As an adult, if my Internet connection is down for multiple days at a time I would definitely have higher priorities than Halo 15 matchmaking at that time.
Things like, dangerous weather, calling the ISP, or worrying about food because the electricity is out and the fridge isn't cool would be a MUCH higher priority for me than being bummed because I wanted to play Halo while this was happening.
Privacy and law have been around for a while. I have no concern whatsoever even if the NSA is able to legally gain information on console use. I have no reason to be concerned by that at all. If I were a felon or terrorist then I would be concerned. I just am completely unable to care if data is pulled from a court order that includes some bit of information from my Xbox. Why would I ever care? Even if the government looks through all my financial records, watches my gameplay, and listens to my phone calls I still have no reason to be concerned at all. None. Now they know I rarely use needler in Halo 15! Hide the children.
Family plan now allows up to 10 family members to use the same games on any xbox one console, not even just one or multiples in the same house. I already quoted this above and linked to the source.
I'm very much going to enjoy release day purchases of games digitally which saves time and gas money from driving to a retail store.
I still haven't seen any issue that actually has an impact on me as a non-terrorist consumer. YMMV
Here we go, so because Knight lives way out in rural Ireland, which is probably far more rural than you'll ever see anywhere but in a movie, and they have crazy outages because they have but one government contracted internet provider, by cell towers, when they work, he's NOt an adult? Or maybe there are people that exist where their internet connection isn't their sole means of survival and existence...
He's definately an adult and you sir are a pompous passive aggressive putz. I hope you all don't run outa hand lotion, it looks like you go through quite a bit. Feel free to pick at this as well, whatever, cya.
Here we go, so because Knight lives way out in rural Ireland, which is probably far more rural than you'll ever see anywhere but in a movie, and they have crazy outages because they have but one government contracted internet provider, by cell towers, when they work, he's NOt an adult? Or maybe there are people that exist where their internet connection isn't their sole means of survival and existence...
He's definately an adult and you sir are a pompous passive aggressive putz. I hope you all don't run outa hand lotion, it looks like you go through quite a bit. Feel free to pick at this as well, whatever, cya.
I did not claim what you say.
That's all.
edit for clarity: I didn't quote him or specifically mention any individual. You may have jumped to that conclusion, but that is not my fault or intention.
I was refering to my own self and situation. I completely understand that my situation is not everyone's situation.
If I were a kid, then I wouldn't be calling the ISP and such like I mentioned. That is why I wrote the part about being an adult, because many of the concerns that are a priority for an adult would be different for a kid who just wants to game and such.
No offense meant to anyone with my comment at all. I never, not ever, meant people with spotty internet connections are anything but adults. That is completely false, and I'm saddened to see such a conclusion leapt to so readily and followed by personal attacks.
No offense meant to anyone, even if they continue to insult me.
Here we go, so because Knight lives way out in rural Ireland, which is probably far more rural than you'll ever see anywhere but in a movie, and they have crazy outages because they have but one government contracted internet provider, by cell towers, when they work, he's NOt an adult? Or maybe there are people that exist where their internet connection isn't their sole means of survival and existence...
He's definately an adult and you sir are a pompous passive aggressive putz. I hope you all don't run outa hand lotion, it looks like you go through quite a bit. Feel free to pick at this as well, whatever, cya.
I did not claim what you say.
That's all.
edit for clarity: I didn't quote him or specifically mention any individual. You may have jumped to that conclusion, but that is not my fault or intention.
I was refering to my own self and situation. I completely understand that my situation is not everyone's situation.
If I were a kid, then I wouldn't be calling the ISP and such like I mentioned. That is why I wrote the part about being an adult, because many of the concerns that are a priority for an adult would be different for a kid who just wants to game and such.
No offense meant to anyone with my comment at all. I never, not ever, meant people with spotty internet connections are anything but adults. That is completely false, and I'm saddened to see such a conclusion leapt to so readily and followed by personal attacks.
No offense meant to anyone, even if they continue to insult me.
Maybe this is how someone leapt to conclusions on your post:
Autarch wrote:
I still haven't seen any issue that actually has an impact on me as a non-terrorist consumer. YMMV
I mean, do we really need a passive aggressive "terrorist" comment in this thread? This is how the last one went off the rails. The fact is, rural areas have instable internet. It has nothing to do with whether a disaster happened, or if they're doing something wrong, it just happens. And don't pull an Adam Orth and wonder why people live there - they do, and they're happy with it. And it's all worse if the internet is cellular based. That's just barely above satellite as far as instability. MS is overestimating how many people in the US and abroad have decent internet. It likely won't affect me either, but I damn sure know that there are a lot of people who are. Passive aggressive tactics to diminish their arguments only make you harder to take seriously.
