You know every time I see someone say this forum is moderated I have to chuckle, it's not. The standard rules of conduct are non existent. What we have are admin calling themselves moderators, but suggest how they may improve the site moderation and they get all, we know best, and STFU.
This site doesn't need more or less moderation...It needs moderators who know the job, keep their personal views to themselves, work behind the scenes and don't indulge in pubic fights...Well that is my opinion and it about as popular as a pork chop at a Jewish wedding so the usual suspects don't need to jump down my throat I already know what you think.
Thats simply not true. 2o2p has gone through upwards to 40 moderators since its birth. Admins (IE me and D) rarely (if ever) intervene in any nonsense here on this board. We did in the part, but quickly found out that people enjoy "fighting against the man" more then they do listening to reason. We've had moderators from every walk of life and clan on this board and in every case the general membership chimes in to talk about how poorly a job they do. At one point we had 6 different clans represented as moderators.
Honestly, its all just a bunch of bull. People in general always think they know how to do it better. Many of those people have gone on to be moderators here and find out quick how thankless this "job" is. We've had the majority of our moderators step down or fade away simply because of it as well. I'm not saying your points are not valid, however I've been doing this long enough to see what works and what doesn't. More moderators simply doesn't work.
To go into more detail about this all you have to do is turn to clans. If a member of a clan comes out into the main forums and has a disagreement with someone on the site they will get moderated. Well then the entire clan feels the need to come out and defend their "buddy" even at the cost of reason. Keep in mind this is generally not a one sided issue and the same thing will happen with the other party as well. More then likely its because both parties decided to engage in being a jackass, but neither would like to admit it. So now the mod is left to close the thread or repremand the individual. This leads to at least one of the parties being upset with how they were modded. Thats a lose lose scenario.
Again, 2old2play was never built to be a MATURE older gamers site. For some reason people use this mantra as if they read it in a tag line somewhere on the site; they haven't. I assuse you neither I nor Derek or ANY of the founding members of 2o2p built this place to act mature. If people act up or the main forums have a jack ass in it, then ignore them or better yet I'd rather build in better methods to self moderate that users posts. Because at the end of the day, Moderators are never going to see eye to eye with YOUR ideals of the perfect forum or context of content. So wouldn't it be better to not have to agree? Just block and move on.
If people act up or the main forums have a jack ass in it, then ignore them or better yet I'd rather build in better methods to self moderate that users posts. Because at the end of the day, Moderators are never going to see eye to eye with YOUR ideals of the perfect forum or context of content. So wouldn't it be better to not have to agree? Just block and move on.
Actually, I've observed the results of such a system on a site (unnamed on purpose now). It can work but I've seen the usual cliques berate members who choose to block other members. Alternatively I've seen the same cliques use peer pressure to block other people for very subjective reasons like the site they came from of that they like a certain IP, product or developer for example. I'm not sure how to defeat that problem. Of course I'd normally suggest rules but that scares people.
You know every time I see someone say this forum is moderated I have to chuckle, it's not. The standard rules of conduct are non existent. What we have are admin calling themselves moderators, but suggest how they may improve the site moderation and they get all, we know best, and STFU.
This site doesn't need more or less moderation...It needs moderators who know the job, keep their personal views to themselves, work behind the scenes and don't indulge in pubic fights...Well that is my opinion and it about as popular as a pork chop at a Jewish wedding so the usual suspects don't need to jump down my throat I already know what you think.
You know I believe I am actually a mod on the 2euro2play and 2retro2play forums. I believe I have had to take one action in about 3 years. That's because Europeans are just such a peaceful and loving bunch. And also because no one posts there anymore.
I would agree with Doodi on the mod debate. If some idiot posts trolling remarks about you/your mother/your favourite game, just ignore them. Troll gets bored, goes away and problem solved.
You know every time I see someone say this forum is moderated I have to chuckle, it's not. The standard rules of conduct are non existent. What we have are admin calling themselves moderators, but suggest how they may improve the site moderation and they get all, we know best, and STFU.
This site doesn't need more or less moderation...It needs moderators who know the job, keep their personal views to themselves, work behind the scenes and don't indulge in pubic fights...Well that is my opinion and it about as popular as a pork chop at a Jewish wedding so the usual suspects don't need to jump down my throat I already know what you think.
You know I believe I am actually a mod on the 2euro2play and 2retro2play forums. I believe I have had to take one action in about 3 years. That's because Europeans are just such a peaceful and loving bunch. And also because no one posts there anymore.
