Xbox One unveiled on May 21

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Tue, 05/21/2013 - 19:41 (Reply to #271)
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Ok...Good. Is just me or the does the "new" design remind you of your old VHS player?

It looks big, and it doesn't have much personality to it really.

Then again, it isn't ridiculous or silly design.  Just very simple, and it looks large.

Only real reason to be concerned is if normally you put a console on an entertainment center shelf and now this one won't fit!  haha.

 

However, bear in mind that there is no power brick this time - the power supply is internal.

Tue, 05/21/2013 - 20:52 (Reply to #272)
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ks63 wrote:

Ok...Good. Is just me or the does the "new" design remind you of your old VHS player?

It looks big, and it doesn't have much personality to it really.

Then again, it isn't ridiculous or silly design.  Just very simple, and it looks large.

Only real reason to be concerned is if normally you put a console on an entertainment center shelf and now this one won't fit!  haha.

 

However, bear in mind that there is no power brick this time - the power supply is internal.

I never thought about it like that, as my Xbox is only used for gaming. But, if a person were to integrate it with their AV entertainment system, then I think the design would blend in nicely. I think it's great and all for those that plan on doing this, but for hardcore console gamers, I would've liked MS to focus more on the gaming aspect of it. If they do come out with two varients of One, that's be cool.

Wed, 05/22/2013 - 23:31 (Reply to #273)
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Autarch wrote:

ks63 wrote:

Ok...Good. Is just me or the does the "new" design remind you of your old VHS player?

It looks big, and it doesn't have much personality to it really.

Then again, it isn't ridiculous or silly design.  Just very simple, and it looks large.

Only real reason to be concerned is if normally you put a console on an entertainment center shelf and now this one won't fit!  haha.

 

However, bear in mind that there is no power brick this time - the power supply is internal.

what do you mean it won't fit?

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ks63 wrote:

Ok...Good. Is just me or the does the "new" design remind you of your old VHS player?

It looks big, and it doesn't have much personality to it really.

Then again, it isn't ridiculous or silly design.  Just very simple, and it looks large.

Only real reason to be concerned is if normally you put a console on an entertainment center shelf and now this one won't fit!  haha.

 

However, bear in mind that there is no power brick this time - the power supply is internal.

what do you mean it won't fit?

 

If this one has larger dimensions than the previous Xbox 360 and doesn't fit into the space for the old one.  Not a big deal, just sayin

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What about families with multiple consoles? I assume wewill have to pay some sort of fee to play one copy on multiple consoles.
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What about families with multiple consoles? I assume wewill have to pay some sort of fee to play one copy on multiple consoles.

The game is tied to your console, and your gamertag.  I'm assuming the only workaround for what you want would be trading the game.  Playing all together from one purchase will not work on separate consoles of course.

 

New tidbit - Xbox One's 15 exclusive games in the first year are ONLY Microsoft Game Studios games.  There may be even more exclusives from third parties.  There are of course multiplatform games, and some with exclusive DLC or timing deals as we've seen.

Clearly there will be dozens of games in the first year to pick from a variety of genres.  I'm excited for E3 to hear specifics on individual games, as well as hopefully get concrete price and release date from Microsoft and Sony.

 

Early hands on with the new controller is very positive.  Kinect has some positive hands on, but a lot of that isn't kinect only games.

 

I think the biggest move here is the cloud computing that makes games perform better and enables new kinds of game updates.  I definitely read between the lines and saw real world weather playing into sports games in their stadiums.  It wasn't just updating stats and patches that I was thinking there.

That whole thing about playing against the 'shadow' of a friend while they aren't even online sounds interesting.  If it really does learn how you play quite well, it'd be an interesting way to practice against a friend before he's able to play against you live!

 

Edit: Laser, the trading I mention is a digital game trading they mentioned but gave few details for.  I'm thinking its like gifting, or swapping, purchased games and movies.  I'll trade my Fable 4 for your Halo 5 type of thing.  Then ownership would change.

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I'm talking more about one console for me on my gamertag and another console for the wife on her gamertag. Am I going to have to pay $60 for the next Mass Effect game and then purchase a second usage right so the wife can play it on her console under her gamertag? That's the question I want answered. As far as the 15 exclusives, I'm guessing many of those will be Kinect type games.
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OMGaLaserPewPew wrote:
I'm talking more about one console for me on my gamertag and another console for the wife on her gamertag. Am I going to have to pay $60 for the next Mass Effect game and then purchase a second usage right so the wife can play it on her console under her gamertag? That's the question I want answered. As far as the 15 exclusives, I'm guessing many of those will be Kinect type games.

Any basis for the Kinect type games comment?

 

I suppose it would only make sense that if you want to play a game and someone else on their console wants to play a game, you both buy the game.  Kinda like how it is now.

