Around when Gears 2 came out I saw an ad for this site on the xbox dashboard. It was one of those community mixer nights, and it had a little blurb about 2o2p being a site for 25+ gamers. A chance to finally get away from Timmy was too good to pass up so of course I had to go and check the site out. I think if we could get the name out there more, that would help quite a bit. There's got to be someone on the site with a hook up in Machinima or 343 or something who can get the site mentioned and talked about. Bringing in more people will make more content.
Once people get here they're naturally going to move into clans, so to help keep more traffic on the main site we should do events. Someone ran a tournament for custom maps in Reach not long ago, that got people posting in the Halo forum. If someone's got a Youtube channel they could hold contests for the best weekly clips of a certain game and upload those. Even just random mixers for obscure arcade games. Something to get people playing something aside from their clan's main game.
A site sponsored gaming vid that gets highlighted on Waypoint would be great. I thought someone here did one for that? Memory ...
If a Halo vid of sufficient quality was submitted by a member then I could try getting it on the front page of HBO and Waypoint.
ill start out by saying im not reading all 10 pages of this thread but i have been talking to clan mates and have the concept. here is my .02
As a person who use to post lot in the main forum and no post mostly in my clans forum. i think its a force of habit. i found a group of guys i can bullshit with and i post in the forum there. i got out of the habit of posting in the main forums due to comfort. i was comfortable in the clan forums. im now making a effort to post in both. ive been here for about 5 and a half years some of the time ive been active some of the time not at all. the people make this site. there is a wealth of knowledge here, about everything. some are great people some are assholes. so make a effort to post in the main forums. there are many things ive posted in my clan forum that could have went out here in the main.
Here is my point, if the business model is flawed then it must be changed. A website is a liquid entity and thus has flexibility. Every web site I've been to that is gaming based has a forum, the forum is a result of content and traffic not the draw. 2old2play may have defined itself but to compete with the other products out there it needs to find out if enough people identify with that definition/product and make sure that they are reaching that audience. 2old2play has to network itself into the games that draw big populations and target gamers and be active with that audience. Once you gain that customer base then you have to continue to be involved with them and create content that they want.
I apologize if I repeat stuff, it's just how my ideas flow. I work in community banking which is a challenge everyday, this challenging environment is no different. 2old2play needs a meeting of the minds to develop a course of action. 2old2play needs a plan of content, culture, personality, a mission.
Maybe 2old2play needs a strategic planning session. Here are some important questions:
What is our unique product/experience?
What makes 2old2play a unique experience?
What kind of quality product do we offer?
How do we retain our customers and engage them?
How do we utilize our resources and talent to network and augment our relations with game development companies? etc...
How do we market it effectively?
How much time and money do we have to dedicate to different resources?
We have a lot of creative talented people involved in this community, it is our greatest resource. Let's be positive and engage and figure it out
doodirock is entertaining the subject of Clans on TnT tonight. He's got balls, for now.
Touchy subject to bring up so soon. The Chat lines are kind of laggy so expect some frustration there. That's a Twitchtv problem I think or maybe it depends on the PC.
If people are having problems go directly to twitchtv.com and search for 2old2play. Tonights TnT show should come right up.
I hope people will remember what one person says in Chat, is not said for everyone but is just their opinion.
I'll try to get on but the Over 50 will take me away about 7:30 Central.
. . . . . . we organize race series that go on for weeks, and as one ends another takes it place.... . . .. But it's the organized series that are our real strength.
This seems to be a big difference between Forza and all other franchises with the exception of Halo: structure. Both groups are active posters. Unfortunately I despise organization and structure, so can't I bring myself to admit there may a positive relationship in any of this.