I would agree with Doodi on the mod debate. If some idiot posts trolling remarks about you/your mother/your favorite game, just ignore them. Troll gets bored, goes away and problem solved.
This is the ignore button. Mind you, it doesn't have to be real, or even pixelated...instead of going to your happy place, send them instead...
My problem is, and this is me, I'll do that and then the turd actually posts something reasonably constructive and I slip and ignore my ignore button...and then I'm shown the error of my ways.
BTW, I am amazed at my track record of posting shit Doodi agrees on, I DO have a rep to maintain Doodi....
( I just had to add "turd" to the dictionary...sad)
You know every time I see someone say this forum is moderated I have to chuckle, it's not. The standard rules of conduct are non existent. What we have are admin calling themselves moderators, but suggest how they may improve the site moderation and they get all, we know best, and STFU.
This site doesn't need more or less moderation...It needs moderators who know the job, keep their personal views to themselves, work behind the scenes and don't indulge in pubic fights...Well that is my opinion and it about as popular as a pork chop at a Jewish wedding so the usual suspects don't need to jump down my throat I already know what you think.
You know I believe I am actually a mod on the 2euro2play and 2retro2play forums. I believe I have had to take one action in about 3 years. That's because Europeans are just such a peaceful and loving bunch. And also because no one posts there anymore.
I would agree with Doodi on the mod debate. If some idiot posts trolling remarks about you/your mother/your favourite game, just ignore them. Troll gets bored, goes away and problem solved.
Since I have been "moderating" 2old2rpg I think the only thing I do there is modify the computer building thread infrequently and accept applications to join. From what I am told, there has only been one person "diciplined" in the history of the clan.
Amazingly, thanks to 2old2play, there is a few of these guys I know personally now. Like call them on the phone and say "hey, how is the wife and kids"? One guy lives in the next town over.
Back on point, I have always felt that 2old2play was a great place to meet up with people that want to play the same game. Everyone is older and most understand if you have to drop a game because of a family issue. There are many people here that are serious about their gaming if you are into that thing.
I'm all for streamlined less heavy board. The scripts here seems to slow down more than anything. vBulletin 4.2 FTW. Just make one gaming forum and a couple other general ones (FPS, RPG, Racing, Fighting) and you can make threads within those for certain games. Such as:
Halo 4 - General Halo 4 - Game Nights Halo 4 - ???
You only really need a couple threads per game and then they're all together and you see a lot more stuff. Everything nonspecific goes to the main gaming forum. And then just have one Offtopic board.
I'm all for streamlined less heavy board. The scripts here seems to slow down more than anything. vBulletin 4.2 FTW. Just make one gaming forum and a couple other general ones (FPS, RPG, Racing, Fighting) and you can make threads within those for certain games. Such as:
Halo 4 - General Halo 4 - Game Nights Halo 4 - ???
You only really need a couple threads per game and then they're all together and you see a lot more stuff. Everything nonspecific goes to the main gaming forum. And then just have one Offtopic board.
im not trying to argue, but I don't think this will work. I for one don't want to have to scroll through other FPS threads to get to the "lets play Halo 3" thread. I also think threads that are too general get too big. If you can't check the forum for a few days, you may have 60 new posts in a general game thread.
*edited to add: I am EXTREMELY lazy, even when it comes to scrolling through posts lol*
I'm all for streamlined less heavy board. The scripts here seems to slow down more than anything. vBulletin 4.2 FTW. Just make one gaming forum and a couple other general ones (FPS, RPG, Racing, Fighting) and you can make threads within those for certain games. Such as:
Halo 4 - General Halo 4 - Game Nights Halo 4 - ???
You only really need a couple threads per game and then they're all together and you see a lot more stuff. Everything nonspecific goes to the main gaming forum. And then just have one Offtopic board.
im not trying to argue, but I don't think this will work. I for one don't want to have to scroll through other FPS threads to get to the "lets play Halo 3" thread. I also think threads that are too general get too big. If you can't check the forum for a few days, you may have 60 new posts in a general game thread.
*edited to add: I am EXTREMELY lazy, even when it comes to scrolling through posts lol*
You don't have to - you can subscribe to threads you post in, in vBulletin. Then just go to your user control panel and all your threads are there. it's like your own little "board". Plus if a thread gets too big just lock it and start a "v2" thread.
General threads would be like "hey this game is coming out, let's discuss!" or "there's a new update, etc, etc"
I mean, I don't know how you'd change how much people post. Not sure your issue... or the solution. There's too many posts in a thread so you'd rather have to check 10 threads instead of follow through one?