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Autarch wrote:

OMGaLaserPewPew wrote:
I'm talking more about one console for me on my gamertag and another console for the wife on her gamertag. Am I going to have to pay $60 for the next Mass Effect game and then purchase a second usage right so the wife can play it on her console under her gamertag? That's the question I want answered. As far as the 15 exclusives, I'm guessing many of those will be Kinect type games.

Any basis for the Kinect type games comment?

 

I suppose it would only make sense that if you want to play a game and someone else on their console wants to play a game, you both buy the game.  Kinda like how it is now.

 

I think all games are Kinect games now to some extent...kind of the point they are shooting for.  However to the other point Autarch, it is NOT how it is now.  Perhaps you don't have a spouse or kids that play, but having to buy two copies of everything that is a mutual game is pretty silly. I have two boys who have their own Xbox and I have mine. My oldest loves sports games and I enjoy them, though not as much as him.  So now I have to buy two copies of the newest game, or have to go sit in their bedroom to play?  Two copies of Halo, and two copies of (fill in the blank). I hope there is a workaround. I personally believe there will be. 

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FadeIntoBlack wrote:

Autarch wrote:

OMGaLaserPewPew wrote:
I'm talking more about one console for me on my gamertag and another console for the wife on her gamertag. Am I going to have to pay $60 for the next Mass Effect game and then purchase a second usage right so the wife can play it on her console under her gamertag? That's the question I want answered. As far as the 15 exclusives, I'm guessing many of those will be Kinect type games.

Any basis for the Kinect type games comment?

 

I suppose it would only make sense that if you want to play a game and someone else on their console wants to play a game, you both buy the game.  Kinda like how it is now.

 

I think all games are Kinect games now to some extent...kind of the point they are shooting for.  However to the other point Autarch, it is NOT how it is now.  Perhaps you don't have a spouse or kids that play, but having to buy two copies of everything that is a mutual game is pretty silly. I have two boys who have their own Xbox and I have mine. My oldest loves sports games and I enjoy them, though not as much as him.  So now I have to buy two copies of the newest game, or have to go sit in their bedroom to play?  Two copies of Halo, and two copies of (fill in the blank). I hope there is a workaround. I personally believe there will be. 

Exactly. No point of purchasing the game twice unless you want to play together on separate consoles. For example, I love the mass effect series. So does my wife. However, we only purchased 1 copy of ME3 since she can play it when I don't want to and I can play it when she doesnt want to. Same for left 4 dead games, dragon age games, tomb raider, etc.
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OMGaLaserPewPew wrote:
FadeIntoBlack wrote:

Autarch wrote:

OMGaLaserPewPew wrote:
I'm talking more about one console for me on my gamertag and another console for the wife on her gamertag. Am I going to have to pay $60 for the next Mass Effect game and then purchase a second usage right so the wife can play it on her console under her gamertag? That's the question I want answered. As far as the 15 exclusives, I'm guessing many of those will be Kinect type games.

Any basis for the Kinect type games comment?

 

I suppose it would only make sense that if you want to play a game and someone else on their console wants to play a game, you both buy the game.  Kinda like how it is now.

 

I think all games are Kinect games now to some extent...kind of the point they are shooting for.  However to the other point Autarch, it is NOT how it is now.  Perhaps you don't have a spouse or kids that play, but having to buy two copies of everything that is a mutual game is pretty silly. I have two boys who have their own Xbox and I have mine. My oldest loves sports games and I enjoy them, though not as much as him.  So now I have to buy two copies of the newest game, or have to go sit in their bedroom to play?  Two copies of Halo, and two copies of (fill in the blank). I hope there is a workaround. I personally believe there will be. 

Exactly. No point of purchasing the game twice unless you want to play together on separate consoles. For example, I love the mass effect series. So does my wife. However, we only purchased 1 copy of ME3 since she can play it when I don't want to and I can play it when she doesnt want to. Same for left 4 dead games, dragon age games, tomb raider, etc.

 

Ah I see.  I didn't realize you meant at different times because I replied before that was mentioned.  As I wrote it, it is as things are today - if both want to play a game at the same time on two different consoles they have to both have the game to do that.

 

With two consoles, and only one game in use, but both consoles in use by the two people, that would be where the digital trading of games would come into play I'd imagine.  If its your spouse I'd imagine it wouldn't be such a big deal to send them a game to play digitally, would it?

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I wonder if that would work with lending games too.  Sign in with your gamertag and install, then they can still play it with their own tag.

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I wonder if that would work with lending games too.  Sign in with your gamertag and install, then they can still play it with their own tag.

This seems possible.  However, if they ever use any other console besides that one, they lose the ability to play it.  So its a workaround of sorts, but not perfect.  Plus, if you install on their console, and you play it on your console I'm willing to bet they can't play the game you installed on their console at the same time you're playing it on yours.  I'm guessing Gamertag takes precedence over console.

