I did okay, mid pack. Normal for me. Restarts and cautions were sloppy. We need work on that as a group. I had a great scrap with TrackAssassin in race 1. He ultimately got by me but I tried to defend as best I as I could. Had a scrap going with Shrimp in race two until Katpeeler caught him then he got pressured. Great work, teammate! I really like team racing. I really hope that Forza 5 has day/night transition so we can do some team endurance stuff where we get to share cars. That's IF the Xbone allows us to switch control to someone else. Fingers crossed.
Cilleti, sorry you had a bad experience in race two. Glad you gave it a second chance, though. I like sim damage but TBH, it's rarely run here. Does calm things down though. While I like the chatter in the rooms it can be hard to call out your location to others and keep them aware of where you are. Maybe we should bare that in mind for the first few laps. Just sayin'.
First time running the race and it was just to overwhelming. Just too many people and not enough chance to get out of the way for the guys that are quicker. I pretty much have to park it in the grass to let anyone by.
Just hold your line and the faster guys will find a way around you. By trying to get out of the way some will move side to side looking in their mirrors. They end up all over the place and that will cause a problem.
Its not your job to get out of the way but the other to get around you clean. Slow guys have every right to the racing line as the faster.
To the faster ones, you have to expect the unexpected. Be prepared for that early brake point, the slideways turn exit and the side to side tank slapper. This all makes it harder on you but that is racing. No need to lose your cool. Deal with it and move on.
On another note: Who is going to call the start on the restarts? Last night I got a little caught off guard by someone else calling it. If the leader is going to call it let him or make it the room host, but don't change it as someone sees fit.
I remember you telling me this before but it didn't work in any of the races last night. In the first race, I did what you said and still get ass rammed by about four or five people. then in the next race is when I was swinging wide to let the faster guys bye and still ended up messing up. I just don't think I quite there yet to be doing these races just yet.
Sorry I had to bail but after being involved in all of the first four cautions (during the first three laps!) in one form or another (either being taken out out from behind or being collected in the other) I was starting to get frustrated and was starting to affect my driving.
Since I was not there, if someone can post the results, I'll update the standings.
Someone last night in race two turn one crawled up between myself and the car next to me and tried to put a 8foot car in a 6 foot gap. Now, maybe I could see that down a straight, but not in a 180 degree turn on cold tires with the entire field bunched up. It was not a smooth insertion...
Completely agree with Jimmie. The faster guys typically find a way to get around you cleanly. Im my experience, Jimmie, KC, Brnt, etal always find a way through the traffic CLEANLY.
For some reason last night, someone was driving like their car was a bulldozer - I was running 2nd or 3rd around lap 5 and got punted into the sticky sand on the last chicane before the start finish. No "sorry", or "my bad". Nothing. This is supposed ot be CLEAN driving. If you're faster than the guy in front of you, it's your job to find a way around them CLEANLY. This isn't an AI or Public room where you run at 100% and plow your way through traffic. When there's traffic in front, the trailing car(s) need to anticipate that the car in front might be an early braker and be prepared.
That's why I like races that run damage - if you plow someone and end up with 100% front aero and some engine damage, maybe you'll learn next time that avoiding contact is important - for you and the driver in front of you.
Completely agree with Jimmie. The faster guys typically find a way to get around you cleanly. Im my experience, Jimmie, KC, Brnt, etal always find a way through the traffic CLEANLY.
For some reason last night, someone was driving like their car was a bulldozer - I was running 2nd or 3rd around lap 5 and got punted into the sticky sand on the last chicane before the start finish. No "sorry", or "my bad". Nothing. This is supposed ot be CLEAN driving. If you're faster than the guy in front of you, it's your job to find a way around them CLEANLY. This isn't an AI or Public room where you run at 100% and plow your way through traffic. When there's traffic in front, the trailing car(s) need to anticipate that the car in front might be an early braker and be prepared.
That's why I like races that run damage - if you plow someone and end up with 100% front aero and some engine damage, maybe you'll learn next time that avoiding contact is important - for you and the driver in front of you.
Ok, I'm done ranting...