Thats where I got my example from! I miss a few days and that thread has way too many posts. Luckily, it's the kind of thread that's mostly randomness, so I'm not missing vital gaming information if I don't read the unread posts lol.
Lol! In a way it's funny, but in a way it's sad. I feel like I have to start posts with "I'm not trying to argue" or "you know I luv ya Deep" (lol) so no one thinks I'm starting a fight.
The problem is territoriality and cliques. None of that crap exists over in the garage. I don't get it myself.
FACT
Well yes and no...Like I said over on The Goodnight Thread, the regulars there could be seen as a clique...and indeed have been, I remember someone coming on and asking if it was okay if they joined in...and that is just a randam silly fun thread. Wherever there are large groups of people they will break into smaller groups or cliques. But closed groups is another thing, I was brought around from being adamantly opposed to now being very pro opening up the whole site.
Did I ever say it was easy? Where did I say it was fun? Where did I say more moderators? It's a thankless job on the whole. Again I say there is little to no what would be called moderation here, there is people called mods who engage in slanging matches out in the open...Look I really don't care that much, I have a good time here, I try to add to the site, I try to be a positive and active member, but don't tell me black is white and because you have the keys to the door you know more than me. I speak from my own experience, and my own knowledge of what has worked for me in the past.
I have a heep of admiration for you Dood, and your crew. What you are trying to do here...Well hell not trying, doing here is great. But I do get a little pissed at being told I don't know what I'm talking about.
Sure there are some things about this site that are a little different, but not hugely. I've dealt with rival groups before, lost sleep, nearly lost friends, I know what being a mod entails, I don't say this stuff lightly or from ignorance. Nor do I say it needs to be heavy handed, far from it, my mantra was always, everything in moderation, especially moderation.
I have been berated before for commenting on moderation, but you want opinion, you ask for input, so I give it. You say you know better...fine. I'll shut up. but I have to say my piece first, it's not an attack, it's an educated opinion. But I find it interesting that this subject brings out the big guns more than any other...
Like I say that is my opinion, throw it aside by all means
Did I say somewhere in there I didn't really care? Well I take that back, I do feckin care or I would not bother my arse now would I?
Did I ever say it was easy? Where did I say it was fun? Where did I say more moderators? It's a thankless job on the whole. Again I say there is little to no what would be called moderation here, there is people called mods who engage in slanging matches out in the open...Look I really don't care that much, I have a good time here, I try to add to the site, I try to be a positive and active member, but don't tell me black is white and because you have the keys to the door you know more than me. I speak from my own experience, and my own knowledge of what has worked for me in the past.
I have a heep of admiration for you Dood, and your crew. What you are trying to do here...Well hell not trying, doing here is great. But I do get a little pissed at being told I don't know what I'm talking about.
Sure there are some things about this site that are a little different, but not hugely. I've dealt with rival groups before, lost sleep, nearly lost friends, I know what being a mod entails, I don't say this stuff lightly or from ignorance. Nor do I say it needs to be heavy handed, far from it, my mantra was always, everything in moderation, especially moderation.
I have been berated before for commenting on moderation, but you want opinion, you ask for input, so I give it. You say you know better...fine. I'll shut up. but I have to say my piece first, it's not an attack, it's an educated opinion. But I find it interesting that this subject brings out the big guns more than any other...
Like I say that is my opinion, throw it aside by all means
Did I say somewhere in there I didn't really care? Well I take that back, I do feckin care or I would not bother my arse now would I?
Well I never said that you said it was easy either. It's not. However I don't agree with your assessment and that's ok. We can both agree to disagree. I'm sure you have tons of experience in this matter and I make no assumptions otherwise. However I'm going on what happens and has happened here on 2o2p for the past 8 years. We've had every type of moderator in the world on this site. Heavy handed ones, follow the rules ones, silent ones (like has been suggested) and so on. More conflict has come from moderation than from less. Maybe its the wrong moderators, maybe not. I just find it hard to believe that all 40ish moderators we've had have been the wrong choice.
As for the big guns coming out, I've been in this topic well before we even discussed moderation. It's not something I mind discussing and am totally open to speaking more about it. I do find it a bit offense to suggest that we're not trying here, but I suppose we've been called worse. I'd figure that the changes I'm talking about side wide would be indication enough that I care. I work on 2o2p daily and love the site as if it were my child. I want nothing more for it to be a great place for gamers. However I have to still stay true to what I think is the path I want for it. It's just the way I do things.
I've always found that (for the most part) if you don't feed the trolls, they will eventually go elsewhere for their noursishment and attention and often times moderators do not need to step in.
