wow. but why would you have 8 controllers connected? I can't imagine how hard that would be to play.
I'm still not alarmed by the "don't preorder and spend that kind of money blah blah blah"
I buy a new iPhone every other year for $400 (I get the largest GB version). That's TWO YEARS. The Xbox/PS4 are going to be good for 8-10 years. $400/500 is not a lot of money for that amount of support.
$400 every other year for a phone? Damn, son. You have a lot of money to blow.
wow. but why would you have 8 controllers connected? I can't imagine how hard that would be to play.
I'm still not alarmed by the "don't preorder and spend that kind of money blah blah blah"
I buy a new iPhone every other year for $400 (I get the largest GB version). That's TWO YEARS. The Xbox/PS4 are going to be good for 8-10 years. $400/500 is not a lot of money for that amount of support.
$400 every other year for a phone? Damn, son. You have a lot of money to blow.
wow. but why would you have 8 controllers connected? I can't imagine how hard that would be to play.
I'm still not alarmed by the "don't preorder and spend that kind of money blah blah blah"
I buy a new iPhone every other year for $400 (I get the largest GB version). That's TWO YEARS. The Xbox/PS4 are going to be good for 8-10 years. $400/500 is not a lot of money for that amount of support.
$400 every other year for a phone? Damn, son. You have a lot of money to blow.
wow. but why would you have 8 controllers connected? I can't imagine how hard that would be to play.
I'm still not alarmed by the "don't preorder and spend that kind of money blah blah blah"
I buy a new iPhone every other year for $400 (I get the largest GB version). That's TWO YEARS. The Xbox/PS4 are going to be good for 8-10 years. $400/500 is not a lot of money for that amount of support.
$400 every other year for a phone? Damn, son. You have a lot of money to blow.
That was my initial reaction.
You buy the iPhone! ;)
He doesn't mind drm.
Yeah, that was actually my next thought.
I'm looking forward to my next Windows Phone, probably in January.
wow. but why would you have 8 controllers connected? I can't imagine how hard that would be to play.
I'm still not alarmed by the "don't preorder and spend that kind of money blah blah blah"
I buy a new iPhone every other year for $400 (I get the largest GB version). That's TWO YEARS. The Xbox/PS4 are going to be good for 8-10 years. $400/500 is not a lot of money for that amount of support.
$400 every other year for a phone? Damn, son. You have a lot of money to blow.
That was my initial reaction.
You buy the iPhone! ;)
He doesn't mind drm.
Yeah, that was actually my next thought.
I'm looking forward to my next Windows Phone, probably in January.
wow. but why would you have 8 controllers connected? I can't imagine how hard that would be to play.
I'm still not alarmed by the "don't preorder and spend that kind of money blah blah blah"
I buy a new iPhone every other year for $400 (I get the largest GB version). That's TWO YEARS. The Xbox/PS4 are going to be good for 8-10 years. $400/500 is not a lot of money for that amount of support.
$400 every other year for a phone? Damn, son. You have a lot of money to blow.
That was my initial reaction.
You buy the iPhone! ;)
He doesn't mind drm.
Yeah, that was actually my next thought.
I'm looking forward to my next Windows Phone, probably in January.
Just got an S4 and she's a beauty
My brother has an S3 and he really likes it. I really enjoy the Nokia Lumia line myself.
I have had Nokia's for the past 16 years or so. I still use the "old" one for work when I'm on site (Quite rare) as I don't want the get the S4 smashed to bits.
The only reason I went Samsung / Droid was due to having a Nexus 7.
The Wife's contract ends next month so I'm waiting to see what Google bring out as the N4 has been discontinued over here in the UK. :(
wow. but why would you have 8 controllers connected? I can't imagine how hard that would be to play.
I'm still not alarmed by the "don't preorder and spend that kind of money blah blah blah"
I buy a new iPhone every other year for $400 (I get the largest GB version). That's TWO YEARS. The Xbox/PS4 are going to be good for 8-10 years. $400/500 is not a lot of money for that amount of support.