First of all, i wasn't driving my car like a bulldozer, second I did apologize after contacting you around at the corner before the bridge. Yes I did pass you. I still had the line and I took advantage of it. It's part of racing. Bumps, and accidents happen. If you care to watch the replay, you will see that at the very beginning of the race I pulled over and let EVERYONE pass me by. I started way behind the pack and moved up CLEANLY to 3rd place before the contact with you. So before you go ranting and pissing about other drivers you may want to get the facts from more than just your perspective..
Completely agree with Jimmie. The faster guys typically find a way to get around you cleanly. Im my experience, Jimmie, KC, Brnt, etal always find a way through the traffic CLEANLY.
For some reason last night, someone was driving like their car was a bulldozer - I was running 2nd or 3rd around lap 5 and got punted into the sticky sand on the last chicane before the start finish. No "sorry", or "my bad". Nothing. This is supposed ot be CLEAN driving. If you're faster than the guy in front of you, it's your job to find a way around them CLEANLY. This isn't an AI or Public room where you run at 100% and plow your way through traffic. When there's traffic in front, the trailing car(s) need to anticipate that the car in front might be an early braker and be prepared.
That's why I like races that run damage - if you plow someone and end up with 100% front aero and some engine damage, maybe you'll learn next time that avoiding contact is important - for you and the driver in front of you.
Ok, I'm done ranting...
First of all, i wasn't driving my car like a bulldozer, second I did apologize after contacting you around at the corner before the bridge. Yes I did pass you. I still had the line and I took advantage of it. It's part of racing. Bumps, and accidents happen. If you care to watch the replay, you will see that at the very beginning of the race I pulled over and let EVERYONE pass me by. I started way behind the pack and moved up CLEANLY to 3rd place before the contact with you. So before you go ranting and pissing about other drivers you may want to get the facts from more than just your perspective..
Now my rant is over.
Woob - WOW! , hold on pal,. - I wasn't even referring to our incident, because you did apologize and I appreciate that. I was referring to an incident a few laps after you left.
Completely agree with Jimmie. The faster guys typically find a way to get around you cleanly. Im my experience, Jimmie, KC, Brnt, etal always find a way through the traffic CLEANLY.
For some reason last night, someone was driving like their car was a bulldozer - I was running 2nd or 3rd around lap 5 and got punted into the sticky sand on the last chicane before the start finish. No "sorry", or "my bad". Nothing. This is supposed ot be CLEAN driving. If you're faster than the guy in front of you, it's your job to find a way around them CLEANLY. This isn't an AI or Public room where you run at 100% and plow your way through traffic. When there's traffic in front, the trailing car(s) need to anticipate that the car in front might be an early braker and be prepared.
That's why I like races that run damage - if you plow someone and end up with 100% front aero and some engine damage, maybe you'll learn next time that avoiding contact is important - for you and the driver in front of you.
Ok, I'm done ranting...
First of all, i wasn't driving my car like a bulldozer, second I did apologize after contacting you around at the corner before the bridge. Yes I did pass you. I still had the line and I took advantage of it. It's part of racing. Bumps, and accidents happen. If you care to watch the replay, you will see that at the very beginning of the race I pulled over and let EVERYONE pass me by. I started way behind the pack and moved up CLEANLY to 3rd place before the contact with you. So before you go ranting and pissing about other drivers you may want to get the facts from more than just your perspective..
Now my rant is over.
Woob - WOW! , hold on pal,. - I wasn't even referring to our incident, because you did apologize and I appreciate that. I was referring to an incident a few laps after you left.
That was me that was bumping you in the last couple turns before the finish line...And i did appologize and even pulled over to the side to let you get back in front but you left the room...And I dont think I was driving my car like a bulldozer either....if anything I was braking way to ealier last night for some reason......
First of all, i wasn't driving my car like a bulldozer, second I did apologize after contacting you around at the corner
That was me that was bumping you in the last couple turns before the finish line...And i did appologize and even pulled over to the side to let you get back in front but you left the room...And I dont think I was driving my car like a bulldozer either....if anything I was braking way to ealier last night for some reason......
Kat, I just saw the replay and I see where you did indeed pull over. I also believe you when you say you apologized - I must not have heard you at the time when I was trying to get the car back under control. Sorry about the bulldozer comment.
No hard feelings here. I'm ready to take some of the sage advice from everyone that's contributed to the thread today and try to apply it next week.