You know it's amazing how folk take one thing out of context and create an entire thing out of it...My point was simply, is the kind of thing I was talking about right on the forum that is open to attract new people in...not censoring, not banning, just a place for everything and everything in its place. Our forum has one of those threads, I have never as much a uttered a peep about it, I am not offended by it, shake my head sadly sometimes when I do drop by with an amusing thing I have found that fits nowhere else but the Extreme Thread of LOL but say anything? comment on anything? demand it is removed? No. Why would I? It is in its place. Outside that thread we still take the piss, but little to no profanity...guess that is just the way it has always been, it was like that when I arrived and shows no sign of changing, I'm not suggesting for one minute every forum should be the same, I don't give a monkeys how other folk are in their own forums, it is none of my business.
Doodi made the open forums every ones business, not me. I was happy behind our walls. So please when responding to one of my posts, don't add an inaccurate picture of me and respond to that picture, don't read in an angry tone, an arrogant tone or a frustrated tone. It simply is not there. I'm calmly chilled on my settee, cup of tea permanently beside me, not at all stressed, and at the moment a little tired.
Poke me with a stick I'll poke back, tackle an idea with an opposing one I'll consider it, have a little think and if I think I can defend my view I will. If not, no bother it's just an idea. I'm not putting a gun to anyone head.
Conversations on forums are unnatural, stilted, linear. It is easy to misinterpreted, or on the posters side not be completely clear .
Also just so you know I'm 1% through and through, a whisky drinking, tequila slurping, weed smoking son of a bitch. So disabuse yourselves of any idea that I'm some wishy washy liberal.
A long haired sword wielding gimp wearing a tin can confused for a liberal? Yeah okay. And feel free to correct me if I missed or misrepresented anything. (I'll leave out the odd accent as that's probably a simple point of view...)
Hell, even the word liberal is different there versus here so who cares?
I guess all Knights saying is, and I've seen Cotter in lobby's worry about it, is how this place is publically perceived, not what goes on behind the curtain. And that's all it is. Knight personal sensibilities aren't offended, he's just worried about the first impression someone has when they stumble in, nothing more.
So, I think it would be great if someone (Doodi) would step up and state what the hell this place IS all about and what that first impression SHOULD be, and we can put this damn thread to rest. ( In stuffy work type places, this is probably something like a mission statement.) Seems like a mid life identity crisis to me.
So, I think it would be great if someone (Doodi) would step up and state what the hell this place IS all about and what that first impression SHOULD be, and we can put this damn thread to rest. ( In stuffy work type places, this is probably something like a mission statement.) Seems like a mid life identity crisis to me.
To be fair, this thread isn't about boobs or NSFW, it's about "Do Clans Help - OR - Hinder 2old2play" and it was derailed. I'd like to keep that portion of this thread moving along since I think there are been some exceptional feed back here. In terms of corporate speak, I've always said that 2old2play is a place where aging gamers can meet and play with one another in an adult environment.
I don't believe in long drawn out mission statements that go into great detail. That seems more like a terms of service at that point. In fact the more accurate statement is posted on our logo and branding. We're a community for older gamers. We exist to provide a sanctuary for our demographic and foster camaraderie. For the most part we do just that. Although I think we lack respect for each other when it comes to people out side our clan/groups.
"2old2play, a place where aging gamers can meet and play with one another in an adult environment".
There doesn't have to be any long drawn out anything, that nails it right there, if it's accurate. I don't like that "aging" crack too much though...
To the OP, "Clans" by nature are insular, and I sense you're trying to avoid that. And being insular, lack of respect for other "clans" is a common byproduct, sometimes brought about by lack of familiarity, sometimes by competition, sometimes by kidnapping the women of the other clan and ...wait, I digress.
"2old2play, a place where aging gamers can meet and play with one another in an adult environment".
There doesn't have to be any long drawn out anything, that nails it right there, if it's accurate. I don't like that "aging" crack too much though...
To the OP, "Clans" by nature are insular, and I sense you're trying to avoid that. And being insular, lack of respect for other "clans" is a common byproduct, sometimes brought about by lack of familiarity, sometimes by competition, sometimes by kidnapping the women of the other clan and ...wait, I digress.