 

It seems just digitally lending the game for someone to play would be the solution to multiple consoles and multiple people in the same house with one purchase of a game.  Just like now, not everyone on every console can play the same single copy of a game, and just like now that game can be passed off so someone else can have their turn on their console.

Food for thought!

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very disappoint!

Not sure this will link correctly but here's my take on the Xbox One...

http://meemsy.com/v/9330

 

its mostly SFW

It's a Hitler parody with some strong subtitles.

sorry bout the long subtitles but it was my first attempt at one of these.

http://meemsy.com/v/9336

better sync'd version 1.1

 

 

 

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This Xbox announcement needed and exclusive game presentation. Like Xbox had Halo and that was enough for everyone to go out and buy one. But COD titles have grown stale, specially after BLOPS2. Graphics of the game weren't all that impressive, not like BF3 graphics on a PC when first shown, everyone's jaw just dropped. This thing looks like a TiVo, acts like a TiVo...

http://youtu.be/KbWgUO-Rqcw

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http://youtu.be/KbWgUO-Rqcw

Nice.

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Lots of Ports in the back:

Will wait For E3 before I comment on games.

 

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IGN has a decent FAQ - http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/22/xbox-one-what-we-do-and-dont-know- to answer some of the preliminary questions. 

Overall I'm intrigued and I hope we'll have more clarification after we've seen the games at E3. However, for me, it will mainly come down to price. I don't see this costing below $500 ($499.99 doesn't count) unless they do some kind of tiered pricing with XBL "contracts". 

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I'm thinking either 400 or 500 at most.  I would understand a 300 price though to be honest.  Microsoft says they want this to be the only device for the liviing room and that they want one in every living room.  That's a lot harder to do with a 500 price point, and with the new services they are doing it's probably easier to recoup a hundred dollar additional loss in less time with the new console.  I think they'd prefer market share to less initial loss.

 

Interesting tidbits - the new Xbox One controller supports a new kind of headset with higher quality audio.  However, there are hints at other controller accessories that plug into that data jack in the controller.  It isn't just an audio port there, but specifics about what kind of accessory can now go into that aren't revealed yet.

 

There aren't a ton of new output ports.  There's Kinect, Ethernet, optical audio, HDMI in, HDMI out, 2 USB 3.0, power, and one that I don't recognize and haven't found a clear enough picture to read its label.

 

I think the Defiance-like show/game Quantum Break could be interesting.  They are definitely pushing it to have more direct impacts from show to game and game to show, especially based on what Xbox One does with both(!!) as a community.  I suppose that's now only possible because of the interactive TV portion.

 

15 exclusives from Microsoft Game Studios alone, plus exclusive third party games like Ryse, and the usual third party multiplatform games ensure there won't be a drought of games in teh first year.  I just want to see some of those games, and waiting around 3 weeks isn't so fun :)

 

They really need to get their act together and clarify with exact details things like used games, lending games to friends OR family, internet connection exact requirements and scenarios, and other things people are unclear about.

 

They're being leaders, and taking huge risks.  They can't shy away and hide what those risks were but instead must offer transparency and let people know exactly what to expect and what is required.  The features they are including could be amazing, but they won't sell to people who want the console if those people are confused or suspicious about what exactly is required.

 

Anyways, here's hoping they offer official statements and FAQs carefully and completely laid out.

 

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I'm going to wait and see with the Xbox one  what they show at  E3 as well as price also

and when it dose come out what kind of bugs will it run into when it truly tested by gamers

with some luck the 360 will still be around for a 2 -3 years

 

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Indies still won't be able to self-publish games on ONE unlike pretty much every other platform.  This will make it harder to get new innovative games on the system and they certainly won't be free.

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/22/xbox-one-wont-allow-indies-to-self-pub...

 

Only Xbox ONE accessories will work on the new system, no using your old 360 stuff

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/22/microsoft-only-xbox-one-controllers-ac...

 

Save games let you instant-resume

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/22/xbox-one-save-games-let-you-insta...

 

Gamestop president talks used games on ONE

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/22/gamestop-president-weighs-in-on-n...

 

 

 

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Based on what I read, I think of the game delivery like this: What they are trying to do is move away from printing up physical discs for games, just like the music industry did when they moved from CDs to MP3s. However they can't do it all at once right off the bat beacuase not everyone has the bandwidth to DL a full game and some people like having the physical copy sitting on a shelf (display, piece of mind, etc). Has to be implemented obver time until people get used to the idea of owning digital games.

