated featurewise, pretty much a consolized gaming PC.
However the nextbox/720 with Kinect 2.0, always connected, blu ray, media streaming, dvr, oculus rift type VR add on, etc, etc. is more of a jack of all trades Media center that plays games.
I'm not even sure MS can make an Xmas 2013 release because of all the untested features.
Even if Nxbox/720 does come out in time, it may be a glitchy piece of hardware prone to overheating and requiring weekly service patches like all the Windows OS have. I suspect it will even run some lightened version of Windows 8 AS the OS. what a great way to boost the slow Windows 8 adoption.
MS and Sony are businesses and the future will be in selling gaming/entertainment as a monthly Subscription Service, not as individual boxed AAA games.
Xbox Gold and PS Plus type subscription is where the consistent revenue stream is, not 3 or 4 $60 titles and some used games mainly in the fall and Xmas season.
I would REALLY caution folks not to rush and buy any Next Gen console on release, even if it comes bundled with some awesome title.
WAIT a month or at least 2 weeks to read all the reviews. $300 to $500 is not chump change to most people, and likely Next Gen AAA titles will run $70 or higher on top of that.
To be perfectly honest I do not have a problem with the always on thing, GIVEN the companies are set up to handle that load so my game play is not impeded. I do not torrent games, I have a reliable internet connection (well at least when my router does not freak out, but a quick power cycle a couple of times of week and I have no issues).
I understand and empathize with the people that are in a situation where that could prevent them from being able to play games (business/family travel, rural area with spotty interent or no internet), but just as when xbl first launched over the next 10 years those 2 examples should lessen (do to improved technology and availbility of better internet).
Now I undertand the assumption that MS and Sony are doing this to kill the used game market, but why would they want to "bite the hand that feeds them" so to speak. Amazon, BB and Game Stop are a huge segment of their direct purchasing partners (we are not, we are those Vendors money source) so why would they want to damage that business relationship and kill of used games. Yes I understand they do not get a percentage of the used game sales, but compared to the initial purchases it is a small amount of sales they are losing out on.
Now I can see this being used as a tool to negotiate with the used game retailers to leverage a way into getting a piece of the used game profit (give us (MS/Sony) a cut of the profit or we MIGHT enable this) but keep in mind IF this is true it is only on the next gen consoles which we probably will not see Next gen only games 6 months to a year after they launch.
Just playing devils advocate here and wanted to throw out other possibilites.
I agree with you Azure, that's the age old adage, if the majority aren't happy and the majority don't buy then the company has no choice but to do what the majority want. Unfortunately as we've seen many times before people are still going to buy it. The parents who don't game but their kids want the latest and greatest to be popular at school will buy it. And we are first and foremost gamers so if our friends are playing it like Snuphy said then we will probably buy it too. I honestly think our only hope is for a system that doesn't have that stuff to dominate that we can move to. But with the exception of Call of Duty there aren't any games that truly intrigue me on the PS3. Fortunately IIRC Destiny will be on PS* so those two games alone could convert me. I agree with whoever said they don't like the controller though, but I bet some 3rd party company will come out with a 360/720 like controller if that becomes a big enough issue.
Ya the gamers are as much to blame as the publishers/devs to the state of gaming. If we'd stop buying into this shit they'd have no choice but to comply with with what we want. Fact is the people who are vocal on forums are the minority. As Peter Moore said in hsi recent blog post about EA being the worst company in america, they can't be that bad if they're making millions and millions of dollars off their games that people are complaining about.
I for one am heading for a change though. I've personally had enough and the majority of my gaming is going to be PC based with free2play games. That way i'm not out 60 bucks and the game doesn't work for a week after launch due to server problems. Then if the game is actually WORTHY of my money, i'm happy to spend some money in the game's store. I still won't spend any more than 60 bucks but at least i feel like i'm giving them money because they're doing a good job. Not like it is now when i give them money and they shitin my hands and then ask for more.
I quit buying DLC since Halo 3. It just enfuriated me that games went on sale half done with a few shitty maps for you to play on and two months afterwards new DLC came out. It's just ridiculous.
Mostly kept to RPG games like Skyrim and Bioshock Infinite. FPS if you ask me are broken, specially Mutliplayer portion of the game.
The game that made me buy an Xbox was Halo. Plain and simple, the only reason I bought this console. I'm off halo, Halo4 was the last draw. Never bought the DLC, just worthless in my opinion.
Like many have said. We have options and right now and PC gaming looks like the best sincerely, from one gamer to another one. Consoles have turned a different role now a days, and I definitely don't like this direction.