$400 every other year for a phone? Damn, son. You have a lot of money to blow.
I sell my old one (which I'll do with one of my 360s). If you can't afford $200 a year on a phone that you spend $80 a month on, then I don't know what to say there...
To me Shadow, its not so much alarmist as it is encouraging people to make an informed decision. For example, if people have questions or concerns, there isn't much harm in waiting until they are satisfied and confident in their purchase, right? I feel this way about many products and services today.
Also, 8 controllers would be odd for a game. However, it could be for something else - perhaps even voting on political debates :P
8 controllers on a system sounds awesome. That would be perfect for Rock Band (R.I.P.) and You Don't Know Jack. Signing a EULA or agreeing to a ToS doesn't allow a company to do anything and everything they want; if an agreement allows the company to do something illegal then the contract is void regardless. I consider Microsoft theoretically (I am aware this is not the policy, since its somehow been explained as relating to Xbox 360, but for some reason the statement was made recently) rendering the property of its customers completely useless and effectively destroying it illegal. If that were to happen, I'm sure there would be a lawsuit and I'm certain the customer would come out on top (as long as the customer got banned for some dumb shit like trash talking and not breaking the law by modding.)
Well, such lawsuits would have happened. After all, Microsoft isn't the first to do this, that is, if they were doing it. I'll believe what Larry Hryb said - being banned does not cause you to be unable to play your games.
If people prefer to believe random tweets from internet person whoever, that's their call.
It was an official microsoft account, the person who asked the question in the first place specifically stated xbox one, and either microsoft doesn't know what they're doing (hence the backpeddling) or they're doing damage control. Also, they said the tweet was a mistake, not that it was false. There's a huge difference there.
They might have thought Xbox 360 and gave the answer they knew, then realized later the mistake of which console. Its a human error.
Also, if they don't know the official information, it's more correct to say the tweet was a mistake, than to say it was false. They don't know if it is false or not, after all :)
I don't think tweet jockeys know every detail of the console and its policies.
I mean, feel free to believe it though. It could be true. Its often true for MMOs, such as Final Fantasy 14 - coming to PS4.
I don't think tweet jockeys know every detail of the console and its policies.
They certainly don't and are often found to be incorrect. I know when I read it I thought, "Could be true but in light of this last week and information getting screwed up since the XB1 reveal, maybe not". But if the original answer fits a person's agenda, then blam, here ya go.
Then don't answer if you aren't sure of the correct answer? Or better yet, escalate said question to someone who does. Hell, I would have accepted 'unfortunately, we do not have that information at this time'.
Agreed, they could have worded the "correction" better.
At this point anything not made absolutely clear can be twisted to mean so many unintended things though.
That's why I don't put stock in slanted opinion pieces, gif images, and tweets. I'll wait for something a bit clearer and with more characters allowed per post ;)
Sony hasn't revealed their full plans for Gaikai other than it won't be available at launch. I believe Gaikai is going to be used to remote play PS4 games on the Vita so you can play your console games on the go. Which that would be cool.
Microsoft on the other hand is offloading processing of the ONE to the cloud. Which to be honest, they kind of have to make up the shortfall compared to the PS4 somewhere. Even though both have 8 cores and 8 gigs of ram, in ONE probably 5 cores and 6 gigs of ram will be for gaming due to the three virtual operating systems running in the box. SO cloud processing helps level the playing field a bit. Though the potential is there to be so much more as well depending on how well it works and how well devs learn to use it.
From what's known at the moment, the cloud stuff is totally different between the systems. You can't really compare them based on what is known today.
I agree Tank, which is why I don't put much stock in Sony claiming they can do it too while having no plans to do so.
Also, isn't the PS4 to Vita game streaming restricted by LAN? I didn't think it could be used if you were, for example, hundreds of miles from your console.
It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. If its mostly marketing BS, or if there is a marked difference in favor of One games due to the cloud stuff. I mean for processing, obviously the other benifits are described pretty well already such as signing in and able to play your games on any of the One consoles.