First of all, i wasn't driving my car like a bulldozer, second I did apologize after contacting you around at the corner
That was me that was bumping you in the last couple turns before the finish line...And i did appologize and even pulled over to the side to let you get back in front but you left the room...And I dont think I was driving my car like a bulldozer either....if anything I was braking way to ealier last night for some reason......
Kat, I just saw the replay and I see where you did indeed pull over. I also believe you when you say you apologized - I must not have heard you at the time when I was trying to get the car back under control. Sorry about the bulldozer comment.
No hard feelings here. I'm ready to take some of the sage advice from everyone that's contributed to the thread today and try to apply it next week.
No hard feelings here either...I know it can be very frustrating to get your race screwed up...I was having some issues with my braking on that track....might have been that half bottle of Jack
I think we can all learn something in this series..jimmy had some great points a few posts back...
The problem with sim damage is if your the victom of it, your race is ruined also
Very true, but that's what they're doing when they punt you out of a turn or into the sticky grass/sand. and then pass you (along with the rest of the field) right?
Besides, after someone has ruined someone else's race as well as their own once or twice, it will sink in and they will either change their driving attitude or perhaps the peer pressure from the room will help them do so. Remember one of the basic rules I've seen in Prebuilt and Church's races that's seems to be ignored - don't be a dick.
We can all find the aggressive driving by racing against the AI or a public lobby. However, that's not in the spirit of what this club is all about, in my opinion.
I thought it was the guy in last to call restarts like othet series had been. He knows when he is caught up to the pack.. Thats why i did it. Sorry if i stepped on someones toes. And anything i caused last night i have made apologies to. If folks are getting frustrated with shitty drivers i. e. myself i speak for... I will just bow out of series races. I want to having fun and be a better driver but if peeps are getting upset then it aint fun.
I thought it was the guy in last to call restarts like othet series had been. He knows when he is caught up to the pack.. Thats why i did it. Sorry if i stepped on someones toes. And anything i caused last night i have made apologies to. If folks are getting frustrated with shitty drivers i. e. myself i speak for... I will just bow out of series races. I want to having fun and be a better driver but if peeps are getting upset then it aint fun.
Nah Gunny, your drivings ok. You have raced with us enough you know how it's done, as for the countdown I heard ya, didn't know exactly who it was but the countdown was clear, paced and I at a good place on the track so I let it happen. Since I was the head of the train it was me that was suppose to count it down, but you were there and I went with it.
I try to pay attention to what is happening on the track and I want to stress to everyone to have lots of patience with these cars and trying to pass. Stay close and try to keep pressure on to take advantage of screwups, but please don't push the point where it's dicey and don't stick your nose into a corner where you know you shouldn't belong. Give room and take time, let's have good clean races and not be so damned on finishing order. I've experienced lots of good racing back in a battle for 8th thru 12th many times and am happy with finishing 12th sometimes.
I thought it was the guy in last to call restarts like othet series had been. He knows when he is caught up to the pack.. Thats why i did it. Sorry if i stepped on someones toes. And anything i caused last night i have made apologies to. If folks are getting frustrated with shitty drivers i. e. myself i speak for... I will just bow out of series races. I want to having fun and be a better driver but if peeps are getting upset then it aint fun.
Gunny, you are not the problem. You race cleanly and in the spirit of 2O4F.
Okay, it wasn't turn one, it was half way around the track, but lap one. I just looked at the replay and sent a copy to Grim. It IS on my S/F if anyone wants to watch it, "superGT 2o4f".
Tony and Gunny are doing just fine, keep it up guys. It takes seat time to get up to speed. Tony and Gunny, ya got to race with us to get your racecraft on
Tony and Gunny are doing just fine, keep it up guys. It takes seat time to get up to speed. Tony and Gunny, ya got to race with us to get your racecraft on
AGREED
Always race. But there also isn't anything wrong with picking your battle too. One of the first race series that I started with was Cotter's R3 Porche GT3 cars. It was a HOT MESS, and I didn't bother to even CARE about my finishing position. The you have other series events like the Escort series that happened that are a little slower, a little easier to drive and you/I was able to dice it up a bit more.
SWEET MOTHER OF GOD WHAT HAVE YOU GUYS TURNED INTO?
It sounds like we all need to take a page out of Cotter's book and burn one before these races so we can chill the fuck out. I know it would have probably helped me during week 1.