However, personal attacks and e-peen measuring like what is happening in the "Good Night" thread are just detrimental to any legit site. A sad state of affairs that as "adults", we still have to deal with these kinds of posts. Heated discussions and disagreements are one thing, but once it gets personal, that is when there needs to be some moderation. Moderation for the benefit of the site, not for the individuals involved in the exchange.
People should take it to PM, where things can cool down because they don't have an audience for which to perform or they can just flame each other until their keyboard warrior fingers get tired.
Don't think I said you wern't trying, I recall saying "hell, doing" and consistancy is the key, sure you have had 40 mods, but and correct me if I'm wrong. Has there ever been a single set of standard operating procedures that all mods follow? Sure your going on the past...So that means nothing can work? No one can find a new way? Heh we will agree to disagree because I know your wrong, and you know I'm wrong LOL
When I said big guns I didn't just mean you mate, I got jumped on before, I get jumped on everytime LOL
I have said before it's your playground, but by the same token you want a community, that means people who care enough to rattle the cage, to stand by what they believe is best. To stand up and be counted.
Anyhoo I'm off to play some music in the real world he he. Have fun.
Don't think I said you wern't trying, I recall saying "hell, doing" and consistancy is the key, sure you have had 40 mods, but and correct me if I'm wrong. Has there ever been a single set of standard operating procedures that all mods follow? Sure your going on the past...So that means nothing can work? No one can find a new way? Heh we will agree to disagree because I know your wrong, and you know I'm wrong LOL
When I said big guns I didn't just mean you mate, I got jumped on before, I get jumped on everytime LOL
I have said before it's your playground, but by the same token you want a community, that means people who care enough to rattle the cage, to stand by what they believe is best. To stand up and be counted.
Anyhoo I'm off to play some music in the real world he he. Have fun.
I enjoy the cage rattle. I hope you keep it up. After all a site with just me on it seems a bit dull.
Whether we like it or not 2o2p is a name brand that does not have to start from scratch. We are known at PAX and places like that, it's how we define ourselves in the future that will determine how we grow. Tournaments, Xbox events, LANS, publicity, sponsors, will determine the influx of gamers to the site. What do we have that attracts others? The blogs, webcasts and live streams we have are humorous, but the length could be shortened to free up some admin time. (Ie. doodi's bitchout, smooths' corner etc...) Fix the site to cater to the enrolee and then direct them to groups that will cater to them, (I.e. hardcore, casual, underground etc...) I've been here for a while, and there are some groups that go all out and expect their members to do so as well, and then there are groups that are just pure goofiness and want to have fun no matter what. People within those groups are a mix, but in the end if you are in the group that fits you the best you are having fun, and you will stick with those guys and gals no matter what. I game with those that are raunchy and funny and decent at gaming. If I truly wanted to go out and recruit people to the site like I used to I would, but I lack the motivation (I'm with a group of guys that has sustained for a while despite losing some to RL and others to leaving the site for their own ventures). Fuck mods,they cant fix this site. Their only purpose at this point in time is to focus conversations towards constructive positive comments versus, critical, bitchy, and knowitall asshole comments that don't help anyone but their ego. If people continue to post shit to show their tangled asshairs, then this site will die by attrition. Get your shit together, post here rather than facebook, twitter, G+, and develop some lasting friendships. Make this the hub...Rau
Whether we like it or not 2o2p is a name brand that does not have to start from scratch. We are known at PAX and places like that, it's how we define ourselves in the future that will determine how we grow. Tournaments, Xbox events, LANS, publicity, sponsors, will determine the influx of gamers to the site. What do we have that attracts others? The blogs, webcasts and live streams we have are humorous, but the length could be shortened to free up some admin time. (Ie. doodi's bitchout, smooths' corner etc...) Fix the site to cater to the enrolee and then direct them to groups that will cater to them, (I.e. hardcore, casual, underground etc...) I've been here for a while, and there are some groups that go all out and expect their members to do so as well, and then there are groups that are just pure goofiness and want to have fun no matter what. People within those groups are a mix, but in the end if you are in the group that fits you the best you are having fun, and you will stick with those guys and gals no matter what. I game with those that are raunchy and funny and decent at gaming. If I truly wanted to go out and recruit people to the site like I used to I would, but I lack the motivation (I'm with a group of guys that has sustained for a while despite losing some to RL and others to leaving the site for their own ventures). Fuck mods,they cant fix this site. Their only purpose at this point in time is to focus conversations towards constructive positive comments versus, critical, bitchy, and knowitall asshole comments that don't help anyone but their ego. If people continue to post shit to show their tangled asshairs, then this site will die by attrition. Get your shit together, post here rather than facebook, twitter, G+, and develop some lasting friendships. Make this the hub...Rau
Wow, that was pretty well said...... and it came from Rau.
