I for one am heading for a change though. I've personally had enough and the majority of my gaming is going to be PC based with free2play games. That way i'm not out 60 bucks and the game doesn't work for a week after launch due to server problems. Then if the game is actually WORTHY of my money, i'm happy to spend some money in the game's store. I still won't spend any more than 60 bucks but at least i feel like i'm giving them money because they're doing a good job. Not like it is now when i give them money and they shitin my hands and then ask for more.
also we/public could be thinking about the always on thing incorrectly when it comes to games, if this Kotaku article sources are to be believed:
Quote:
In his portfolio, one designer talks about his efforts in the long-term Xbox roadmap during a 10-month period at Microsoft's incubatory teams, saying that "Microsoft needs to reposition the Xbox to serve an audience beyond traditional gamers." There are also a couple of presentation images, two of which mention something called "xTV." One alludes to "xTV incubation" in the corner, and the other mentions "xTV" as part of a multiplatform ecosystem that will allow a user to finish a television episode they were previously watching on their train ride home.
Interestingly, that "xTV" name does appear several times in the possibly-real Xbox strategy document that leaked last June. In that document, "XTV" (entirely capitalized) referred to a set of next-generation TV offerings, including a pay television service accessible via Xbox and other devices.
Earlier this week, Microsoft confirmed that the company sold off its Mediaroom IPTV unit to fully "focus on consumer TV strategy with Xbox," seemingly hinting that there is a more significant evolution for the Xbox brand's approach to television coming up.
The notion of the next Xbox as a television device does give some intriguing context to the recent brouhaha over "always-on" technology. Your modern DVR set-top box is constantly connected to facilitate the steady stream of information being sent back and forth, so that you can power on and get whatever channel or services almost instantly. It also allows the device to know when to record a program that is on when you're away. In order for an Xbox to successfully work as a television device, it would need to have a constant connection.
Also of note: A Microsoft manager who worked on the Xbox console until mid-2012 says the early prototyping efforts for the "next generation Xbox console" software had "a focus on a new, cloud-driven, voice optimized experience [that] pushed the boundaries of UI design and opened up a wide range of new scenarios." And Microsoft is currently "Prototyping for the next generation of Xbox SmartGlass."
They also talk about a possible slingbox/time shifting function which would also help explain the always on connection. Especially if people are accessing it for a dvr function for daily commute.
Don't get me wrong guys, I think MS will try to suck every penny possible from us. But I think the doom and gloom assumption is on the exteme part of the spectrum. I think we will have something between getting fisted and gaming Vallhalla.
Don't get me wrong guys, I think MS will try to suck every penny possible from us. But I think the doom and gloom assumption is on the exteme part of the spectrum. I think we will have something between getting fisted and gaming Vallhalla.
^this. People get way too bent out of shape and make sweeping statements before anything is even officially announced, as well.
also we/public could be thinking about the always on thing incorrectly when it comes to games. . . .
Good point. They’ve certainly been working towards making the xbox more like an entertainment center than strictly a gaming console. But regardless of why it’s always on, I’d expect someone to eventually take advantage for alternative motives. For instance Sony has already suggested they could use your connection for marketing purposes. I don’t think it has to be the console manufacturers who are first to embrace the always on game concept. Maybe a developer could someday create a game that has a good reason why we’d want to be always on. Or maybe producers will figure out how to use it for antipiracy or anti-used games purposes. I just don’t see how it’s feasible at this point. I’m still not sure I have my nat settings right. How the heck am I gonna make my interwebz work all the time?
I’m with Slater: always on + always kinected with cameras seems like a creepy invasion of privacy. Hope they’re prepared to see lots of man parts.
Gamestop makes alot on the used games they sell. I am not sure they would survive without them. Also, I would rather buy the boxed season of my favorite shows on DVD with all kinds of bonus features. If it wasn't for NFL football, I would not even have a TV connection.
I don't want another brand cable box. What I do want is to play video games. If I have to deal with all the PC issues on a console, I might as well own a PC and play games I want to play.
I based my decision to quit XBL off what I see now. Most importantly the games I want to play are not comming to XBL. I don't care for the Kinnect. I see devs charging to play content that is on the disk. Expansions that are terrible. Lack of support from customer service when there is a problem with the video(movie/TV) services. These companies are not going to move "backwards". No, given what I have seen so far, they will ram this stuff down our throats.
