technical question
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Sat, 05/12/2012 - 02:45
technical question
Hello,
saw this morning that some of you are using MTC. I hadn't until now, but could that be the missing seconds at Road Atlanta with this EUSL-Mini?
@Tourni: Can you post a "quick round video" at your storefront, so that I can look how a professional driver reach this unleast for me unbelieveable 1:37.....
JDANKERT
Hi JD. I think you mean TCM/TCS. It's traction control and it will make you slower, especially in low power cars. It stops the rear wheels spinning free under acceleration. Off, it will make you faster. Also manual with clutch will generally cut lap times a fair bit. What is your current time? I will produce a replay for you.
Hey,
thanks for your answers, but...
At the FM-Leaderboard is MTC noted. Now, after your answers, I think that has something to do with manual clutch? Right? I only own this MS Wheel with half automatic clutch and those whips at the wheel. Yes, that and there will be some seconds. If I would work with a manual clutch pedal, I would be faster, because of a better control over the car. True?
Hmm, so there's a new question: Are there some tipps or remarks for a different racing/driving style with a half-automatic clutch?
JDANKERT
Yes that confused me for a while too. Going to manual clutch was the last assist I turned off some time ago and it makes a hell of a difference to your times, and particular in trying to keep up with other racers during a race, with auto you loose time with every gear change, and turning it off will make all the difference. Yes it will take a while to adjust but once you do your times will improve by a considerable amount.
Oh and yes as you have know worked out MTC = Manual Transmission with Clutch.
JD,
At 1.37 you will be keeping me company at the back if the grid!
MTC comes really easy after about an hour and you will be amazed at how much more control you have. I still use ABS, must get it off but it is my last crutch.
Anyway, see you tonight!!
Becareful of my times - They could be set with faster test tunes :)
I will take a mini round there and stick a replay on my SF
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How can I. I always do the opposite
Clutch part is something i still need to try out...i drive manual but driving the madcatz wheel without clutch pedal so thats one reason why i drive without clutch. Thinking about getting a fanatec wheel...still have to figure out the pro's and cons for it in forza. Anyone can give me some info about this it would be gladly appreciated
The only con of you getting a Fanatec is...you'll probebly get even faster. Aside from that, they have very occational disconect issues I have never had it happen during a race and I don't really worry about it. Headphones can be an issue, the microsoft headset works but with a bit of a hum, wireless seem okay. Just streets ahead of the Madcatz and you would not regret getting one.
ok cool..thanks knight...was thinking about getting the CSR wheel with the CSR elite pedals. I feel a bit holded back with the madcatz for not having a pedal for the clutch...and dislike to use one of the buttons on the wheel as clutch. Bought it really cheap this madcatz to see if racing with a wheel was something i would like since i didnt have any good experiences with wheels in the past.
I have the CSR and love it to bits, I only have the basic pedals and hope to upgrade to the version 2 CSP's in a few weeks. It seems to be received wisdom that the pedals make an even bigger difference to lap times than the wheel. I believe the Elite pedals have the load cell brake so that will really make a difference to the feel, much more akin to real life. Troy usually drops by on Fanatec threads and is really the man with the handle on them, so plenty of help here on the peculiarities of a very programmable wheel. One thing to be aware of is these things do need to be hard mounted, the desk clamp is frankly rubbish and it will give up the ghost in frantic driving moments. The Rennsport stand is the cheapest option and is not bad I used one until I was lucky enough to have my full race rig bought for me as a pressy from the other half.
yeah was thinking of getting that inversion kit aswell. I have read that fanatic is at its best when you hard mount it. for now i was thinking about using the wheelstand pro or the rennsport stand. As soon as i get my own place i can check out a nice race rig. PlaySeat got a nice rig which is sold here and i can pick up personally. But first financial part needs to be settled. After 4 months of no income i have ran through my savings meh..
I believe there is a Mark 1 and a Mark 2 clamp, I must have the Mark 1 because I wouldn't bother even trying it, that is why I am not yet PC racing as I can't get my rig near a monitor.
i got the madcatz wheel on my lap aswell...since i dont have room to set up a rig or place it. well i cant but i wont be able to get in bed anymore lol....not that i sleep much with 160 hours of forza in 17 days lol. But i like the fact aswell that fanatec got the 900 degrees steering aswell
Are most of you using wheels? I can afford a CSR but have no place for a race seat in my tiny 1 room apartment so I guess it's kind of pointless..
OnT: MTC is amazing, I can't drive regular manual or automatic, it's just too slow.. Still using ABS though as it's pretty hard to the lockup with the controller (or I haven't practiced enough) but does it really make that much of a difference on the braking with/without ABS?
Parcells would say the majority of us do use wheels and we have a whole lot of fanatec users as well, probably half a dozen or more with the Elite already. And unless you mean really really tiny you can hard mount that fanatec wheel onto the Renncenn stand, sit on a kitchen chair (this matches Parcells set up in my one bedroom) have some great racing then fold it all away in under 5 minutes if you move slowly.
wtf, got to go I think I just saw a chicken...
ROFL....i got no stand..place the wheel on my lap sit in my fake leather deskchair :P and place the pedals against the tv stand and tadaaaa ..... i am my own racing rig :D
Yeah the Rennsport stand is the answer to a lack of room, Tourni is one of our fasted drivers and uses controller and no assits. Give him a shout, he will be happy to run some laps with you. ABS is often the last assist we let go of and yes it makes a difference
well look for the madcatz wheel that i am using...you dont need a rig for it you can place it pretty stable on your lap...only difference with a fanatec is you dont have a clutch pedal.
I sit in my computer chair, and lean it back with my feet up on the coffee table ( when she who must be obeyed isn't around) and use a controller. (Very Comfortable) Never have I used ABS, never I will (I think this is a generational thing).
Racing line only as my visions not the best and it helps me turn left when turning right would be problematic...
But I'm a mid grade racer at best. Happy to be in the middle of it, and confused when I break through at the front...
(Chicken?)
I first used a controller and then the MS Wheel.
Enjoyed the MS Wheel very much, but I found I needed the pedals to be very stable on the floor (can't be looking for them when trying to brake into a corner).
The wheel itself I could see using on my lap and getting used to that although I always used it attached to a computer desk.
Never fiddled with putting anything behind the brake pedal, but just got used to the sensitive/touchy brake and eventually weaned myself off ABS/TCS, etc.
Was also using manual with clutch, again just a matter of practice to get used to pressing button on wheel same time as shifting.
Likely you can get used to most any kind of setup with a bit of practice.
but the chicken reference still escapes
me ??
I have been using a wheel for racing games for about 15 years now, got my first wheel to race the old Papyrus games on PC back in 1997. Since then I have had so many wheels I lost count, at least 10. I couldn't do one lap on any track without hitting something if I had to use a controller. I used to think a wheel was the only way to go fast until I met Track Assassin. He and a bunch of others use controllers and can run circles around me.
Wheel vs. Controller is not about getting around the track the fastest. It's about inversion. With a controller it feels like playing a game. With a wheel it feels like driving a simulator. I used to think Forza was a simulator, but recently I started playing rFactor on PC and now I know Forza is just a game. It is a very fun game and one of the best racing games on xbox, but still just a game. If anyone is wondering why you don't see me as much on Forza anymore, now you know why.
I have a very old computer and it runs rFactor just fine because it is old also. Next year I plan to get a new computer and start iRacing. From everyone I know who has it, it is the closest you can get to racing without getting in a real race car and going to a track.
If anyone has any questions about Fanatec wheels, I will try to answer. You should also check out www.f-wheel.com which has tons of information and a Fanatec rep regularly posts there.