I still come here at least once a day to see what the fuck is going on thanks to people that post shit they find on the interwebs. It's like a central gaming hub for me. I got all my E3 content from this site this year. We're all old busy fucks who don't have time to go to a bunch of places to see what the hell is going on in gaming land. If someone sees something cool and they could share it here every once in a while, that would help out.
The fanboys shitting on each other needs to go. No one gives a shit you've replaced the green light ring with a flesh light and are legally married in 3 states. We're all gamers and it's great you love the xbox1, ps4, pc, or whatever. Make positive posts about what you love and stay out of the ones you don't care about because you'll make the topic unreadable for those looking for more information.
That brings me to the subject of when did so many of you become pussies getting your feelings hurt by what people say on the internet? As a little girl named Lisa would say "0 fucks given".
I don't know shit about attracting new people because I don't know what they're looking for. But I'll throw in something that I hope contributes. I get what I want from this site by what doodi and D have provided and that's why I stay. I'm OG so I know I have to wade through some dipshit posts in a topic to find what I'm looking for. I'm used to it. A new person isn't going to put up with that shit. So, whatever changes are made, it should be kept simple. I have no fucking clue how to do that.
For you guys that like to show your epeen so much:
Rock smashes penis
Paper cuts penis 1000 times
Scissors cuts penis off
Lizard eats penis
Spock vulcan death grips penis and penis falls off
Quit playing epeen games, you'll lose your penis every time.
I still come here at least once a day to see what the fuck is going on thanks to people that post shit they find on the interwebs. It's like a central gaming hub for me. I got all my E3 content from this site this year. We're all old busy fucks who don't have time to go to a bunch of places to see what the hell is going on in gaming land. If someone sees something cool and they could share it here every once in a while, that would help out.
The fanboys shitting on each other needs to go. No one gives a shit you've replaced the green light ring with a flesh light and are legally married in 3 states. We're all gamers and it's great you love the xbox1, ps4, pc, or whatever. Make positive posts about what you love and stay out of the ones you don't care about because you'll make the topic unreadable for those looking for more information.
That brings me to the subject of when did so many of you become pussies getting your feelings hurt by what people say on the internet? As a little girl named Lisa would say "0 fucks given".
I don't know shit about attracting new people because I don't know what they're looking for. But I'll throw in something that I hope contributes. I get what I want from this site by what doodi and D have provided and that's why I stay. I'm OG so I know I have to wade through some dipshit posts in a topic to find what I'm looking for. I'm used to it. A new person isn't going to put up with that shit. So, whatever changes are made, it should be kept simple. I have no fucking clue how to do that.
For you guys that like to show your epeen so much:
Rock smashes penis
Paper cuts penis 1000 times
Scissors cuts penis off
Lizard eats penis
Spock vulcan death grips penis and penis falls off
Quit playing epeen games, you'll lose your penis every time.
So says the Sandy Vagina.
Sadly, I agree with T3. I dont' think I will ever understand how people manage to get offended talking about video games. The day that happens I would seriously need to rethink my priorities in life.
As adults you would think should be able to moderate ourselves. The ignore function is an excellent idea, but we all have an internal ignore button and by the looks of it most people rarely use it and continue to read the offenders posts anyway. I don't because I find the inflammatory posts mildly amusing. Hopefully with the physical ignore feature once the offender's post is out of sight people will forget it.
The closed system worked for a while when everyone was playing practically the same game and needed to weed out the masses to find the group that had their same taste in play style. Now with the limited game life cycle and a massive amount of titles to play, I think Doodi is right in trying to make a change to make it easier to find people playing the same thing. This site for me has always been about finding other gamers to game with. The gaming news and content is nice, and it does bring in new members looking for that, but at the end of the day we all want to play games and play with people we have fun with.
I don't because I find the inflammatory posts mildly amusing.
I find them hilarious and they are one of the reasons I come back here. Look at the jump in posts since the shit started flying around here. Bring it on!
I'm glad you're still doing it Doodi. I know you're busy and you have to listen to a lot of complaining and armchair quarterbacking. I think you're right about forums. I think it's just a change. People have moved to other things. I like not being a part of a clan or group. I get to play with a lot of different people and having a closed community doesn't promote that.