Anyway, there's my opinion, such as it is.
And it's an opinion I agree with.
I wouldn't take the above quote as our actual mission statement (I hate the word aging as well). It's just what I personally think of when asked about what 2o2p is. I'm sure a word smith could lay it out better.
The site seemed a bit busier when we were in V2 for the public forums. I don't belong to a clan and have not since NoD was dissolved years ago. While I miss out on a more active group of posts and replys, I also don't want to limit myself to just my clan.
I don't see a problem with clans existing, but I do think it has a negetive effect on the site for the last 15k members who joined. Do they all have a place? For as many people as we have on this site, you would think we only have around 40 because of the lack of action.
The site seemed a bit busier when we were in V2 for the public forums. I don't belong to a clan and have not since NoD was dissolved years ago. While I miss out on a more active group of posts and replys, I also don't want to limit myself to just my clan.
I don't see a problem with clans existing, but I do think it has a negetive effect on the site for the last 15k members who joined. Do they all have a place? For as many people as we have on this site, you would think we only have around 40 because of the lack of action.
I've found it hard to stay connected with my Clan. We played a lot when I was playing Halo 3 and Gears 2, but now that I alost exclusively play Battlefield 3 I pretty much never play with 2o2p West.
Or...you could just post some stuff? Which I think was the point in the first place. I think we came full circle.
You will have some categories that get updated all the time...and some that have the same two topics up for a month....which in turn leads people to just ignore the dam bar altogether.
Anyone remember the Clan Spotlight section on the old front page? 2old2pwn was on it for something like 13 months. No one would submit a profile to replace ours....so I imagine after a while folks just saw that as more clutter on the front page.
Or...you could just post some stuff? Which I think was the point in the first place. I think we came full circle.
You will have some categories that get updated all the time...and some that have the same two topics up for a month....which in turn leads people to just ignore the dam bar altogether.
Anyone remember the Clan Spotlight section on the old front page? 2old2pwn was on it for something like 13 months. No one would submit a profile to replace ours....so I imagine after a while folks just saw that as more clutter on the front page.
What a shockingly accurate coherent articulate observation from a large hairy assumably opulent ( haven't met the bear personally ) admittedly straight forward black n white kinda guy, err, bear...
I just didn't want our crap to piss everyone off all over that box...
Or...you could just post some stuff? Which I think was the point in the first place. I think we came full circle.
You will have some categories that get updated all the time...and some that have the same two topics up for a month....which in turn leads people to just ignore the dam bar altogether.
Anyone remember the Clan Spotlight section on the old front page? 2old2pwn was on it for something like 13 months. No one would submit a profile to replace ours....so I imagine after a while folks just saw that as more clutter on the front page.
What a shockingly accurate coherent articulate observation from a large hairy assumably opulent ( haven't met the bear personally ) admittedly straight forward black n white kinda guy, err, bear...
I just didn't want our crap to piss everyone off all over that box...
Or...you could just post some stuff? Which I think was the point in the first place. I think we came full circle.
You will have some categories that get updated all the time...and some that have the same two topics up for a month....which in turn leads people to just ignore the dam bar altogether.
Anyone remember the Clan Spotlight section on the old front page? 2old2pwn was on it for something like 13 months. No one would submit a profile to replace ours....so I imagine after a while folks just saw that as more clutter on the front page.
What a shockingly accurate coherent articulate observation from a large hairy assumably opulent ( haven't met the bear personally ) admittedly straight forward black n white kinda guy, err, bear...
I just didn't want our crap to piss everyone off all over that box...
+1.
Don't go all politically correct on me now! If someone has their panties in a knot about not being on trending window...all they have to do is post and rally their troops.
Or...you could just post some stuff? Which I think was the point in the first place. I think we came full circle.
You will have some categories that get updated all the time...and some that have the same two topics up for a month....which in turn leads people to just ignore the dam bar altogether.