My tastes changed... Like many of us, I was a member of LIVE for a long time(10 years). They did not lose a customer, they lost a client.
Every person in this topic who owns a 360 will own it's successor. Wait for the official news. MS is not going to chase it's customers away. The Media is sensing consumer unease since the PS4 was announced. They will write anything for attention.
Every person in this topic who owns a 360 will own it's successor. Wait for the official news. MS is not going to chase it's customers away. The Media is sensing consumer unease since the PS4 was announced. They will write anything for attention.
We own three 360's and if any of the rumors are true we will not be purchasing the new console. Believe me when I say that I am sick of the industry nickel and diming it's customers to death. None of these companies will recieve dollar one from me unless things change and soon. The only games I have purchased in the past year have been used and or discounted to death on steam and honestly I have too much to play at the moment to miss any of the so called "must have" titles.
Every person in this topic who owns a 360 will own it's successor. Wait for the official news. MS is not going to chase it's customers away. The Media is sensing consumer unease since the PS4 was announced. They will write anything for attention.
We own three 360's and if any of the rumors are true we will not be purchasing the new console. Believe me when I say that I am sick of the industry nickel and diming it's customers to death. None of these companies will recieve dollar one from me unless things change and soon. The only games I have purchased in the past year have been used and or discounted to death on steam and honestly I have too much to play at the moment to miss any of the so called "must have" titles.
My advice is to stop allowing rumours affect future decisions. There's plenty of time to make decisions after the product is official. We'll get a ton of solid info in May and June.
Every person in this topic who owns a 360 will own it's successor. Wait for the official news. MS is not going to chase it's customers away. The Media is sensing consumer unease since the PS4 was announced. They will write anything for attention.
We own three 360's and if any of the rumors are true we will not be purchasing the new console. Believe me when I say that I am sick of the industry nickel and diming it's customers to death. None of these companies will recieve dollar one from me unless things change and soon. The only games I have purchased in the past year have been used and or discounted to death on steam and honestly I have too much to play at the moment to miss any of the so called "must have" titles.
My advice is to stop allowing rumours affect future decisions. There's plenty of time to make decisions after the product is official. We'll get a ton of solid info in May and June.
+ One deep.
Although the new Kinect for the next box will have an inbuilt laser that can hit your body while playing FPS games to tell you where your getting shot from.
Every person in this topic who owns a 360 will own it's successor. Wait for the official news. MS is not going to chase it's customers away. The Media is sensing consumer unease since the PS4 was announced. They will write anything for attention.
We own three 360's and if any of the rumors are true we will not be purchasing the new console. Believe me when I say that I am sick of the industry nickel and diming it's customers to death. None of these companies will recieve dollar one from me unless things change and soon. The only games I have purchased in the past year have been used and or discounted to death on steam and honestly I have too much to play at the moment to miss any of the so called "must have" titles.
what do any of the rumors have to do with nickel and diming? Nothing has mentioned anything about no used games, except for a couple wackos.
I guess that's the point, Microsoft isn't saying shit about anything. I think they're leaking information and seeing what the nerd rage is like and finalizing what it is exactly the system can do before the reveal. And honestly even if they reveal on May 21st, we might not get the answers we want to hear. Reason being, while the hardware at this point is 100% final and being manufacturered in China someplace, the software fringe features can be worked on up utnil a couple months prior to shipping, hell they can even work on it up until a few weeks prior to launch and just give you a day1 patch.
We apologize for the inappropriate comments made by an employee on Twitter yesterday. This person is not a spokesperson for Microsoft, and his personal views do not reflect the customer centric approach we take to our products or how we would communicate directly with our loyal consumers. We are very sorry if this offended anyone, however we have not made any announcements about our product roadmap, and have no further comment on this matter.
Twitter is the perfect fucking tool to put a foot in your mouth or just blurt out every brain fart you have. It's simply too risky of a social media tool.
I like the idea of broadcast TV and DVR abilities, i just haven't read anything in various leak documents to support the idea. There's been no mention of a TV Tuner in the box yeat and leaks claim a 500gb HDD, not much room for recording/storing HD content.