Thats simply not true. 2o2p has gone through upwards to 40 moderators since its birth. Admins (IE me and D) rarely (if ever) intervene in any nonsense here on this board. We did in the part, but quickly found out that people enjoy "fighting against the man" more then they do listening to reason. We've had moderators from every walk of life and clan on this board and in every case the general membership chimes in to talk about how poorly a job they do. At one point we had 6 different clans represented as moderators.
Honestly, its all just a bunch of bull. People in general always think they know how to do it better. Many of those people have gone on to be moderators here and find out quick how thankless this "job" is. We've had the majority of our moderators step down or fade away simply because of it as well. I'm not saying your points are not valid, however I've been doing this long enough to see what works and what doesn't. More moderators simply doesn't work.
To go into more detail about this all you have to do is turn to clans. If a member of a clan comes out into the main forums and has a disagreement with someone on the site they will get moderated. Well then the entire clan feels the need to come out and defend their "buddy" even at the cost of reason. Keep in mind this is generally not a one sided issue and the same thing will happen with the other party as well. More then likely its because both parties decided to engage in being a jackass, but neither would like to admit it. So now the mod is left to close the thread or repremand the individual. This leads to at least one of the parties being upset with how they were modded. Thats a lose lose scenario.
Again, 2old2play was never built to be a MATURE older gamers site. For some reason people use this mantra as if they read it in a tag line somewhere on the site; they haven't. I assuse you neither I nor Derek or ANY of the founding members of 2o2p built this place to act mature. If people act up or the main forums have a jack ass in it, then ignore them or better yet I'd rather build in better methods to self moderate that users posts. Because at the end of the day, Moderators are never going to see eye to eye with YOUR ideals of the perfect forum or context of content. So wouldn't it be better to not have to agree? Just block and move on.
You know I believe I am actually a mod on the 2euro2play and 2retro2play forums. I believe I have had to take one action in about 3 years. That's because Europeans are just such a peaceful and loving bunch. And also because no one posts there anymore.
I would agree with Doodi on the mod debate. If some idiot posts trolling remarks about you/your mother/your favourite game, just ignore them. Troll gets bored, goes away and problem solved.
This is the ignore button. Mind you, it doesn't have to be real, or even pixelated...instead of going to your happy place, send them instead...
My problem is, and this is me, I'll do that and then the turd actually posts something reasonably constructive and I slip and ignore my ignore button...and then I'm shown the error of my ways.
BTW, I am amazed at my track record of posting shit Doodi agrees on, I DO have a rep to maintain Doodi....
( I just had to add "turd" to the dictionary...sad)
Since I have been "moderating" 2old2rpg I think the only thing I do there is modify the computer building thread infrequently and accept applications to join. From what I am told, there has only been one person "diciplined" in the history of the clan.
Amazingly, thanks to 2old2play, there is a few of these guys I know personally now. Like call them on the phone and say "hey, how is the wife and kids"? One guy lives in the next town over.
Back on point, I have always felt that 2old2play was a great place to meet up with people that want to play the same game. Everyone is older and most understand if you have to drop a game because of a family issue. There are many people here that are serious about their gaming if you are into that thing.
I'm all for streamlined less heavy board. The scripts here seems to slow down more than anything. vBulletin 4.2 FTW. Just make one gaming forum and a couple other general ones (FPS, RPG, Racing, Fighting) and you can make threads within those for certain games. Such as:
Halo 4 - General
Halo 4 - Game Nights
Halo 4 - ???
You only really need a couple threads per game and then they're all together and you see a lot more stuff. Everything nonspecific goes to the main gaming forum. And then just have one Offtopic board.
im not trying to argue, but I don't think this will work. I for one don't want to have to scroll through other FPS threads to get to the "lets play Halo 3" thread. I also think threads that are too general get too big. If you can't check the forum for a few days, you may have 60 new posts in a general game thread.
*edited to add: I am EXTREMELY lazy, even when it comes to scrolling through posts lol*
You don't have to - you can subscribe to threads you post in, in vBulletin. Then just go to your user control panel and all your threads are there. it's like your own little "board". Plus if a thread gets too big just lock it and start a "v2" thread.
General threads would be like "hey this game is coming out, let's discuss!" or "there's a new update, etc, etc"
I mean, I don't know how you'd change how much people post. Not sure your issue... or the solution. There's too many posts in a thread so you'd rather have to check 10 threads instead of follow through one?
...cough ...high maintenance...cough...
Lol@ Oldschool
I get it now Shadow and sorry I misquoted you. I totally lose my shit if someone does that to me lol!
hey, you! I just updated my comment, sorry. lol.
speaking of long threads....
http://www.2old2play.com/forum/talk-back/topic/goodnight-thread-and-nowlatest-news-dont-be-dick-498574
seems like everyone likes posting in that one.