Despite all THISI'm still bummed I missed last night. I think a new race strategy for myself just might serve me well. (Basically don't even ATTEMPT a pass unless it is 1 of about 5 guys I race with regularly) and let attrition move me up.
Jimme, that is exactly wby i like to race the series. I can see what lines and shit the good drivers are doing and in a pack it pushes me to keep my spot. Again, its suppose to be fun... But some of us are not having any. Idk... I dont have the answers. All i know, my wife heard me pissed a myself last night saying shit like... "a 500 dollar rig to still suck!" I actually had half a thought last night to just give up. That lasted all of .23 seconds.
If you're new to online and pack racing, these SuperGT's might be a handful. I watched the replay, twice, once from CIlletti's POV and once from my rear view, and there are some who are having issues early on that have some seat time, so respect the car, respect the track, realize no one's perfect (start in the mirror) and simply try to have a good time.
I had a few turn in and turn exit issues last night, and here's a shocker, so did Track assassin, but we managed not to kill each other. Honestly, if I'd been behind him, I don't think it would have been so smooth.
Going thru the replays I noticed a few participants like to outbrake others coming into corners quite a bit. This is all well and good but I see it happening from 100ft back! So the guy in front is setting up his corner from outside in to cut across the inside of the corner on a good line and he is on the outside of the track braking slightly then making his turn into the corner. All the sudden the guy who was 100ft back is braking HEAVILY at the last moment in a straight line to the inside of the corner which by then is taken bay the guy in front. Either the cars are making contact with the front guy getting bumped from his line about midcar which slows both racers and if traffic is tight behind them stacks things up for them or the heavy braker is trying to cut the corner more to avoid the contact but never lets off the gas and trys to power thru corner with car most likely getting squirrely and sideways a bit causing more contact. Personally I don't like the tactic myself and try to avoid that type of move, especially if I can't do it cleanly.
Going thru the replays I noticed a few participants like to outbrake others coming into corners quite a bit. This is all well and good but I see it happening from 100ft back! So the guy in front is setting up his corner from outside in to cut across the inside of the corner on a good line and he is on the outside of the track braking slightly then making his turn into the corner. All the sudden the guy who was 100ft back is braking HEAVILY at the last moment in a straight line to the inside of the corner which by then is taken bay the guy in front. Either the cars are making contact with the front guy getting bumped from his line about midcar which slows both racers and if traffic is tight behind them stacks things up for them or the heavy braker is trying to cut the corner more to avoid the contact but never lets off the gas and trys to power thru corner with car most likely getting squirrely and sideways a bit causing more contact. Personally I don't like the tactic myself and try to avoid that type of move, especially if I can't do it cleanly.
Isn't that how all passes in real racing happen? One guy outbrakes the other when entering a corner?
I'm not saying it's OK as you are describing. The key would seem that to pull a move like this off you have to be sure you can slow your car enough to keep it on your 1/2 of the track.
I'm asking, not saying. I'm still trying to work on racing cleaner......And I definitely find that easier to do around others for whatever reason. Maybe it is because I know what to expect.
Yea alot of passes are done going into the turn or making a run coming out of one. The thing is when coming into the turns I glance at my distance meter to see how far the guy trailing me is, if close I take that into account on the line I'm taking thru the turn if 100ft out I can't imagine them making a move to the inside like that unless the totally cook the corner or plan on using me as a bumper so I take optimum line thru the turn with no concern to the guy behind.
I did okay, mid pack. Normal for me. Restarts and cautions were sloppy. We need work on that as a group. I had a great scrap with TrackAssassin in race 1. He ultimately got by me but I tried to defend as best I as I could. Had a scrap going with Shrimp in race two until Katpeeler caught him then he got pressured. Great work, teammate! I really like team racing. I really hope that Forza 5 has day/night transition so we can do some team endurance stuff where we get to share cars. That's IF the Xbone allows us to switch control to someone else. Fingers crossed.
Cilleti, sorry you had a bad experience in race two. Glad you gave it a second chance, though. I like sim damage but TBH, it's rarely run here. Does calm things down though. While I like the chatter in the rooms it can be hard to call out your location to others and keep them aware of where you are. Maybe we should bare that in mind for the first few laps. Just sayin'..gif "80")
Dang I was watching the Hangover 3 and missed it.