Oh, and what happens if XBL goes down for more than a day? Before you say that's not possible, I'm sure Sony thought it wasn't possible at one time either.
I mean, do we really need a passive aggressive "terrorist" comment in this thread? This is how the last one went off the rails. The fact is, rural areas have instable internet. It has nothing to do with whether a disaster happened, or if they're doing something wrong, it just happens. And don't pull an Adam Orth and wonder why people live there - they do, and they're happy with it. And it's all worse if the internet is cellular based. That's just barely above satellite as far as instability. MS is overestimating how many people in the US and abroad have decent internet. It likely won't affect me either, but I damn sure know that there are a lot of people who are. Passive aggressive tactics to diminish their arguments only make you harder to take seriously.
Oh, and what happens if XBL goes down for more than a day? Before you say that's not possible, I'm sure Sony thought it wasn't possible at one time either.
Xbox Live does go down completely from time to time. I don't think it's reasonable to expect that to change, and I think there will be times when the service as a whole has unexpected downtime. It's an excellent concern and point to bring up as it would likely affect every single person trying to play a game on that system.
I see the appeal of living in a very rural area. I wouldn't mind living somewhere surrounded by beautiful countryside, clean air, and be able to see a ton more stars at night. That actually sounds wonderful and I think I wouldn't mind less gaming as a whole for that kind of tradeoff eventually.
It's pretty disappointing that there will be people who can play Xbox 360 just fine now and won't be able to enjoy Xbox One because of this connected decision and simply what's available in their area. There's absolutely no benifit to people with that kind of service and it actually cuts them out of the Xbox market too. To me, it's not a nice decision.
My "terrorist" bit was about the NSA stuff, not about internet service availability. The "spying" concerns don't concern me because I have no reason to think it will ever have a real impact on my life.
The Internet connection requirements won't affect me, but I do completely understand that it will prevent some people from gaming on the Xbox One. I don't like that this was decided personally, despite it not directly affecting me.
I hope this clears things up a bit. Sorry for any confusion
My only internet is mobile broadband so stop trying to be soooo feckin clever. Anyway as certain posters as usual just post to irritate I'm out of this thread as well
My only internet is mobile broadband so stop trying to be soooo feckin clever. Anyway as certain posters as usual just post to irritate I'm out of this thread as well
I hope you're not talking about me. I was stating the 360 already can do that, and the One will as well.....
My only internet is mobile broadband so stop trying to be soooo feckin clever. Anyway as certain posters as usual just post to irritate I'm out of this thread as well
I hope this wasn't meant for me as I was just mentioning the connection type. Oh well
Does 1 xbox live subscrip cover 1 gamertag with Gold and 10 more with Silver or is it one subscription covers all 10 gametags with Gold access?
There is nothing official on this. No word even if "Gold" and "Silver" are going to have the same names, no word on prices, no word on features covered, no word on number of tiers, no word onfamily plan features and prices, and no word on features for Gold from 360 carrying over to Xbox One.
Outside of the people who are concerned (and informed) of the issues we all have with the Xbox One. Does anyone also realize that a good portion of the people buying this console will be parents that buy them for their kids witout question of what they are buying? Most likely to just shut the kid up and let them play games and leave the parents to do whatever they want? Or that the kids wanting one will not pay attention to what this thing is capable of doing?
Outside of the people who are concerned (and informed) of the issues we all have with the Xbox One. Does anyone also realize that a good portion of the people buying this console will be parents that buy them for their kids witout question of what they are buying? Most likely to just shut the kid up and let them play games and leave the parents to do whatever they want? Or that the kids wanting one will not pay attention to what this thing is capable of doing?
That's one of the best, and scariest comments I've seen yet in here.
See, that's just the passive aggressive behavior I'm talking about.
Someone else accused Knight of being upset over equipment that wouldn't work because it couldn't check up on him because of #jailbreak. Passive aggressive bullshit, which is why two or three others have already stomped off and said to hell with it. I'm on my way as well, and here I thought they were over reacting. I was wrong.
You'll just say that's not what you meant, and be all coy, again, but after 20 or 30 times, it's really hard to pull off.
But Knight's right.
Microsoft is saying we don't trust you, you can't be trusted, so we're going to set this up to check on you , only once every 24 hours, or more specifically, if it doesn't your machine won't play your games after that 24 hours elapses. So,whether you did any wrong or not, you've been told you can't be trusted, AND by saying, well, I'm ok with that and buying the thing, knowing full well in advance, you're validating the action/thought process/ they're putting in place. And by doing that a nother precedent is set in place. Just so you can play your game.
If this isn't the definition of sheep, I don't know what is.
I wonder if XBL Gold will go away, since they are forcing you to be online. Nah, they'll just let you use Silver - they wouldn't give up that cash cow even though they're cutting piracy.