For me, Microsoft's going to need to embrace and fully support indi developers, fully support free2play , be able to deliver patches much quicker than it allows for today and not hamper my ability to trade games in to purchase new ones. And if i buy a game thru an online download, the pricing that savings needs to be passed on to me, not put in microsofts pocket. Theres no reason a boxed retail edition and a media-less download should cost the same. The fact that they do is just money grubbing.
I like the idea of broadcast TV and DVR abilities, i just haven't read anything in various leak documents to support the idea. There's been no mention of a TV Tuner in the box yeat and leaks claim a 500gb HDD, not much room for recording/storing HD content.
For me, Microsoft's going to need to embrace and fully support indi developers, fully support free2play , be able to deliver patches much quicker than it allows for today and not hamper my ability to trade games in to purchase new ones. And if i buy a game thru an online download, the pricing that savings needs to be passed on to me, not put in microsofts pocket. Theres no reason a boxed retail edition and a media-less download should cost the same. The fact that they do is just money grubbing.
More info from leaked sources today about tv/cable integration here and a tweet from Arthur Gies last night hinting people might want to HDMI in that has CEC enabled. If you look in the tweet box on the right hand side of our site, I retweeted his tweet last night.
the rumor that seems to be going around now is that there will be two xboxs, a "mini" xbox that wont have a cd drive and will be designed for arcade games and media (music,tv, etc) and that will be always online and a high end xbox that'll be used for TripleA games, the backwards compatibility comes from having the ability to connect the two together and buying old games off of GoD on the mini but both working under one interface so that you can play it seemlessly off of the next gen xbox. if this is infact true i might very well just buy the mini so that i can play co-op games with my kids and wife, and find some people to play arcade games with over xbl.
the rumor that seems to be going around now is that there will be two xboxs, a "mini" xbox that wont have a cd drive and will be designed for arcade games and media (music,tv, etc) and that will be always online
This supposidly has been canned for launch, it might come later though.
My concern comes over the Kinect thing and the idea that because it will be POSSIBLE to integrate it in every game, that many game developers WILL incorporate it. I am not against the Kinect per se, I just tend to play in smaller rooms as a general rule. Over the past 5 years, most of my gaming has been in my home office or in secondary family room. With the current Kinect we have that the kids play, we have to move furniture out of the way in order to use it. If you have a coffee table in front of the couch you sit on, it jacks with the reading. Also, we have to stand a ways back. My eyes have deteriorated to the point where I can't even play anymore unless I sit close or wear my glasses (probably cause by all the years of MMO gaming and sitting right in front of the monitor), so the thought that I have to sit further back makes me wonder.
I freely and openly admit I'll be buying the 720. Microsoft would have to do something pretty egregious for me not to, but the Kinect thing gives me some concern enough to wonder.
The Kinect is nothing but a $150 microphone, and that's about all it's useful for as well, it can't compete with a controller for 'real' games. It has it's uses for kid games wher ethey probably don't notice as easily as us how shitty it is or how much lag there is. And exercise games seem to be a decent use of it. Otherwise, it's a mic and a fairly expensive one at that.
Sometimes it's faster to issue voice commands while you're dealing with other things in-game. Like issuing troop movements while you're in afirefight or like in defiance instead of hitting back YY B to change weapons you just say echo loadout 2 while you're in a firefight. It allows for you to issue more commands per second i guess is the summary of what i'm trying to explain.
Sometimes it's faster to issue voice commands while you're dealing with other things in-game. Like issuing troop movements while you're in afirefight or like in defiance instead of hitting back YY B to change weapons you just say echo loadout 2 while you're in a firefight. It allows for you to issue more commands per second i guess is the summary of what i'm trying to explain.
I can see how this could be helpful in some games I play, but I don't understand why I need a kinect to do this. I usually have a headset on with a mic. Why do I need two mics?
Sometimes it's faster to issue voice commands while you're dealing with other things in-game. Like issuing troop movements while you're in afirefight or like in defiance instead of hitting back YY B to change weapons you just say echo loadout 2 while you're in a firefight. It allows for you to issue more commands per second i guess is the summary of what i'm trying to explain.