You can remote play PS3 games right now. You don't need Gakai for it.
People keep claiming this "3 GB for OS, 5 GB for games for the One"
As if the PS4 runs on magic? It'll be using some RAM for its own OS too.
Sure but the sony OS isn't going to take near the processing / ram away from gaming that it is going to in ONE. It's all one machine ith the OS running in the background. On ONE you've got Windows 8 running in the background plus a bridging OS that makes bridges the WIndows8 part with the XboxOS part. The division is much much much more intrusive to gaming on the ONE than it is going to be in PS4. PS4 isn't trying to run windows8 simultaniously as running a game. And since Devs want to know how many resources they're working with, Microsoft has to draw a line in the sand and say Ok the gaming side gets this much of these resources for gaming. So yes you're 100% correct that PS4 isn't going to have 100% of it's resources available for gaming either but the difference is night and day between the resource divisions on PS4 vs ONE. I fully, completely understand how virtualizing works , I work with it every single day in a professional capacity. So believe me when I say, for gaming and only gaming specs, ONE has a significant shortfall. The only way they can make up the difference is with cloud processing.
Right. So you know you can run parallels in OSX with Windows 7 and your system can still run well with 8GB of RAM ;)
Run well... sure. Run the same as if it had a dedicated access to the full 8 gig of ram and 8 cores of CPU, no. You can setup parelles on OSx to give windows 7 enough resources to run ok. And on ONE, i'm sure early games are going to run fine on 5 cores and 5 or 6 gigs of ram. However over the lifetime of the system, those limitations are going to become more and more restrictive and it will need to rely more on cloud computing if it wants to keep past with mid to late generation PS4 games which has far more resources compartively speaking dedicated to running games.
He doesn't mind drm.
Yeah, that was actually my next thought.
I have had Nokia's for the past 16 years or so. I still use the "old" one for work when I'm on site (Quite rare) as I don't want the get the S4 smashed to bits.
The only reason I went Samsung / Droid was due to having a Nexus 7.
The Wife's contract ends next month so I'm waiting to see what Google bring out as the N4 has been discontinued over here in the UK. :(
I sell my old one (which I'll do with one of my 360s). If you can't afford $200 a year on a phone that you spend $80 a month on, then I don't know what to say there...
To me Shadow, its not so much alarmist as it is encouraging people to make an informed decision. For example, if people have questions or concerns, there isn't much harm in waiting until they are satisfied and confident in their purchase, right? I feel this way about many products and services today.
Also, 8 controllers would be odd for a game. However, it could be for something else - perhaps even voting on political debates :P
Here's the criteria that I used to determine which console to buy: does it play Forza 5? That was easy.
Edited by and an example of how LB abuses his Powah!!! Just thought it was appropriate.
What Jones said!
Well, such lawsuits would have happened. After all, Microsoft isn't the first to do this, that is, if they were doing it. I'll believe what Larry Hryb said - being banned does not cause you to be unable to play your games.
If people prefer to believe random tweets from internet person whoever, that's their call.
It was an official microsoft account, the person who asked the question in the first place specifically stated xbox one, and either microsoft doesn't know what they're doing (hence the backpeddling) or they're doing damage control. Also, they said the tweet was a mistake, not that it was false. There's a huge difference there.
They might have thought Xbox 360 and gave the answer they knew, then realized later the mistake of which console. Its a human error.
Also, if they don't know the official information, it's more correct to say the tweet was a mistake, than to say it was false. They don't know if it is false or not, after all :)
I don't think tweet jockeys know every detail of the console and its policies.
I mean, feel free to believe it though. It could be true. Its often true for MMOs, such as Final Fantasy 14 - coming to PS4.
Am I concerned personally? No.
Then don't answer if you aren't sure of the correct answer? Or better yet, escalate said question to someone who does. Hell, I would have accepted 'unfortunately, we do not have that information at this time'.
Agreed, they could have worded the "correction" better.