I wonder if XBL Gold will go away, since they are forcing you to be online. Nah, they'll just let you use Silver - they wouldn't give up that cash cow even though they're cutting piracy.
/M$
Yeah, there has to be a free level. I can see there being different paid levels though.
Funny how this guy is telling people that they must be wearing tin foil hats too.
Also I'm done with this thread also and I'm sure this will be explained away as well. Glad to see at least a few more members have picked up on the passive aggressive bs in this thread.
don't think of it as a Game/TV console - it is really a subscription Service.
as I mentioned in the locked thread - look at Microsoft's Office 365 business model or Adobe's Creative Cloud subscription model.
when you view the Xbox one this way - all the DRM and Mandatory kinect and the rest is explained.
with the Xbox One, you are no longer buying a Game/Tv console and game discs - you are subscribing to a gaming Service.
and the fine print is in the Terms of Service (TOS) that you click "accept" to on the screen.
just because you have that colorful AAA game box and shiny disc in your hand won't mean that you "own" it anymore.
this is good business$$$ change for MS, but bad for consumers who don't understand this change.
I'm sure Microsoft had teams of accountants and lawyers do the cost benefit of the initial bad press, outrage and boycotts vs the long term revenue they will get.
Well to my utter shock and disbelief another thread that started out with good intentions has now turned into a pile of steaming corn filled crap.
Before anyone thinks I am singling them out, IF YOU ARE WORRIED YOU HAVE POSTED SOMETHING CAN CAN BE PERCEIVED DICKISH, YOU PROBABLY HAVE. Right or wrong in that assumption, it does not matter cause this is the wonderfull world of the internet.
Multiple people probably thought I was some butt hurt mangina for closing the other thread OR that I went all power trippy. Well it took almost 7 days (from when that other thread was locked) for this thread to spiral into the same thing. In fact I am shocked it took so long.
So before I lock this thread let me take the time to review a few things:
1. Yes if you live in a rural area/stuck on a submarine/live in the middle of the serengeti plains with sporatic internet/cell coverage you are getting shafted. If I had the ability to help you out I would. In that same tone I do not think you can expect to make any company make their product/service available to every person on the planet, in every possible scenerio. Hopefully the infrastructer changes for those individuals and you have the same opportunity as the greater majority to enjoy the next gen consoles.
2. Yes you are being watched and have a right to not be okay with that. You also have the ability to pay for things in cash, write hand written letters to friends or others for correspondence and disconnect yourself for anything digital. Presonally the amount of work for me to do that is more then having the governement find out I like to look a naked tits of enterprising women and I watch the Real housewives of Orange County, New Jersey and Beveryly Hills or that I think the girl my friend has been banging is a bat shit crazy stalker and might someday try to cut off his junk with a Santoku knife while playing it's a small world in the background. My personal opinion is that the information obtained leeds who ever in preventing some wackjob from trying to take out my kids and ends up putting 2 rounds in the bad guys chest and one in his dome I saw where do I send the case of Jonny Walker blue....
3. For the most part people have tried to put up information to try and provide answers/perspective/help but like any other potentially emotion filled issued it went from this:
to this:
Interweb images were used above to help explain the issue. Gold star for using pics!
So lets just end this while we still can and assume that everyone is right and wrong that has posted in this thread. No matter how irrational, absurd or out of touch with reality they may or may not seem.
Feel free to shit on or agree with my comment I will lock this tread by 5pm today PST.
1. Yes if you live in a rural area/stuck on a submarine/live in the middle of the serengeti plains with sporadic internet/cell coverage you are getting shafted. If I had the ability to help you out I would. In that same tone I do not think you can expect to make any company make their product/service available to every person on the planet, in every possible scenario. Hopefully the infrastructure changes for those individuals and you have the same opportunity as the greater majority to enjoy the next gen consoles.
Well the last two Xboxes managed it so yeah I think I have a right to think the next one would...As for locking, do it or don't. Pissing around with ultimatums is just silly.
We are supposed to be grown ups and can decide to enter into the silliness or as I have done twice just feck off and leave the thread. Locking is a moderators last resort, after some moderation! It's the total lack of moderation that allows threads like this turn into a car crash (I would use a picture here but I'm sure you understand what I'm saying without illustrations)
Ah well that's definitely my last word on this thread. LB if you feel the need to respond my PM is always open
1. Yes if you live in a rural area/stuck on a submarine/live in the middle of the serengeti plains with sporadic internet/cell coverage you are getting shafted. If I had the ability to help you out I would. In that same tone I do not think you can expect to make any company make their product/service available to every person on the planet, in every possible scenario. Hopefully the infrastructure changes for those individuals and you have the same opportunity as the greater majority to enjoy the next gen consoles.
