[GT6] Simulation Driving
[GT6] Simulation Driving
Just curious if there are any hardcore racers or members interested in taking that next challenge in there sim racing career and would be interested in a weekly lobby if there is a time slot available between wed-fri nights
By hardcore I mean no assists (minus abs 1) including race line everything set to real.
if the interest is there I was thinking of starting in lower class cars possibly spec or rl racers to help with the learning curve and work our way up the classes together to a possible future series.
Some one mentioned this is taboo around here, which personally I don't understand why people get worked up about it :)
Some take sim racing to serious and are very opinionated which is basically why I returned to console racing, so this is not to prove anything, turn bitter or makes you better compared to race X....I don't want any of that negative shit hear please!
I just enjoy trying to simulate a real life experience while having fun with friends and was curious if there was others interested
Cheers
I would be up for this depending on start time. And like Grimm I only use race line and abs1 on a few cars
I'm interested. My schedule limits me to Saturday, Sunday and Monday nights.
Also, any opinion on forced cockpit view?
Parcells would be game but my recent concerns are too many events running and not enough time to participate in them all. Something has to give.
If this was a rule I “might” participate (maybe give it a try) but unlikely because I’ve been using bumper or hood cam forever now in both games BECAUSE it provides me a nice big mirror so I can see where people are and do not want to give it up…I wouldn’t race as well with people around me that’s for sure.
I am trying to figure out why if anyone wants to be "Hardcore" why have any assists at all. Eliminate them all. Have damage on...Have penalties for running off the track or cutting corners..Run the cockpit view... That is what "Hardcore" is isn't it? Here is the reality...Guys like myself don't tune...Don't participate in a lot of races...Need certain assists with certain cars..Run ABS 1 on...Run with a driving line...Need some type of traction control on very fast cars.. STILL learning to drive without the Skid Recovery...There is nothing wrong with hardcore. I am sure there are a lot of guys that will give it a go. I know there are a lot of great drivers and tuners in this club that would accept the challenge. I for one will not...Not that I wouldn't love the challenge but I just don't have the time to practice and practice and experiment to cut some seconds off of my time. Last night driving in the rain I saw first hand how pathetic I was. Running in a straight line the back end would start to spin out...It was my first rain race and as others have said...Educational....Bottom line is this...I think there are a lot of you that want this type of racing but if you are going "Hardcore"...Do it Right...Eliminate Everything!...Personal Opininion
To bad gt6 doesnt have a spotter like Iracing. When I first started Iracing I wasnt sure if I could get used to cockpit veiw only. But with a spotter its alot easier than I thought. And It helps to have triple screens .I for the most part in gt6 use the bumper veiw. But I wouldnt let cockpit veiw only, lead me away from a race.I will race and have fun doing so, no matter what the host decides.So Kurupt ,you can count me in.
Don't forget the Arrow indicates. They have come in real handy lately and I don't think I have hit ANYONE off the track yet solely based on them little arrows telling me where the other car is!
Back OT.
When I first started GT I wanted it to be a totally new experience. So I ONLY use cockpit view (With the HUD Spedo and Dials removed) and no assist (Apart from ABS 1)
The game is damn hard BUT It feels so much more real. I have no artificial indicates of tyre ware, fuel level, speed, revs, etc etc I must use the cockpit's of the cars. (Standard ones I just run with nothing).
So yeah its damn hard and i'm nowhere near the front now but the enjoyment level has gone to 12!
I tried this earlier for a couple of the 10min races in the M4 and with an MG TF160 in the British Lightweights and it was amazing fun! I was much more focused not having to look at things on screen that I don't "need" to race!
Great shout Church, I think this is my new way to go!!
The MG didn't have a dash, not a problem for me but I did notice the arrow indicators didn't work, never noticed if they worked on the M4, I was concentrating on the road too much.
I would like to try this. I dont use any assist's and if the cockpit rule was used that would be a huge change for me,not that I'm against it. I always use the chase cam.
Running with no assists is not for everyone and iam completely ok with that the main things is everyone is having fun on track :) my goal here is to have a fun environment and help develop those seeking a full on emmersive experience.
personally I don't like term " hardcore" as it represents zero assists allowed, what iam seeking is a close as possible simulating experience based on real life series/cars and rules which some allow assists like tc. Abs 1 is allowed due to gt6 not so great breaking. Iam also not gonna force the cockpit cam tho it will help with depth perception and braking but that's just my .02 as I found everything was much faster using bumper cam and just never felt relaxed.
the hardest part of learning is refocusing your eye sight from looking 10ft in front of you to looking down the track and picking out objects to use for braking points and hitting your apex. The track awareness you gain is simply amazing and really draws you into the game lifting the overall experience to a new level.
So this is my proposal....
there will be no series anytime soon until the learning curve is passed and we have a good number of drivers to run one. Think of it like a drop in track day will use 1 car for the time being with a new track each week that I'll post here have the room set to practice than maybe a race at the end?