Thats where I got my example from! I miss a few days and that thread has way too many posts. Luckily, it's the kind of thread that's mostly randomness, so I'm not missing vital gaming information if I don't read the unread posts lol.
Lol! In a way it's funny, but in a way it's sad. I feel like I have to start posts with "I'm not trying to argue" or "you know I luv ya Deep" (lol) so no one thinks I'm starting a fight.
I don't think you're fighting, we're cool
I was just trying to explain how other boards can work.
The problem is territoriality and cliques. None of that crap exists over in the garage. I don't get it myself.
FACT
Well yes and no...Like I said over on The Goodnight Thread, the regulars there could be seen as a clique...and indeed have been, I remember someone coming on and asking if it was okay if they joined in...and that is just a randam silly fun thread. Wherever there are large groups of people they will break into smaller groups or cliques. But closed groups is another thing, I was brought around from being adamantly opposed to now being very pro opening up the whole site.
Did I ever say it was easy? Where did I say it was fun? Where did I say more moderators? It's a thankless job on the whole. Again I say there is little to no what would be called moderation here, there is people called mods who engage in slanging matches out in the open...Look I really don't care that much, I have a good time here, I try to add to the site, I try to be a positive and active member, but don't tell me black is white and because you have the keys to the door you know more than me. I speak from my own experience, and my own knowledge of what has worked for me in the past.
I have a heep of admiration for you Dood, and your crew. What you are trying to do here...Well hell not trying, doing here is great. But I do get a little pissed at being told I don't know what I'm talking about.
Sure there are some things about this site that are a little different, but not hugely. I've dealt with rival groups before, lost sleep, nearly lost friends, I know what being a mod entails, I don't say this stuff lightly or from ignorance. Nor do I say it needs to be heavy handed, far from it, my mantra was always, everything in moderation, especially moderation.
I have been berated before for commenting on moderation, but you want opinion, you ask for input, so I give it. You say you know better...fine. I'll shut up. but I have to say my piece first, it's not an attack, it's an educated opinion. But I find it interesting that this subject brings out the big guns more than any other...
Like I say that is my opinion, throw it aside by all means
Did I say somewhere in there I didn't really care? Well I take that back, I do feckin care or I would not bother my arse now would I?.gif "32")
Well I never said that you said it was easy either. It's not. However I don't agree with your assessment and that's ok. We can both agree to disagree. I'm sure you have tons of experience in this matter and I make no assumptions otherwise. However I'm going on what happens and has happened here on 2o2p for the past 8 years. We've had every type of moderator in the world on this site. Heavy handed ones, follow the rules ones, silent ones (like has been suggested) and so on. More conflict has come from moderation than from less. Maybe its the wrong moderators, maybe not. I just find it hard to believe that all 40ish moderators we've had have been the wrong choice.
As for the big guns coming out, I've been in this topic well before we even discussed moderation. It's not something I mind discussing and am totally open to speaking more about it. I do find it a bit offense to suggest that we're not trying here, but I suppose we've been called worse. I'd figure that the changes I'm talking about side wide would be indication enough that I care. I work on 2o2p daily and love the site as if it were my child. I want nothing more for it to be a great place for gamers. However I have to still stay true to what I think is the path I want for it. It's just the way I do things.
I've always found that (for the most part) if you don't feed the trolls, they will eventually go elsewhere for their noursishment and attention and often times moderators do not need to step in.
However, personal attacks and e-peen measuring like what is happening in the "Good Night" thread are just detrimental to any legit site. A sad state of affairs that as "adults", we still have to deal with these kinds of posts. Heated discussions and disagreements are one thing, but once it gets personal, that is when there needs to be some moderation. Moderation for the benefit of the site, not for the individuals involved in the exchange.
People should take it to PM, where things can cool down because they don't have an audience for which to perform or they can just flame each other until their keyboard warrior fingers get tired.
Don't think I said you wern't trying, I recall saying "hell, doing" and consistancy is the key, sure you have had 40 mods, but and correct me if I'm wrong. Has there ever been a single set of standard operating procedures that all mods follow? Sure your going on the past...So that means nothing can work? No one can find a new way? Heh we will agree to disagree because I know your wrong, and you know I'm wrong LOL
When I said big guns I didn't just mean you mate, I got jumped on before, I get jumped on everytime LOL
I have said before it's your playground, but by the same token you want a community, that means people who care enough to rattle the cage, to stand by what they believe is best. To stand up and be counted.