Well the last two Xboxes managed it so yeah I think I have a right to think the next one would...As for locking, do it or don't. Pissing around with ultimatums is just silly.
We are supposed to be grown ups and can decide to enter into the silliness or as I have done twice just feck off and leave the thread. Locking is a moderators last resort, after some moderation! It's the total lack of moderation that allows threads like this turn into a car crash (I would use a picture here but I'm sure you understand what I'm saying without illustrations)
Ah well that's definitely my last word on this thread. LB if you feel the need to respond my PM is always open
nope, no pm necessary. :)
Normally I would moderate individual threads, individually. But since this is basically a spill over from the other one, I skipped from friendly intitial reminders to full red line shut down.
LB, i love you man, but you need to just let things be sometimes. We're all adults, and some people even pay to be here. You can lock this thread, but another will spring up. It's a game site, and you're saying we shouldn't discuss new game consoles. It's not going to be happy puppies and unicorns all the time. People disagree, and as adults have the right to express that. If people don't want to read an argument, they can just go "not click the thread."
LB if and when people make "dickish"comments and then either continue to make them or simply don't acknoledge them at all then that person should have attention drawn to them and be called out for it. Perception is based on a certain point of view. If somone can see that their statement was taken in error then apologize and clarify that point of view then mores the better. Those apoligies and clarifications have been made here.
To have you come in here and basically call us all out could (and has been by me) be seen as a "dickish" comment. You walked in here and made your "this is absolute" statement. From my point of view you jumped into a topic you had no right to jump into publicly then made your rude comment and threat to lock this thread down. A resolution (in my opinion) would have been better served by PM'ing those who are in that offshoot discussion and asked them to stop. You may have done that, but we currently don't know you have...
As to those of us who have kept on target with the topic LB. Currently all of our statements or ideas are simply opinion, and will remain so until M$ chooses to claify their standpoint. As the posts made on those opinionated ideas are tossed back and forth to try and get a larger picture of that opinion for ourselves.
Which is instead heavily spun by the MS sales team. Still requires a BS filter.
KnightofRedemption wrote:
These things (Phones bank cards etc) can monitor where you are, assuming it's you driving the car, and you with your phone/card. To some extent they can hint at what your doing. None identify who is in your living room, what they are doing and when they are there. This is a far higher level of potential personal observation than we have seen before. Any idea that can not or will not be used by hackers, advertisers or indeed governments is head in the sand. Every other technology has been, without exception.
Thanks. I’ve been struggling to find my big boy words to say this.
KuruptU4Fun1976 wrote:
The full paragraph on the Kinect sensor
You are in control of when Kinect sensing is On, Off or Paused: If you don’t want the Kinect sensor on while playing games or enjoying your entertainment, you can pause Kinect. To turn off your Xbox One, just say “Xbox Off.” When the system is off, it’s only listening for the single voice command -- “Xbox On,” and you can even turn that feature off too. Some apps and games may require Kinect functionality to operate, so you’ll need to turn it back on for these experiences.
If I can pause while playing, why the heck can’t I just turn it off? This policy (and quite frankly most of the other MS policies that have drawn our attention) sounds just like the age old adage, “I know you’re nervous, so I’ll only stick in the tip”.
Shadow wrote:
Also any phone can share enough internet to connect for a server ping.
Mine can’t. Please don’t laugh.
Shadow wrote:
LB, i love you man, but you need to just let things be sometimes. We're all adults, and some people even pay to be here. You can lock this thread, but another will spring up. It's a game site, and you're saying we shouldn't discuss new game consoles. It's not going to be happy puppies and unicorns all the time. People disagree, and as adults have the right to express that. If people don't want to read an argument, they can just go "not click the thread."
I agree. The puppy is a lie. This isn’t just a nextgen console upgrade. They’re f’ing with our hobby. Herd us back to the mangina thread if you want. The excitement (both good and bad) isn’t going to die because of another locked thread.
People do not have to read any thread on this website or can choose to ignore.
Yes I came in and spewed the same pissy attitude others have in this thread.
What people are incorrect about.
That I am saying do not discuss a new gaming console.
I am saying stop shitting on each other for not sharing the same opinion or perspective about gaming consoles.
That every person that has posted in this thread I think is being a dick.
Nope, I believe it is pretty obvious who has tried to remain on topic or treat others with respect and who has not. I think it is also obvious who has taken a comment and has had a freak out from it. Yes my blanket statement could easily be taken out of context and assumed the worst, but when I am the one getting the pm's from members saying they are tired of X, feel they cannot post because Y might freak out, don't like posting in the forums because they believe no matter how they express their opinion they will be singled out and ridiculed...Then I have every right backed up by the little icon that says Admin under my Avatar to lock a thread. This is also the SECOND thread that has turned to shit over the same related topic. <<<Yep that was me abusing my power, but like I said you have until 5 pm pst today to reply.