First time running the race and it was just to overwhelming. Just too many people and not enough chance to get out of the way for the guys that are quicker. I pretty much have to park it in the grass to let anyone by..gif "53")
Just hold your line and the faster guys will find a way around you. By trying to get out of the way some will move side to side looking in their mirrors. They end up all over the place and that will cause a problem.
Its not your job to get out of the way but the other to get around you clean. Slow guys have every right to the racing line as the faster.
To the faster ones, you have to expect the unexpected. Be prepared for that early brake point, the slideways turn exit and the side to side tank slapper. This all makes it harder on you but that is racing. No need to lose your cool. Deal with it and move on.
On another note: Who is going to call the start on the restarts? Last night I got a little caught off guard by someone else calling it. If the leader is going to call it let him or make it the room host, but don't change it as someone sees fit.
I remember you telling me this before but it didn't work in any of the races last night. In the first race, I did what you said and still get ass rammed by about four or five people. then in the next race is when I was swinging wide to let the faster guys bye and still ended up messing up. I just don't think I quite there yet to be doing these races just yet..gif "40")
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Sorry I had to bail but after being involved in all of the first four cautions (during the first three laps!) in one form or another (either being taken out out from behind or being collected in the other) I was starting to get frustrated and was starting to affect my driving.
Since I was not there, if someone can post the results, I'll update the standings.
Someone last night in race two turn one crawled up between myself and the car next to me and tried to put a 8foot car in a 6 foot gap. Now, maybe I could see that down a straight, but not in a 180 degree turn on cold tires with the entire field bunched up. It was not a smooth insertion...
Completely agree with Jimmie. The faster guys typically find a way to get around you cleanly. Im my experience, Jimmie, KC, Brnt, etal always find a way through the traffic CLEANLY.
For some reason last night, someone was driving like their car was a bulldozer - I was running 2nd or 3rd around lap 5 and got punted into the sticky sand on the last chicane before the start finish. No "sorry", or "my bad". Nothing. This is supposed ot be CLEAN driving. If you're faster than the guy in front of you, it's your job to find a way around them CLEANLY. This isn't an AI or Public room where you run at 100% and plow your way through traffic. When there's traffic in front, the trailing car(s) need to anticipate that the car in front might be an early braker and be prepared.
That's why I like races that run damage - if you plow someone and end up with 100% front aero and some engine damage, maybe you'll learn next time that avoiding contact is important - for you and the driver in front of you.
Ok, I'm done ranting....gif "2")
First of all, i wasn't driving my car like a bulldozer, second I did apologize after contacting you around at the corner before the bridge. Yes I did pass you. I still had the line and I took advantage of it. It's part of racing. Bumps, and accidents happen. If you care to watch the replay, you will see that at the very beginning of the race I pulled over and let EVERYONE pass me by. I started way behind the pack and moved up CLEANLY to 3rd place before the contact with you. So before you go ranting and pissing about other drivers you may want to get the facts from more than just your perspective..
Now my rant is over.
Woob - WOW! , hold on pal,. - I wasn't even referring to our incident, because you did apologize and I appreciate that. I was referring to an incident a few laps after you left.
That was me that was bumping you in the last couple turns before the finish line...And i did appologize and even pulled over to the side to let you get back in front but you left the room...And I dont think I was driving my car like a bulldozer either....if anything I was braking way to ealier last night for some reason......
Kat, I just saw the replay and I see where you did indeed pull over. I also believe you when you say you apologized - I must not have heard you at the time when I was trying to get the car back under control. Sorry about the bulldozer comment.
No hard feelings here. I'm ready to take some of the sage advice from everyone that's contributed to the thread today and try to apply it next week.
No hard feelings here either...I know it can be very frustrating to get your race screwed up...I was having some issues with my braking on that track....might have been that half bottle of Jack.gif "8")
I think we can all learn something in this series..jimmy had some great points a few posts back...
The problem with sim damage is if your the victom of it, your race is ruined also
Very true, but that's what they're doing when they punt you out of a turn or into the sticky grass/sand. and then pass you (along with the rest of the field) right?
Besides, after someone has ruined someone else's race as well as their own once or twice, it will sink in and they will either change their driving attitude or perhaps the peer pressure from the room will help them do so. Remember one of the basic rules I've seen in Prebuilt and Church's races that's seems to be ignored - don't be a dick.