As for playing the games you buy it will probably go like this: You buy a game (disc or DL) and install it to the HD of your X1 (required to play) it will then verify the purchase on the server (required internet connection). Then you take that same game and install it on your other X1s (child's, spouse's, etc) in the house and it will verify the purchase again,  Microsoft probably will use the same technology the Zune Pass (Spotify, etc) uses that enables you to authorize up to a certain numberof  X1s per gamertag. So now, using the same GT that registered the game, you can play on either X1s in your house depending on where you want to be. If another family member decides to fire up that game, they can without having to pay a fee to play because that game is authorized on that X1. However, you both can't play at the same time, unless you pay a user fee. You would probably get a message that says "Mass Effect 4 is currently being played on another console right now".

This really is not that different than it is now when you think about it and may be cheaper than the current system depending on what that user fee is. If you have 2 people in the same house that want to play a game simultaneously, you have to buy 2 copies anyways. For a new realease AAA title that could be $120. Under this system, you buy the 1 game for $60, then if you want to play with junior at the same time, you buy him a pass for $XX.

As for used game resale, I imagine they will allow it, but the fee will probably be higher than letting Junior play the family copy of the game in the same house. Maybe double?

I dont think you can return opened games anyway, so forget opening it, installing, then returning to the store. If it is a defective disc they might make an exception after they verify the license with M$. I would not be surprised if the discs have some sort of ID code much like the Windows OS discs have now.

UPDATE

So yeah, I waste 30 mins at work writing this up and then find this:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/22/xbox-one-what-we-do-and-dont-know

Pretty much explains it all.

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Right now all the contridictory information out there is insane. MS will need to pull in everyone of these people and make sure to get there stories straight. I have seen 4 different answers to 2 questions and all for are quoting MS officials or twitter accounts.

 

At this point the only thing I believe is that the new system is called Xbox One, it has 8 gbs or rame (ddr3 or 5 is up in the air, yes I have seen the links), it has a 500 gb HD, it comes with Kinect, it has a controller and games need to be installed.

 

Pretty much every other detail out there has a contridiction.

 

MS has fubared this announcement up big time and they need to rally the minions and get direct and concise answers before the end of E3.

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(ddr3 or 5 is up in the air, yes I have seen the links)

Pretty sure it's ddr3. DDR5 doesn't even exist and if it was GDDR5 I'm pretty sure they would have had that on a bullet point to match Sonys GDDR5 for the ps4.

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Biznass wrote:

Lbsutke wrote:
(ddr3 or 5 is up in the air, yes I have seen the links)

Pretty sure it's ddr3. DDR5 doesn't even exist and if it was GDDR5 I'm pretty sure they would have had that on a bullet point to match Sonys GDDR5 for the ps4.

Yup, no ddr5 yet. Haswell may be supporting ddr4. There was talk like Crucial would be releasing it in '13?

 

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LocGaw wrote:

Biznass wrote:

Lbsutke wrote:
(ddr3 or 5 is up in the air, yes I have seen the links)

Pretty sure it's ddr3. DDR5 doesn't even exist and if it was GDDR5 I'm pretty sure they would have had that on a bullet point to match Sonys GDDR5 for the ps4.

Yup, no ddr5 yet. Haswell may be supporting ddr4. There was talk like Crucial would be releasing it in '13?

 

I can't keep up with the tech news lately but I think you're right. It was late '13 or early '14 iirc.

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Right now all the contridictory information out there is insane. MS will need to pull in everyone of these people and make sure to get there stories straight. I have seen 4 different answers to 2 questions and all for are quoting MS officials or twitter accounts.

At this point the only thing I believe is that the new system is called Xbox One, it has 8 gbs or rame (ddr3 or 5 is up in the air, yes I have seen the links), it has a 500 gb HD, it comes with Kinect, it has a controller and games need to be installed.

Pretty much every other detail out there has a contridiction.

MS has fubared this announcement up big time and they need to rally the minions and get direct and concise answers before the end of E3.

Yup.  Too much sales pitch, not enuf substance.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/22/xbox-one-microsofts-mixed-messages

I kept expecting some sort of prerecorded Q&A video or an official press release to surface right after the big gig, something with substance that would fill in some of the gaps.  Maybe before E3 . . . . . . .

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love the "any external drive will do" thing.  USB 3.0 is so fast, that's awesome.  And pick your price!

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Ya i fully support the 'add your own drive' thing, no more paying 2-3x the cost per GB for an xbox branded one.  Total win for gamers on that.

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Anyone know if the new kinect is wireless?  I have a rear projector set up where all my equipment is near the projector and not the screen.  So, when I want to use my Kinect I have to run a long USB cable to it to hook it up.  Since I don't like leaving it on all the time I never ran a permanent cable.  Since the Kinect is a requirement now just wondering if I'm going to have to start drilling holes to wire a new cable.  Hell, I'll have to find out what kind of cable since I'm sure the one it comes with will be short as hell.  Would be great if it was wireless.

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