You can assume that it was only members that has posted in this thread that have pm'd me, well just so you know I have as many pm's that have those complaints that have NOT posted in this thread as those that have posted in this thread.
Post all you want about hating MS. Post all you want about switching consoles. Post all you want how the man is trying to screw you. I give zero fucks about it. The only thing I am allowed to give fucks about are when members (current/old/new) come in here and might want to contribute (or see if this is a place they want to contribute to) to a topic but won't because they might get singled out for having a different opinion. Even if I believe people should just pull up their big boy/girl pants and move on, I don't have that luxury.
Could I have sent out specific pm's (and it would have been multiple) to those specific people that needed them..Sure, but I do not get paid to moderate here so why would I want to waste extra time when a post or two can do the same thing?
Well, let me get in a comment before the lock then.
First, sorry for contributing to a hostile discussion. The worst part is people deciding against participating in discussion because they didn't want to have hostility directed towards them. It's unacceptable just as you say.
Second, sorry for not sticking to the topic/purpose of this thread. It was for informational links, and ended up being mostly discussion and heated debate. I had my part in that, and for my part I apologize.
Finally, sorry to you LB for making you take time out of your day to deal with the BS here. However, thanks for handling it, again even.
Arse that means I have to post here again and go completely OT...So given that it has happened twice, it is safe to assume any thread on the subject will go the same way. No moderating, passive aggressive posts...lockdown. The role of admin is not the same as the role of moderator, they are distinct and separate. A good admin is not by default a good moderator.
A good moderator would have stepped in as soon as the thread started to go the same way as a previously locked one and follow this line...Private warning, post deletion, final private warning, short time out and as a last resort a temporary ban.
This last step is where the admin come in. On the advice and reasoning of their moderators they are the ones that issue the ban. Short time outs should be within the remit of the mods.
This way threads stay on topic, rarely if ever need to be locked and busy Admins don't need to be bothered by day to day moderating tasks, and can get on with the job site maintenance.
Or you can leave it as it is. All the same to me
Oh final thought, delete OT posts back to the ones containing relevent links, leave it open and just keep deleating OT posts, people will get the message in no time.
I don't know why this topic could not have just been used for what it was intended for
Instead of Hijacking this topic why not just start a new one up and get all the man love you needed there?
Hell you could have taken it in turns opening a new topic up and invited your buddies over to "your place" and got it on?
But no worries. Instead of everyone collecting new links of information and putting them in one easy, accessible place so everyone can read through them (If you did not like what you saw start a new topic up proclaiming your hate for the shit you had just looked at) it turns into another pile of shit, waste of time arguments as no one yet has a fucking clue on what MS are really doing with the X1 as the system is not even fucking out yet.
Here we go, so because Knight lives way out in rural Ireland, which is probably far more rural than you'll ever see anywhere but in a movie, and they have crazy outages because they have but one government contracted internet provider, by cell towers, when they work, he's NOt an adult? Or maybe there are people that exist where their internet connection isn't their sole means of survival and existence...
He's definately an adult and you sir are a pompous passive aggressive putz. I hope you all don't run outa hand lotion, it looks like you go through quite a bit. Feel free to pick at this as well, whatever, cya.
I did not claim what you say.
That's all.
edit for clarity: I didn't quote him or specifically mention any individual. You may have jumped to that conclusion, but that is not my fault or intention.
I was refering to my own self and situation. I completely understand that my situation is not everyone's situation.
If I were a kid, then I wouldn't be calling the ISP and such like I mentioned. That is why I wrote the part about being an adult, because many of the concerns that are a priority for an adult would be different for a kid who just wants to game and such.
No offense meant to anyone with my comment at all. I never, not ever, meant people with spotty internet connections are anything but adults. That is completely false, and I'm saddened to see such a conclusion leapt to so readily and followed by personal attacks.
No offense meant to anyone, even if they continue to insult me.
Maybe this is how someone leapt to conclusions on your post:
I mean, do we really need a passive aggressive "terrorist" comment in this thread? This is how the last one went off the rails. The fact is, rural areas have instable internet. It has nothing to do with whether a disaster happened, or if they're doing something wrong, it just happens. And don't pull an Adam Orth and wonder why people live there - they do, and they're happy with it. And it's all worse if the internet is cellular based. That's just barely above satellite as far as instability. MS is overestimating how many people in the US and abroad have decent internet. It likely won't affect me either, but I damn sure know that there are a lot of people who are. Passive aggressive tactics to diminish their arguments only make you harder to take seriously.
Oh, and what happens if XBL goes down for more than a day? Before you say that's not possible, I'm sure Sony thought it wasn't possible at one time either.