Anyone remember the Clan Spotlight section on the old front page? 2old2pwn was on it for something like 13 months. No one would submit a profile to replace ours....so I imagine after a while folks just saw that as more clutter on the front page.
What a shockingly accurate coherent articulate observation from a large hairy assumably opulent ( haven't met the bear personally ) admittedly straight forward black n white kinda guy, err, bear...
I just didn't want our crap to piss everyone off all over that box...
+1.
Don't go all politically correct on me now! If someone has their panties in a knot about not being on trending window...all they have to do is post and rally their troops.
Or...you could just post some stuff? Which I think was the point in the first place. I think we came full circle.
You will have some categories that get updated all the time...and some that have the same two topics up for a month....which in turn leads people to just ignore the dam bar altogether.
Anyone remember the Clan Spotlight section on the old front page? 2old2pwn was on it for something like 13 months. No one would submit a profile to replace ours....so I imagine after a while folks just saw that as more clutter on the front page.
What a shockingly accurate coherent articulate observation from a large hairy assumably opulent ( haven't met the bear personally ) admittedly straight forward black n white kinda guy, err, bear...
I just didn't want our crap to piss everyone off all over that box...
+1.
Don't go all politically correct on me now! If someone has their panties in a knot about not being on trending window...all they have to do is post and rally their troops.
Oh...and you are correct...opulence...I has it.
Did I say opulent? I meant corpulent...
I prefer to think of myself as "the big motherfucker who is making it out of the burning building." These little skinny folks don't have a chance. I throw the crowd aside and make a Walla shaped hole through the door.
I tend to agree with Walla (WTF IS WRONG WITH ME). The point of the trending topic is to show what 2o2p is chatting about in the public forums. Instead of limiting what shows up, I'd rather focus on getting more people chatting about more things. I have no doubt that when Halo 4 is launched you will see A LOT more posts on that block. That can probably be said for Borderlands 2 as well.
Side note: The trending block calculates itself every hour on the hour. That means topics have the opportunity to move fairly quickly depending on views and replys. So unlike a lot of other sites where a top post is there all day, these posts have a chance to be moved up or down every hour. It should mean a more varied amount of posts assuming the public forum gets more traffic.
What 2o4F did is a huge step, and quite honestly the biggest we've seen from a clan on 2o2p since we started. I'm sure it's going to take a long long time to see how it affects the site, but I'll keep an eye on the trending info regardless. After all, the Bacon thread needs love too!
If a Halo vid of sufficient quality was submitted by a member then I could try getting it on the front page of HBO and Waypoint.
ill start out by saying im not reading all 10 pages of this thread but i have been talking to clan mates and have the concept. here is my .02
As a person who use to post lot in the main forum and no post mostly in my clans forum. i think its a force of habit. i found a group of guys i can bullshit with and i post in the forum there. i got out of the habit of posting in the main forums due to comfort. i was comfortable in the clan forums. im now making a effort to post in both. ive been here for about 5 and a half years some of the time ive been active some of the time not at all. the people make this site. there is a wealth of knowledge here, about everything. some are great people some are assholes. so make a effort to post in the main forums. there are many things ive posted in my clan forum that could have went out here in the main.
bring back the NSFW topic i like naked bitches!!
Here is my point, if the business model is flawed then it must be changed. A website is a liquid entity and thus has flexibility. Every web site I've been to that is gaming based has a forum, the forum is a result of content and traffic not the draw. 2old2play may have defined itself but to compete with the other products out there it needs to find out if enough people identify with that definition/product and make sure that they are reaching that audience. 2old2play has to network itself into the games that draw big populations and target gamers and be active with that audience. Once you gain that customer base then you have to continue to be involved with them and create content that they want.
I apologize if I repeat stuff, it's just how my ideas flow. I work in community banking which is a challenge everyday, this challenging environment is no different. 2old2play needs a meeting of the minds to develop a course of action. 2old2play needs a plan of content, culture, personality, a mission.