Iam also willing to weeding out one current assist at a week/month so the group can develop together until we're running with none. The first to go will have to be the racing line as it's the hardest to learn.
Cars to be used.
will start with lower class touring cars and gradually work our way up to gt/prototypes etc. Reason why I want to use ingame race cars is I find the base tunes are very stable and good out of the box for non tuners to grab and jump in without worrying about tweaks and upgrades.
I would like to start with the 86 brz touring car I find it an excellent learner car and only has a 197hp. Than work our way up the available hp chain.
tracks I would like to stick to real life courses as we can post data and videos of Onboard drive alongside to help with references and learning guides.
my current time available to run is wed-fri nights and weekend early mornings. That being said I don't expect everyone to always be able to make my times but doesn't mean someone else can't host a room at a different time. The more new comers run the quicker the learning curve will be :)
we will use grims lobby setting template and post new ones monthly so others can host a lobby when ever
Let me know when you plan to run this and I'll get it added to the weekly schedule.
Can I ask why you use ABS 1?
The bug in GT5 where you had to use ABS 1 is no longer there in GT6 so I just wondered?
i never use ABS or any other assists in GT6.
That's a number of times now that I've heard people reference "the ABS bug in GT5" whcih makes me consider I haven't a clue what I'm doing. You see I never ever used ABS in GT5 and quite frankly never knew about any bug nor did I have any issues with braking in GT5 whatsoever. But in GT6 I struggled hard with braking, moved to ABS-1 then a week or so later, after some posts came in advising how to set up the brake balance/pressure I eventually moved back to no ABS but I still find braking in GT6 to be a lot harder than GT5 ever was.
I use ABS 1 because I haven't tweaked the dial on my brake pedal it's setup the way I like it in forza and I'm to lazy to adjust it every time I switch games. I do run ABS 0 on the Mazda and scirocco iv adjusted the brake balance on these cars but again to lazy to mess about with other cars so far :)
I used the DFGT wheel in GT5 and as there was no adjustment on the pedals then with ABS set to 0 the wheels would instantly lock under braking.
With the Fanatec CSP's you could tune this out on the pedals by turning the sensitivity down. In GT6 they have made this much better, but the racing brakes are quite fierce in GT6 which is normally the case in real cars with proper racing brakes.
I just wondered as I don't really want to use ABS 1 but on the other hand I don't want to take the extra wear on the tires that ABS 0 is going to give me!! I find it hard enough to keep up with you guys without making it harder for myself.
I never tried gt5 so I can't compare or even tell you a game I lasted needed abs in :)
normal brakes are fine, the racing brakes are horrid with my setup and I have been having a hell of a time getting my fanatec gt3 wheel configured as iam still stuck with whatever profile it's assigned me. Tried mapping buttons to the g25 #1 but doesn't do anything but return it back to default?
Reason for abs 1 was with the race brakes and my pedal set to 1 on the dial and 1/1 ingame I can literally blow on the pedals and have a lock up lol
i was practicing at monza coming down the straight with my foot resting beside the brake caused a full lock and spin ? so abs 1 which was suggested seems to have cured the problem till I find a fix for my issue. Why they didn't add a simple custom high/low fidelity wheel to map to is beyond me. Asides from fm5 I have every game available on the market and have never had an issue or needed abs. But if it's working for you don't use the abs I just allowed it due to it being a quick fix to my issue :)
The issue with that is racing online with pit stops and tire wear will give ABS users an advantage in terms of tire wear, and strategy is going to win races in that scenario!
I just can't believe all the old bugs are still there and carried over from GT5. Just shows how interested PD really are, they're just in it for the money... Same as everyone else I guess!!
Every developer is in it for the money :)
i wouldn't go as far as saying they don't care, personally if the features they say are too come it will be the best rounded game on the market. To be able to push a 7 yr console to what they have is pretty impressive especially features that were once only available to PC.
it could be multiple things regarding the re occurring bugs. PS3 has been know to be very difficult to write for, could be a fuck you to fanatec as it only seems to be an issue with there products and seems fanatec is getting on the wrong side of many dev teams. Either way it's not a game breaker for me and has a simple fix that anyone can use so there's no real disadvantage unless you choose not to use it.
gt6 has me really excited for gt7 on ps4 which will have better support for program writing
ill do some more research this evening and see if I can get things sorted
What time slots are available and what's days work for the majority?
Atm for me....wed,fri or sat morning I could do. Like posted previously if there is a time when most of you are on when I can't be feel free to host a room, it's more or less practicing till we comfortable enough to race :)
Wed 5:00pm PST or later works best for me. Also not alot going on the schedule during that time slot on the 2o4f weekly schedule - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtJz_lY_51zNdGVOa3hWXzVtN2VZTWlkeWR6T09pVEE&hl=en_US#gid=0
I've learned to live without the clutch, but it does kill the immersion a little for me.
I've just done some testing between ABS 0 and ABS 1 and I'm not surprised no one uses ABS 0!!!