Xbox Live does go down completely from time to time. I don't think it's reasonable to expect that to change, and I think there will be times when the service as a whole has unexpected downtime. It's an excellent concern and point to bring up as it would likely affect every single person trying to play a game on that system.
I see the appeal of living in a very rural area. I wouldn't mind living somewhere surrounded by beautiful countryside, clean air, and be able to see a ton more stars at night. That actually sounds wonderful and I think I wouldn't mind less gaming as a whole for that kind of tradeoff eventually.
It's pretty disappointing that there will be people who can play Xbox 360 just fine now and won't be able to enjoy Xbox One because of this connected decision and simply what's available in their area. There's absolutely no benifit to people with that kind of service and it actually cuts them out of the Xbox market too. To me, it's not a nice decision.
My "terrorist" bit was about the NSA stuff, not about internet service availability. The "spying" concerns don't concern me because I have no reason to think it will ever have a real impact on my life.
The Internet connection requirements won't affect me, but I do completely understand that it will prevent some people from gaming on the Xbox One. I don't like that this was decided personally, despite it not directly affecting me.
I hope this clears things up a bit. Sorry for any confusion
Did anyone else catch that the console can use mobile broadband to connect? Or what
http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-one-requires-1-5-mbps-broadband-connection-supports-mobile-broadband
The 360 supports mobile broadband too. I played Halo on my phone's shared wifi when I was at my in-laws in BFE Illinois last Xmas.
My only internet is mobile broadband so stop trying to be soooo feckin clever. Anyway as certain posters as usual just post to irritate I'm out of this thread as well.gif "189")
I hope you're not talking about me. I was stating the 360 already can do that, and the One will as well.....
I hope this wasn't meant for me as I was just mentioning the connection type. Oh well
Does 1 xbox live subscrip cover 1 gamertag with Gold and 10 more with Silver or is it one subscription covers all 10 gametags with Gold access?
There is nothing official on this. No word even if "Gold" and "Silver" are going to have the same names, no word on prices, no word on features covered, no word on number of tiers, no word onfamily plan features and prices, and no word on features for Gold from 360 carrying over to Xbox One.
Outside of the people who are concerned (and informed) of the issues we all have with the Xbox One. Does anyone also realize that a good portion of the people buying this console will be parents that buy them for their kids witout question of what they are buying? Most likely to just shut the kid up and let them play games and leave the parents to do whatever they want? Or that the kids wanting one will not pay attention to what this thing is capable of doing?
That's one of the best, and scariest comments I've seen yet in here.
See, that's just the passive aggressive behavior I'm talking about.
Someone else accused Knight of being upset over equipment that wouldn't work because it couldn't check up on him because of #jailbreak. Passive aggressive bullshit, which is why two or three others have already stomped off and said to hell with it. I'm on my way as well, and here I thought they were over reacting. I was wrong.
You'll just say that's not what you meant, and be all coy, again, but after 20 or 30 times, it's really hard to pull off.
But Knight's right.
Microsoft is saying we don't trust you, you can't be trusted, so we're going to set this up to check on you , only once every 24 hours, or more specifically, if it doesn't your machine won't play your games after that 24 hours elapses. So,whether you did any wrong or not, you've been told you can't be trusted, AND by saying, well, I'm ok with that and buying the thing, knowing full well in advance, you're validating the action/thought process/ they're putting in place. And by doing that a nother precedent is set in place. Just so you can play your game.
If this isn't the definition of sheep, I don't know what is.
I wonder if XBL Gold will go away, since they are forcing you to be online. Nah, they'll just let you use Silver - they wouldn't give up that cash cow even though they're cutting piracy.
/M$
Yeah, there has to be a free level. I can see there being different paid levels though.
From Reddit.
http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1fv5yj/i_saw_microsoft_employees_monitoring_this/
http://www.reddit.com/r/HailCorporate/comments/1fv43y/account_created_the_day_after_xbox_one_reveal/
Funny how this guy is telling people that they must be wearing tin foil hats too.
Also I'm done with this thread also and I'm sure this will be explained away as well. Glad to see at least a few more members have picked up on the passive aggressive bs in this thread.
Wall Street Journal article on Microsoft's Xbox One business model
Microsoft’s Xbox One: Owning Your Video Games Is So 1994
http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2013/06/07/microsofts-xbox-one-how-things-have-changed/?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLE_Video_Top
don't think of it as a Game/TV console - it is really a subscription Service.
as I mentioned in the locked thread - look at Microsoft's Office 365 business model or Adobe's Creative Cloud subscription model.
when you view the Xbox one this way - all the DRM and Mandatory kinect and the rest is explained.
with the Xbox One, you are no longer buying a Game/Tv console and game discs - you are subscribing to a gaming Service.
and the fine print is in the Terms of Service (TOS) that you click "accept" to on the screen.
just because you have that colorful AAA game box and shiny disc in your hand won't mean that you "own" it anymore.
this is good business$$$ change for MS, but bad for consumers who don't understand this change.