Anyhoo I'm off to play some music in the real world he he. Have fun.
I enjoy the cage rattle. I hope you keep it up. After all a site with just me on it seems a bit dull.
Heh, no worries Dood, I have too many pals here to go anywhere, and I do love the odd cage rattle.
Whether we like it or not 2o2p is a name brand that does not have to start from scratch. We are known at PAX and places like that, it's how we define ourselves in the future that will determine how we grow. Tournaments, Xbox events, LANS, publicity, sponsors, will determine the influx of gamers to the site. What do we have that attracts others? The blogs, webcasts and live streams we have are humorous, but the length could be shortened to free up some admin time. (Ie. doodi's bitchout, smooths' corner etc...) Fix the site to cater to the enrolee and then direct them to groups that will cater to them, (I.e. hardcore, casual, underground etc...) I've been here for a while, and there are some groups that go all out and expect their members to do so as well, and then there are groups that are just pure goofiness and want to have fun no matter what. People within those groups are a mix, but in the end if you are in the group that fits you the best you are having fun, and you will stick with those guys and gals no matter what. I game with those that are raunchy and funny and decent at gaming. If I truly wanted to go out and recruit people to the site like I used to I would, but I lack the motivation (I'm with a group of guys that has sustained for a while despite losing some to RL and others to leaving the site for their own ventures). Fuck mods,they cant fix this site. Their only purpose at this point in time is to focus conversations towards constructive positive comments versus, critical, bitchy, and knowitall asshole comments that don't help anyone but their ego. If people continue to post shit to show their tangled asshairs, then this site will die by attrition. Get your shit together, post here rather than facebook, twitter, G+, and develop some lasting friendships. Make this the hub...Rau
Wow, that was pretty well said...... and it came from Rau.
I still come here at least once a day to see what the fuck is going on thanks to people that post shit they find on the interwebs. It's like a central gaming hub for me. I got all my E3 content from this site this year. We're all old busy fucks who don't have time to go to a bunch of places to see what the hell is going on in gaming land. If someone sees something cool and they could share it here every once in a while, that would help out.
The fanboys shitting on each other needs to go. No one gives a shit you've replaced the green light ring with a flesh light and are legally married in 3 states. We're all gamers and it's great you love the xbox1, ps4, pc, or whatever. Make positive posts about what you love and stay out of the ones you don't care about because you'll make the topic unreadable for those looking for more information.
That brings me to the subject of when did so many of you become pussies getting your feelings hurt by what people say on the internet? As a little girl named Lisa would say "0 fucks given".
I don't know shit about attracting new people because I don't know what they're looking for. But I'll throw in something that I hope contributes. I get what I want from this site by what doodi and D have provided and that's why I stay. I'm OG so I know I have to wade through some dipshit posts in a topic to find what I'm looking for. I'm used to it. A new person isn't going to put up with that shit. So, whatever changes are made, it should be kept simple. I have no fucking clue how to do that.
For you guys that like to show your epeen so much:
Rock smashes penis
Paper cuts penis 1000 times
Scissors cuts penis off
Lizard eats penis
Spock vulcan death grips penis and penis falls off
Quit playing epeen games, you'll lose your penis every time.
So says the Sandy Vagina.
Sadly, I agree with T3. I dont' think I will ever understand how people manage to get offended talking about video games. The day that happens I would seriously need to rethink my priorities in life.
As adults you would think should be able to moderate ourselves. The ignore function is an excellent idea, but we all have an internal ignore button and by the looks of it most people rarely use it and continue to read the offenders posts anyway. I don't because I find the inflammatory posts mildly amusing. Hopefully with the physical ignore feature once the offender's post is out of sight people will forget it.
The closed system worked for a while when everyone was playing practically the same game and needed to weed out the masses to find the group that had their same taste in play style. Now with the limited game life cycle and a massive amount of titles to play, I think Doodi is right in trying to make a change to make it easier to find people playing the same thing. This site for me has always been about finding other gamers to game with. The gaming news and content is nice, and it does bring in new members looking for that, but at the end of the day we all want to play games and play with people we have fun with.
I find them hilarious and they are one of the reasons I come back here. Look at the jump in posts since the shit started flying around here. Bring it on!
I'm glad you're still doing it Doodi. I know you're busy and you have to listen to a lot of complaining and armchair quarterbacking. I think you're right about forums. I think it's just a change. People have moved to other things. I like not being a part of a clan or group. I get to play with a lot of different people and having a closed community doesn't promote that.