Maybe 2old2play needs a strategic planning session. Here are some important questions:
What is our unique product/experience?
What makes 2old2play a unique experience?
What kind of quality product do we offer?
How do we retain our customers and engage them?
How do we utilize our resources and talent to network and augment our relations with game development companies? etc...
How do we market it effectively?
How much time and money do we have to dedicate to different resources?
We have a lot of creative talented people involved in this community, it is our greatest resource. Let's be positive and engage and figure it out
Damn just brought up the same thing in another thread...Right with you on that.
I have a suggestion, Stop giving out site points for Clan forum Activity.
doodirock is entertaining the subject of Clans on TnT tonight. He's got balls, for now.
Touchy subject to bring up so soon. The Chat lines are kind of laggy so expect some frustration there. That's a Twitchtv problem I think or maybe it depends on the PC.
If people are having problems go directly to twitchtv.com and search for 2old2play. Tonights TnT show should come right up.
I hope people will remember what one person says in Chat, is not said for everyone but is just their opinion.
I'll try to get on but the Over 50 will take me away about 7:30 Central.
This seems to be a big difference between Forza and all other franchises with the exception of Halo: structure. Both groups are active posters. Unfortunately I despise organization and structure, so can't I bring myself to admit there may a positive relationship in any of this.
You know it's amazing how folk take one thing out of context and create an entire thing out of it...My point was simply, is the kind of thing I was talking about right on the forum that is open to attract new people in...not censoring, not banning, just a place for everything and everything in its place. Our forum has one of those threads, I have never as much a uttered a peep about it, I am not offended by it, shake my head sadly sometimes when I do drop by with an amusing thing I have found that fits nowhere else but the Extreme Thread of LOL but say anything? comment on anything? demand it is removed? No. Why would I? It is in its place. Outside that thread we still take the piss, but little to no profanity...guess that is just the way it has always been, it was like that when I arrived and shows no sign of changing, I'm not suggesting for one minute every forum should be the same, I don't give a monkeys how other folk are in their own forums, it is none of my business.
Doodi made the open forums every ones business, not me. I was happy behind our walls. So please when responding to one of my posts, don't add an inaccurate picture of me and respond to that picture, don't read in an angry tone, an arrogant tone or a frustrated tone. It simply is not there. I'm calmly chilled on my settee, cup of tea permanently beside me, not at all stressed, and at the moment a little tired.
Poke me with a stick I'll poke back, tackle an idea with an opposing one I'll consider it, have a little think and if I think I can defend my view I will. If not, no bother it's just an idea. I'm not putting a gun to anyone head.
Conversations on forums are unnatural, stilted, linear. It is easy to misinterpreted, or on the posters side not be completely clear .
Also just so you know I'm 1% through and through, a whisky drinking, tequila slurping, weed smoking son of a bitch. So disabuse yourselves of any idea that I'm some wishy washy liberal.
A long haired sword wielding gimp wearing a tin can confused for a liberal? Yeah okay. And feel free to correct me if I missed or misrepresented anything. (I'll leave out the odd accent as that's probably a simple point of view...)
Hell, even the word liberal is different there versus here so who cares?
I guess all Knights saying is, and I've seen Cotter in lobby's worry about it, is how this place is publically perceived, not what goes on behind the curtain. And that's all it is. Knight personal sensibilities aren't offended, he's just worried about the first impression someone has when they stumble in, nothing more.
So, I think it would be great if someone (Doodi) would step up and state what the hell this place IS all about and what that first impression SHOULD be, and we can put this damn thread to rest. ( In stuffy work type places, this is probably something like a mission statement.) Seems like a mid life identity crisis to me.
To be fair, this thread isn't about boobs or NSFW, it's about "Do Clans Help - OR - Hinder 2old2play" and it was derailed. I'd like to keep that portion of this thread moving along since I think there are been some exceptional feed back here. In terms of corporate speak, I've always said that 2old2play is a place where aging gamers can meet and play with one another in an adult environment.