I'm sure Microsoft had teams of accountants and lawyers do the cost benefit of the initial bad press, outrage and boycotts vs the long term revenue they will get.
Well to my utter shock and disbelief another thread that started out with good intentions has now turned into a pile of steaming corn filled crap.
Before anyone thinks I am singling them out, IF YOU ARE WORRIED YOU HAVE POSTED SOMETHING CAN CAN BE PERCEIVED DICKISH, YOU PROBABLY HAVE. Right or wrong in that assumption, it does not matter cause this is the wonderfull world of the internet.
Multiple people probably thought I was some butt hurt mangina for closing the other thread OR that I went all power trippy. Well it took almost 7 days (from when that other thread was locked) for this thread to spiral into the same thing. In fact I am shocked it took so long.
So before I lock this thread let me take the time to review a few things:
1. Yes if you live in a rural area/stuck on a submarine/live in the middle of the serengeti plains with sporatic internet/cell coverage you are getting shafted. If I had the ability to help you out I would. In that same tone I do not think you can expect to make any company make their product/service available to every person on the planet, in every possible scenerio. Hopefully the infrastructer changes for those individuals and you have the same opportunity as the greater majority to enjoy the next gen consoles.
2. Yes you are being watched and have a right to not be okay with that. You also have the ability to pay for things in cash, write hand written letters to friends or others for correspondence and disconnect yourself for anything digital. Presonally the amount of work for me to do that is more then having the governement find out I like to look a naked tits of enterprising women and I watch the Real housewives of Orange County, New Jersey and Beveryly Hills or that I think the girl my friend has been banging is a bat shit crazy stalker and might someday try to cut off his junk with a Santoku knife while playing it's a small world in the background. My personal opinion is that the information obtained leeds who ever in preventing some wackjob from trying to take out my kids and ends up putting 2 rounds in the bad guys chest and one in his dome I saw where do I send the case of Jonny Walker blue....
3. For the most part people have tried to put up information to try and provide answers/perspective/help but like any other potentially emotion filled issued it went from this:
to this:
Interweb images were used above to help explain the issue. Gold star for using pics!
So lets just end this while we still can and assume that everyone is right and wrong that has posted in this thread. No matter how irrational, absurd or out of touch with reality they may or may not seem.
Feel free to shit on or agree with my comment I will lock this tread by 5pm today PST.
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Well the last two Xboxes managed it so yeah I think I have a right to think the next one would...As for locking, do it or don't. Pissing around with ultimatums is just silly.
We are supposed to be grown ups and can decide to enter into the silliness or as I have done twice just feck off and leave the thread. Locking is a moderators last resort, after some moderation! It's the total lack of moderation that allows threads like this turn into a car crash (I would use a picture here but I'm sure you understand what I'm saying without illustrations)
Ah well that's definitely my last word on this thread. LB if you feel the need to respond my PM is always open
nope, no pm necessary. :)
Normally I would moderate individual threads, individually. But since this is basically a spill over from the other one, I skipped from friendly intitial reminders to full red line shut down.
Always a good time, Zero Punctuation:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/7417-Next-Gen-Buyers-Guide
LB, i love you man, but you need to just let things be sometimes. We're all adults, and some people even pay to be here. You can lock this thread, but another will spring up. It's a game site, and you're saying we shouldn't discuss new game consoles. It's not going to be happy puppies and unicorns all the time. People disagree, and as adults have the right to express that. If people don't want to read an argument, they can just go "not click the thread."
So basically....LB just gave warning that a thread is going to get locked (with a countdown clock even!!!).
I take that to mean....Be as much of a dick as you possibly can for the next 4 hours cuz this shit about to be locked anyway!!!!
I like this approach, LB. Very clever.
LB if and when people make "dickish"comments and then either continue to make them or simply don't acknoledge them at all then that person should have attention drawn to them and be called out for it. Perception is based on a certain point of view. If somone can see that their statement was taken in error then apologize and clarify that point of view then mores the better. Those apoligies and clarifications have been made here.
To have you come in here and basically call us all out could (and has been by me) be seen as a "dickish" comment. You walked in here and made your "this is absolute" statement. From my point of view you jumped into a topic you had no right to jump into publicly then made your rude comment and threat to lock this thread down. A resolution (in my opinion) would have been better served by PM'ing those who are in that offshoot discussion and asked them to stop. You may have done that, but we currently don't know you have...