We can all find the aggressive driving by racing against the AI or a public lobby. However, that's not in the spirit of what this club is all about, in my opinion.
And the lag monster spares no man...
Nah Gunny, your drivings ok. You have raced with us enough you know how it's done, as for the countdown I heard ya, didn't know exactly who it was but the countdown was clear, paced and I at a good place on the track so I let it happen. Since I was the head of the train it was me that was suppose to count it down, but you were there and I went with it.
I try to pay attention to what is happening on the track and I want to stress to everyone to have lots of patience with these cars and trying to pass. Stay close and try to keep pressure on to take advantage of screwups, but please don't push the point where it's dicey and don't stick your nose into a corner where you know you shouldn't belong. Give room and take time, let's have good clean races and not be so damned on finishing order. I've experienced lots of good racing back in a battle for 8th thru 12th many times and am happy with finishing 12th sometimes.
Gunny, you are not the problem. You race cleanly and in the spirit of 2O4F.
Okay, it wasn't turn one, it was half way around the track, but lap one. I just looked at the replay and sent a copy to Grim. It IS on my S/F if anyone wants to watch it, "superGT 2o4f".
Tony and Gunny are doing just fine, keep it up guys. It takes seat time to get up to speed. Tony and Gunny, ya got to race with us to get your racecraft on
AGREED
Always race. But there also isn't anything wrong with picking your battle too. One of the first race series that I started with was Cotter's R3 Porche GT3 cars. It was a HOT MESS, and I didn't bother to even CARE about my finishing position. The you have other series events like the Escort series that happened that are a little slower, a little easier to drive and you/I was able to dice it up a bit more.
LOL
SWEET MOTHER OF GOD WHAT HAVE YOU GUYS TURNED INTO?
It sounds like we all need to take a page out of Cotter's book and burn one before these races so we can chill the fuck out. I know it would have probably helped me during week 1.
Despite all THISI'm still bummed I missed last night. I think a new race strategy for myself just might serve me well. (Basically don't even ATTEMPT a pass unless it is 1 of about 5 guys I race with regularly) and let attrition move me up.
Gunny, my frustration was not directed at you and I appologize if it came off that way.
If you're new to online and pack racing, these SuperGT's might be a handful. I watched the replay, twice, once from CIlletti's POV and once from my rear view, and there are some who are having issues early on that have some seat time, so respect the car, respect the track, realize no one's perfect (start in the mirror) and simply try to have a good time.
I had a few turn in and turn exit issues last night, and here's a shocker, so did Track assassin, but we managed not to kill each other. Honestly, if I'd been behind him, I don't think it would have been so smooth.
Going thru the replays I noticed a few participants like to outbrake others coming into corners quite a bit. This is all well and good but I see it happening from 100ft back! So the guy in front is setting up his corner from outside in to cut across the inside of the corner on a good line and he is on the outside of the track braking slightly then making his turn into the corner. All the sudden the guy who was 100ft back is braking HEAVILY at the last moment in a straight line to the inside of the corner which by then is taken bay the guy in front. Either the cars are making contact with the front guy getting bumped from his line about midcar which slows both racers and if traffic is tight behind them stacks things up for them or the heavy braker is trying to cut the corner more to avoid the contact but never lets off the gas and trys to power thru corner with car most likely getting squirrely and sideways a bit causing more contact. Personally I don't like the tactic myself and try to avoid that type of move, especially if I can't do it cleanly.
Isn't that how all passes in real racing happen? One guy outbrakes the other when entering a corner?
I'm not saying it's OK as you are describing. The key would seem that to pull a move like this off you have to be sure you can slow your car enough to keep it on your 1/2 of the track.
I'm asking, not saying. I'm still trying to work on racing cleaner......And I definitely find that easier to do around others for whatever reason. Maybe it is because I know what to expect.
Yea alot of passes are done going into the turn or making a run coming out of one. The thing is when coming into the turns I glance at my distance meter to see how far the guy trailing me is, if close I take that into account on the line I'm taking thru the turn if 100ft out I can't imagine them making a move to the inside like that unless the totally cook the corner or plan on using me as a bumper so I take optimum line thru the turn with no concern to the guy behind.