At this point anything not made absolutely clear can be twisted to mean so many unintended things though.
That's why I don't put stock in slanted opinion pieces, gif images, and tweets. I'll wait for something a bit clearer and with more characters allowed per post ;)
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I have an I4S and the tethering doesn't work without account cost...I5 as well.
so you tried it?
It doesn't cost, but you have to update your plan to the latest one without unlimited data.
Not sure where to put this, but Project Spark, a Microsoft exclusive, is going to be free to download on Xbox 360, Xbox One and PC.
http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/e3-project-spark-qa
Here's a Microsoft Blog post that talks about their plan as a leap ahead rather than being just another game console.
http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_blog/archive/2013/06/14/scale-matte...
Is Microsoft a leader in cloud processing? Or will Gaikai be better?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-29/microsoft-azure-sales-top-1-bil...
tl;dr - Microsoft can utterly crush anything Gaikai/Sony could possibly hope to do in cloud computing areas.
Sony hasn't revealed their full plans for Gaikai other than it won't be available at launch. I believe Gaikai is going to be used to remote play PS4 games on the Vita so you can play your console games on the go. Which that would be cool.
Microsoft on the other hand is offloading processing of the ONE to the cloud. Which to be honest, they kind of have to make up the shortfall compared to the PS4 somewhere. Even though both have 8 cores and 8 gigs of ram, in ONE probably 5 cores and 6 gigs of ram will be for gaming due to the three virtual operating systems running in the box. SO cloud processing helps level the playing field a bit. Though the potential is there to be so much more as well depending on how well it works and how well devs learn to use it.
From what's known at the moment, the cloud stuff is totally different between the systems. You can't really compare them based on what is known today.
I agree Tank, which is why I don't put much stock in Sony claiming they can do it too while having no plans to do so.
Also, isn't the PS4 to Vita game streaming restricted by LAN? I didn't think it could be used if you were, for example, hundreds of miles from your console.
It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. If its mostly marketing BS, or if there is a marked difference in favor of One games due to the cloud stuff. I mean for processing, obviously the other benifits are described pretty well already such as signing in and able to play your games on any of the One consoles.
You can remote play PS3 games right now. You don't need Gakai for it.
People keep claiming this "3 GB for OS, 5 GB for games for the One"
As if the PS4 runs on magic? It'll be using some RAM for its own OS too.
Sure but the sony OS isn't going to take near the processing / ram away from gaming that it is going to in ONE. It's all one machine ith the OS running in the background. On ONE you've got Windows 8 running in the background plus a bridging OS that makes bridges the WIndows8 part with the XboxOS part. The division is much much much more intrusive to gaming on the ONE than it is going to be in PS4. PS4 isn't trying to run windows8 simultaniously as running a game. And since Devs want to know how many resources they're working with, Microsoft has to draw a line in the sand and say Ok the gaming side gets this much of these resources for gaming. So yes you're 100% correct that PS4 isn't going to have 100% of it's resources available for gaming either but the difference is night and day between the resource divisions on PS4 vs ONE. I fully, completely understand how virtualizing works , I work with it every single day in a professional capacity. So believe me when I say, for gaming and only gaming specs, ONE has a significant shortfall. The only way they can make up the difference is with cloud processing.
Right. So you know you can run parallels in OSX with Windows 7 and your system can still run well with 8GB of RAM ;)
Run well... sure. Run the same as if it had a dedicated access to the full 8 gig of ram and 8 cores of CPU, no. You can setup parelles on OSx to give windows 7 enough resources to run ok. And on ONE, i'm sure early games are going to run fine on 5 cores and 5 or 6 gigs of ram. However over the lifetime of the system, those limitations are going to become more and more restrictive and it will need to rely more on cloud computing if it wants to keep past with mid to late generation PS4 games which has far more resources compartively speaking dedicated to running games.
here's a list of Xbox One myths debunked, for new people:
http://www.oxm.co.uk/56581/blog/11-xbox-one-myths-debunked-kinect-online-checks-game-prices-and-more/