As to those of us who have kept on target with the topic LB. Currently all of our statements or ideas are simply opinion, and will remain so until M$ chooses to claify their standpoint. As the posts made on those opinionated ideas are tossed back and forth to try and get a larger picture of that opinion for ourselves.
Which is instead heavily spun by the MS sales team. Still requires a BS filter.
Thanks. I’ve been struggling to find my big boy words to say this.
If I can pause while playing, why the heck can’t I just turn it off? This policy (and quite frankly most of the other MS policies that have drawn our attention) sounds just like the age old adage, “I know you’re nervous, so I’ll only stick in the tip”.
Mine can’t. Please don’t laugh.
I agree. The puppy is a lie. This isn’t just a nextgen console upgrade. They’re f’ing with our hobby. Herd us back to the mangina thread if you want. The excitement (both good and bad) isn’t going to die because of another locked thread.
PS: Thanks to Tank for all the good info.
You are all correct in stating:
We are all adults.
People will disagree.
People do not have to read any thread on this website or can choose to ignore.
Yes I came in and spewed the same pissy attitude others have in this thread.
What people are incorrect about.
That I am saying do not discuss a new gaming console.
I am saying stop shitting on each other for not sharing the same opinion or perspective about gaming consoles.
That every person that has posted in this thread I think is being a dick.
Nope, I believe it is pretty obvious who has tried to remain on topic or treat others with respect and who has not. I think it is also obvious who has taken a comment and has had a freak out from it. Yes my blanket statement could easily be taken out of context and assumed the worst, but when I am the one getting the pm's from members saying they are tired of X, feel they cannot post because Y might freak out, don't like posting in the forums because they believe no matter how they express their opinion they will be singled out and ridiculed...Then I have every right backed up by the little icon that says Admin under my Avatar to lock a thread. This is also the SECOND thread that has turned to shit over the same related topic. <<<Yep that was me abusing my power, but like I said you have until 5 pm pst today to reply.
You can assume that it was only members that has posted in this thread that have pm'd me, well just so you know I have as many pm's that have those complaints that have NOT posted in this thread as those that have posted in this thread.
Post all you want about hating MS. Post all you want about switching consoles. Post all you want how the man is trying to screw you. I give zero fucks about it. The only thing I am allowed to give fucks about are when members (current/old/new) come in here and might want to contribute (or see if this is a place they want to contribute to) to a topic but won't because they might get singled out for having a different opinion. Even if I believe people should just pull up their big boy/girl pants and move on, I don't have that luxury.
Could I have sent out specific pm's (and it would have been multiple) to those specific people that needed them..Sure, but I do not get paid to moderate here so why would I want to waste extra time when a post or two can do the same thing?
2 hours and 14 minutes left before the lock.
Well, let me get in a comment before the lock then.
First, sorry for contributing to a hostile discussion. The worst part is people deciding against participating in discussion because they didn't want to have hostility directed towards them. It's unacceptable just as you say.
Second, sorry for not sticking to the topic/purpose of this thread. It was for informational links, and ended up being mostly discussion and heated debate. I had my part in that, and for my part I apologize.
Finally, sorry to you LB for making you take time out of your day to deal with the BS here. However, thanks for handling it, again even.
That's all from me.
Arse that means I have to post here again and go completely OT...So given that it has happened twice, it is safe to assume any thread on the subject will go the same way. No moderating, passive aggressive posts...lockdown. The role of admin is not the same as the role of moderator, they are distinct and separate. A good admin is not by default a good moderator.
A good moderator would have stepped in as soon as the thread started to go the same way as a previously locked one and follow this line...Private warning, post deletion, final private warning, short time out and as a last resort a temporary ban.
This last step is where the admin come in. On the advice and reasoning of their moderators they are the ones that issue the ban. Short time outs should be within the remit of the mods.
This way threads stay on topic, rarely if ever need to be locked and busy Admins don't need to be bothered by day to day moderating tasks, and can get on with the job site maintenance.
Or you can leave it as it is. All the same to me
Oh final thought, delete OT posts back to the ones containing relevent links, leave it open and just keep deleating OT posts, people will get the message in no time.
Now what am I going to do for links.
I don't know why this topic could not have just been used for what it was intended for.gif "80")
Instead of Hijacking this topic why not just start a new one up and get all the man love you needed there?
Hell you could have taken it in turns opening a new topic up and invited your buddies over to "your place" and got it on?
But no worries. Instead of everyone collecting new links of information and putting them in one easy, accessible place so everyone can read through them (If you did not like what you saw start a new topic up proclaiming your hate for the shit you had just looked at) it turns into another pile of shit, waste of time arguments as no one yet has a fucking clue on what MS are really doing with the X1 as the system is not even fucking out yet.
Have a good day
Because it was allowed to simple as.