ABS 0 works fine with my CSP V1's but it's difficult to push hard, just like in a real car with no ABS.
When I put it on ABS 1, it's a whole different ball game, much faster but it feels much more arcade. It's hard to have any form of lock up, so this alone brings more car stability braking into corners.
Just another huge dissapointment for me due to piss poor programming from PD as some can't use ABS 0 due to problems with it. I like how you can see the braking force applied on the screen without having to go in to the console view like in FM, I have no issues with ABS 0, I can see that on screen but it's more realistic, therefore it's slower. And I've not even looked at the tire wear issues yet.
I'm sticking with ABS 0, I may be faster using ABS 1 but it just feels very wrong to me, so I may not win any online races but at least i'm having a more realistic experience!!!
Yeah - I've gone ABS=0, Traction Control=0 right from the start with GT6. Tried the various views but for online am sticking to bumper cam; need that big mirror so I can keep out of folks way as i see them come up behind me. For the clubsport pedal adjustment if six o'clock on the adjustment knob is the most sensitive, I've turned mine to about 1:30. that position feels about right for me to get the GT6 brake meter into 100% with reasonable pressure with a further adjustment using the brake bias tuning on a car by car basis.
I did some testing last night and removed the abs too discover what I thought was instant lock ups was the complete opposite of what was happening.
i didn't even realize there was an onscreen pedal graph which ended up being the savour to the whole thing in more ways than one lol
Before realizing the graph I was using a low setting on my csr elite brake pedal, I removed the abs and took the BMW m4 for a ride....first corner it get a loud skreech and the car slides wide same result the next few corners. So I adjust settings and fiddle....same results? Than I realized I needed to change my driving as I was still trying to drive like I had abs and trying to turn while braking. I head bake and attempt a straight line brake....loud skreech car ploughs through....kurupt freaks out and smashes his head against his wheel a few times as iam leaning back to relax and regain composure I realize there's an on screen pedal graph, so I push the brake and it shows me that iam not even applying 1/8 of pedal pressure so I raised the pedal sensitivity and try again.
discovery #1 damn my wheel feels way better after head smashing it, all the knotchy Feeling I had felt from day one was gone and the FFb was much better and smoother :)
discovery #2 the sound that I though was break lock up was the tires scrubbing and they both use an all most identical sound which was really throwing me off
its taking a bit of time to adjust but seems a lot better and I also came across a thread posted by nic Hamilton on how braking should be and react with no abs, I've been trying this method and it really helps but will take time to master and feel this is where I was losing valuable time and should allow me to brake deeper than I was. When done properly with a good setup it just sling shots you threw the corner.
Nic Hamilton
During the braking phase, the first initial 'Hit' of the pedal will be the strongest, which after then will slowly decrease as you start to 'bleed off' the brake to roll the car into the corner. As the car starts to slow down, if you do not 'bleed off' of the brake and instead keep the same initial pressure, then the wheels will start to lock, this normally happens right at the end of the braking phase when you sometimes go just over the limit of braking. Being on the limit under braking can also be felt as the car starts to squirm and move, but not actually lock, which is a great feeling as you start to learn where the limit of braking is, meaning you can be confident to brake as late as possible and know what the car is going to do. (Squirming at the limit of braking would be hard to replicate in a game)
Glad you're getting it sorted Kurupt! It's so much more satisfying with ABS on 0, now I just have to learn to tune on my own since I don't have team support in GT6.
Sorry for being a bit grumpy with my replies last night Kurupt and Zero. GT was giving me a headache (clutch not being fixed and I wasted 40 mins on one of the 10min races to then find out it was a bug and you can't come 1st even when you do), but that's no excuse, so my apologies for sounding a bit off! It's not like me at all.
Np mate and thanks for the info, I didn't think of the gallery as everything is completely new to me in this game. I was kinda separating the premium from non by if the window tints were blacked out or if I could see the interior lol
grim is your go to guy for tunes as iam still adjusting to the game and seeing what works or not....not having tire model that records data has really thrown me for a loop as that's the data that allows you too set up your suspension and grip. Too me it seems the build is far more important than the tune
Yep, I've used a few of Grim's tunes but for the series racing I'm not so sure people will be so eager to share the tune they are using!! I've just been adjusting the damper settings to be honest, but I'm going to try and devote some time to learning to tune over the weekend.
I've been driving exclusivley with in car view and nothing else on screen and I must say it's fantastic, very immersive and I seem to be driving much better now!
Forgot to mention with the racing brakes, they appear to heat up after around 1/2 to 1 lap and then produce much better braking ability and less locking up! I just wish there was more online racing for fun, but I'm sure that will come soon.
Parcells was under the immpression all on-line racing is for fun...That's certainly the case when you get into a good battle with someone regardless of the psotion you're fighting for.
Agreed! 1-UP for Parcells.
Just a bad choice of words Parcells, I meant unorganized just jump into a lobby and have some fun kinda racing as opposed to an organized series or event!