I can see how this could be helpful in some games I play, but I don't understand why I need a kinect to do this. I usually have a headset on with a mic. Why do I need two mics?
^
I have a nice headset so I can play when kids go to bed...talking commands loud enough for Kinect to pick it seems counter-intuitive to me, but whatever...
Well put sir!
also we/public could be thinking about the always on thing incorrectly when it comes to games, if this Kotaku article sources are to be believed:
They also talk about a possible slingbox/time shifting function which would also help explain the always on connection. Especially if people are accessing it for a dvr function for daily commute.
Don't get me wrong guys, I think MS will try to suck every penny possible from us. But I think the doom and gloom assumption is on the exteme part of the spectrum. I think we will have something between getting fisted and gaming Vallhalla.
^this. People get way too bent out of shape and make sweeping statements before anything is even officially announced, as well.
Good point. They’ve certainly been working towards making the xbox more like an entertainment center than strictly a gaming console. But regardless of why it’s always on, I’d expect someone to eventually take advantage for alternative motives. For instance Sony has already suggested they could use your connection for marketing purposes. I don’t think it has to be the console manufacturers who are first to embrace the always on game concept. Maybe a developer could someday create a game that has a good reason why we’d want to be always on. Or maybe producers will figure out how to use it for antipiracy or anti-used games purposes. I just don’t see how it’s feasible at this point. I’m still not sure I have my nat settings right. How the heck am I gonna make my interwebz work all the time?
I’m with Slater: always on + always kinected with cameras seems like a creepy invasion of privacy. Hope they’re prepared to see lots of man parts.
You are right on both accounts LB.
Gamestop makes alot on the used games they sell. I am not sure they would survive without them. Also, I would rather buy the boxed season of my favorite shows on DVD with all kinds of bonus features. If it wasn't for NFL football, I would not even have a TV connection.
I don't want another brand cable box. What I do want is to play video games. If I have to deal with all the PC issues on a console, I might as well own a PC and play games I want to play.
I based my decision to quit XBL off what I see now. Most importantly the games I want to play are not comming to XBL. I don't care for the Kinnect. I see devs charging to play content that is on the disk. Expansions that are terrible. Lack of support from customer service when there is a problem with the video(movie/TV) services. These companies are not going to move "backwards". No, given what I have seen so far, they will ram this stuff down our throats.
My tastes changed... Like many of us, I was a member of LIVE for a long time(10 years). They did not lose a customer, they lost a client.
Scary thought;
Are games turning to shit, or are we just getting fucking old?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0EcQ8sFHpw
Getting too old? I had that thought the other day. Maybe it's just like music. These pesty kids, with there drum and bass.
An article from VG 24/7, bit of a repeat on stuff, but has a couple of new things. http://www.vg247.com/2013/04/10/next-xbox-is-not-always-online-contains-xtv-new-360-sku-makes-it-backwards-compatible/
Every person in this topic who owns a 360 will own it's successor. Wait for the official news. MS is not going to chase it's customers away. The Media is sensing consumer unease since the PS4 was announced. They will write anything for attention.
We own three 360's and if any of the rumors are true we will not be purchasing the new console. Believe me when I say that I am sick of the industry nickel and diming it's customers to death. None of these companies will recieve dollar one from me unless things change and soon. The only games I have purchased in the past year have been used and or discounted to death on steam and honestly I have too much to play at the moment to miss any of the so called "must have" titles.
+ One deep.
Although the new Kinect for the next box will have an inbuilt laser that can hit your body while playing FPS games to tell you where your getting shot from.
what do any of the rumors have to do with nickel and diming? Nothing has mentioned anything about no used games, except for a couple wackos.
I guess that's the point, Microsoft isn't saying shit about anything. I think they're leaking information and seeing what the nerd rage is like and finalizing what it is exactly the system can do before the reveal. And honestly even if they reveal on May 21st, we might not get the answers we want to hear. Reason being, while the hardware at this point is 100% final and being manufacturered in China someplace, the software fringe features can be worked on up utnil a couple months prior to shipping, hell they can even work on it up until a few weeks prior to launch and just give you a day1 patch.
Apparently Mr. Orth no longer works for MS. https://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/04/10/following-twitter-tirade_2c00_-microsoft-designer-adam-orth-resigns.aspx
I knew it. What a douche. M$ apology.