I don't believe in long drawn out mission statements that go into great detail. That seems more like a terms of service at that point. In fact the more accurate statement is posted on our logo and branding. We're a community for older gamers. We exist to provide a sanctuary for our demographic and foster camaraderie. For the most part we do just that. Although I think we lack respect for each other when it comes to people out side our clan/groups.
Nail on the head Oldshool...as usual
"2old2play, a place where aging gamers can meet and play with one another in an adult environment".
There doesn't have to be any long drawn out anything, that nails it right there, if it's accurate. I don't like that "aging" crack too much though...
To the OP, "Clans" by nature are insular, and I sense you're trying to avoid that. And being insular, lack of respect for other "clans" is a common byproduct, sometimes brought about by lack of familiarity, sometimes by competition, sometimes by kidnapping the women of the other clan and ...wait, I digress.
Anyway, there's my opinion, such as it is.
And it's an opinion I agree with.
I wouldn't take the above quote as our actual mission statement (I hate the word aging as well). It's just what I personally think of when asked about what 2o2p is. I'm sure a word smith could lay it out better.
Sorry Doodi reknown thread highjacker
Usually it's worth it.
The site seemed a bit busier when we were in V2 for the public forums. I don't belong to a clan and have not since NoD was dissolved years ago. While I miss out on a more active group of posts and replys, I also don't want to limit myself to just my clan.
I don't see a problem with clans existing, but I do think it has a negetive effect on the site for the last 15k members who joined. Do they all have a place? For as many people as we have on this site, you would think we only have around 40 because of the lack of action.
Darksage for life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n3sCabLlNk
@Doodi
ohh this is fucking priceless
subscribed thanks
What is this...and how do I get more of it?
I've found it hard to stay connected with my Clan. We played a lot when I was playing Halo 3 and Gears 2, but now that I alost exclusively play Battlefield 3 I pretty much never play with 2o2p West.
Or...you could just post some stuff? Which I think was the point in the first place. I think we came full circle.
You will have some categories that get updated all the time...and some that have the same two topics up for a month....which in turn leads people to just ignore the dam bar altogether.
Anyone remember the Clan Spotlight section on the old front page? 2old2pwn was on it for something like 13 months. No one would submit a profile to replace ours....so I imagine after a while folks just saw that as more clutter on the front page.
What a shockingly accurate coherent articulate observation from a large hairy assumably opulent ( haven't met the bear personally ) admittedly straight forward black n white kinda guy, err, bear...
I just didn't want our crap to piss everyone off all over that box...
+1.
Don't go all politically correct on me now! If someone has their panties in a knot about not being on trending window...all they have to do is post and rally their troops.
Oh...and you are correct...opulence...I has it.
Did I say opulent? I meant corpulent...
I prefer to think of myself as "the big motherfucker who is making it out of the burning building." These little skinny folks don't have a chance. I throw the crowd aside and make a Walla shaped hole through the door.
I tend to agree with Walla (WTF IS WRONG WITH ME). The point of the trending topic is to show what 2o2p is chatting about in the public forums. Instead of limiting what shows up, I'd rather focus on getting more people chatting about more things. I have no doubt that when Halo 4 is launched you will see A LOT more posts on that block. That can probably be said for Borderlands 2 as well.
Side note: The trending block calculates itself every hour on the hour. That means topics have the opportunity to move fairly quickly depending on views and replys. So unlike a lot of other sites where a top post is there all day, these posts have a chance to be moved up or down every hour. It should mean a more varied amount of posts assuming the public forum gets more traffic.
What 2o4F did is a huge step, and quite honestly the biggest we've seen from a clan on 2o2p since we started. I'm sure it's going to take a long long time to see how it affects the site, but I'll keep an eye on the trending info regardless. After all, the Bacon thread needs love too!
My evil plot has finally come to fruition.