We apologize for the inappropriate comments made by an employee on Twitter yesterday. This person is not a spokesperson for Microsoft, and his personal views do not reflect the customer centric approach we take to our products or how we would communicate directly with our loyal consumers. We are very sorry if this offended anyone, however we have not made any announcements about our product roadmap, and have no further comment on this matter.
Twitter is the perfect fucking tool to put a foot in your mouth or just blurt out every brain fart you have. It's simply too risky of a social media tool.
I like the idea of broadcast TV and DVR abilities, i just haven't read anything in various leak documents to support the idea. There's been no mention of a TV Tuner in the box yeat and leaks claim a 500gb HDD, not much room for recording/storing HD content.
For me, Microsoft's going to need to embrace and fully support indi developers, fully support free2play , be able to deliver patches much quicker than it allows for today and not hamper my ability to trade games in to purchase new ones. And if i buy a game thru an online download, the pricing that savings needs to be passed on to me, not put in microsofts pocket. Theres no reason a boxed retail edition and a media-less download should cost the same. The fact that they do is just money grubbing.
More info from leaked sources today about tv/cable integration here and a tweet from Arthur Gies last night hinting people might want to HDMI in that has CEC enabled. If you look in the tweet box on the right hand side of our site, I retweeted his tweet last night.
Still nothing concrete but it is interesting.
the rumor that seems to be going around now is that there will be two xboxs, a "mini" xbox that wont have a cd drive and will be designed for arcade games and media (music,tv, etc) and that will be always online and a high end xbox that'll be used for TripleA games, the backwards compatibility comes from having the ability to connect the two together and buying old games off of GoD on the mini but both working under one interface so that you can play it seemlessly off of the next gen xbox. if this is infact true i might very well just buy the mini so that i can play co-op games with my kids and wife, and find some people to play arcade games with over xbl.
This supposidly has been canned for launch, it might come later though.
why is $500 an issue in 2013? It'll last you 6-7 years. And some 360 bundles with kinect are still $350. This would probably come with Kinect 2.0.
Umm, I'm a gear head, what's CEC?
It is the Councl for Exceptional Children. Here is a link:
http://sped.org/
Just trying to bring a little humor along. :)
HDMI CEC
At its most basic function it is universal remote control function without having to puchase a universal remote control.
My concern comes over the Kinect thing and the idea that because it will be POSSIBLE to integrate it in every game, that many game developers WILL incorporate it. I am not against the Kinect per se, I just tend to play in smaller rooms as a general rule. Over the past 5 years, most of my gaming has been in my home office or in secondary family room. With the current Kinect we have that the kids play, we have to move furniture out of the way in order to use it. If you have a coffee table in front of the couch you sit on, it jacks with the reading. Also, we have to stand a ways back. My eyes have deteriorated to the point where I can't even play anymore unless I sit close or wear my glasses (probably cause by all the years of MMO gaming and sitting right in front of the monitor), so the thought that I have to sit further back makes me wonder.
I freely and openly admit I'll be buying the 720. Microsoft would have to do something pretty egregious for me not to, but the Kinect thing gives me some concern enough to wonder.
The Kinect is nothing but a $150 microphone, and that's about all it's useful for as well, it can't compete with a controller for 'real' games. It has it's uses for kid games wher ethey probably don't notice as easily as us how shitty it is or how much lag there is. And exercise games seem to be a decent use of it. Otherwise, it's a mic and a fairly expensive one at that.
mic? I know no one who uses the Kinect as a mic. it's primarily video. The mic on it sucks so much. Why would it be a mic?
Sometimes it's faster to issue voice commands while you're dealing with other things in-game. Like issuing troop movements while you're in afirefight or like in defiance instead of hitting back YY B to change weapons you just say echo loadout 2 while you're in a firefight. It allows for you to issue more commands per second i guess is the summary of what i'm trying to explain.
I can see how this could be helpful in some games I play, but I don't understand why I need a kinect to do this. I usually have a headset on with a mic. Why do I need two mics?
^
I have a nice headset so I can play when kids go to bed...talking commands loud enough for Kinect to pick it seems counter-intuitive to me, but whatever...