Seriously discouraging

Wtf?! Reading how many tokens people purchase is just crazy! But people using tokens to buy cars and parts etc, then not liking the cars they bought and built and getting rid of it for absolutely nothing! You just delete the car, you get nothing in return at all! Stupidist idea I've ever heard of not being able to get anything back. Let em burn through thier real money I guess and it seems like I will keep enjoying FM4 and leave anything from Turn 10 after it alone to not play a Forza again.

I'm personally boycotting all micro transactions in this game.  No tokens, DLC cars or VIP for me.  I might not be able to resist tracks though.

Yes, very very discouraging. FM5 is such a good game. It's just unfortunate that its be used this way when it could have been the complete car/racing game. We are watching a franchise self destruct. All future content and gameplay features will be decided on by how much $$$$ it will generate. Sometimes that driving force doesn't yield the most desirable results. In my eyes the T10 guys aren't car people at all.

DLCs are one thing but this is madness.

You have to realise the T10 and MS understand what they are doing. The changes in micro transaction emphasis may be clumsy in detail, in terms of implementation, and subject to the patch adjustment we are seeing, but it is clearly the future in terms of profit driven business. There clearly is a market and they are pursuing it. Many of us don't fit with that, but that's just minor fallout. There is clearly a market there for this piratical (IMO) business model and the FM.net forums are full of what I would term new blood, with extra cash to spend. If some want in, good luck, but not for me.

The question may now be, who will take the business of those of us, who are unwilling to be part of the target market for MS. T10/MS strategy now leaves a business opportunity. Are PD or someone else going to jump on this? Someone will, I am confident of that.

I'm a car whore and I admit it. I buy DLC probably more to paint than race, but there are always hidden gems that are discovered on the track.

That said, I have never and will never buy 'tokens" or whatever they call them.

I will buy DLC, but not if it's offered on day one, and I will not buy tokens. If I can't buy what I need through playing the game then I don't really need it.

Well what do you expect when people will pay $3+ for bottled water.      

Looks like console developers are trying to follow the PC free to play market.  Buy the game, then spend more money on the little things.  Guild Wars 2 for example, buy items that make your character look cool but have no affect on anything else, or maybe a minipet to follow your character around.  

Saddly there will always be those people that spend the money for it which makes devs want to do it more. 

The thing I hate about Forza is when you purchase dlc you still have to buy the car in game with credits or tokens. If I purchase a car pack I expect to get each car of the pack to be in my garage.

Bet Forza doesn't have races where you can win 800,000 for a 10 min race. What I'd really like to see is the numbers. Let's see the numbers for car dlc, track dlc and token purchases in FM5 so far but also for FM4 and FM3, would that be interesting?

"brimming with extra cash", "people are stupid", "crazy", "new blood, with extra cash", "Saddly there will always be those people", "people are foolish enough to buy something that is already in the game",  "impatient consumers", "retards"

Some of you have known me for years. I have tried to be a positive guy for Forza. I have commented about my disappointment about the lack of features this time around and I agree that the token thing is ridiculous.  I had no idea what micro-transactions were until FM5. I don't game much at all. I am a Forza guy first and a Halo guy second. That's it. I play for upwards of maybe a year per game and then I am burnt and move along.

I get so little time to play but my LOVE in Forza always has and always will be buying, building, tuning and testing cars. It's expensive as hell in game when you don't get much time to play. I want to have a shitload of cars at my disposal to see what can be done with them. 

In past versions I made a little bit selling tunes (mostly drag, but that's all gone now) and most of my tunes were given for free via D2NR last go around. I didn't get crap for most anything I offered. Ever. Well, I got positive feedback and that was more than enough for me. :)

So... in FM I bought tokens. 

I bought what I felt was what I would need to be able to buy and build and tune without me grinding my precious time on crap that I don't care about. I always loved Forza for the fact you can play it a dozen ways. Race vs game. Race online with friends. Form a league or series. Paint. Make Logos. Hotlap stock cars. Hotlap built cars. Run fast cars only. Run beaters only. Run Nascar ovals. Drag. Whatever. It is/was how you like (less now, yes but whatever - it still has a lot to offer many different stytles and likes of cars and gaming). No one mocked people for whatever made them (or allowed them) to love and play the game.

Yes, the economy was crap when it came out and I, like others, saw the tokens as a way that I can play the game as I wanted using shit (like it or not) that was in the game (the tokens). I am not rich. I don't just have cash lying around saying 'spend me'. I sucked it up and put more money in since FM5 was the ONLY reason I picked up the Xbone. I wasn't going to sell my Xbone and I wasn't going to not play this gorgous new game either. Do I regret it? No.

Am I pissed that people here have this sort of elitist mentality and choose to call anyone like me any of the above? Fuck yeah. Pissed and disappointed that I would be called anything other than a good guy that did what he wanted to do.

If the economy was as it is stands now day one, I am sure I wouldn't have done that but it wasn't so I did.

I also didn't know anout the rewards for nearly a week or so into the game. Yeah, sorry, I don't read every single post and NEWS story on FM.net and I have been inactive for a year and a half. My "rewards" were crap when I first started playing FM5 and again, it took a while to even realize I had some perks waiting. Would have been better to know day one via an in-game msg or something.

Regardless, I have always liked everyone here. I still have some of you on my FL. I am just shocked that people here would call people that purcahse tokens all these shitty names.

In one thread here people were talking about scaring off new memebers. Well, its put a knot in my stomach that this 'community' has obviously changed so much since when I first joined and shit like this just makes my skin craw. And I am not a newbie. Crap like this makes me less likely to post since now I know how people feel about me. Nice!

I have no issue with anyone bashing T10 or MS or any combo of the two for shipping a "Forza Lite" version or a version that might tell of the demise of the franchise. But please don't call people that want to play a certain way stupid names. It helps no one. Pointless. I am so happy you guys are the watchdogs! 

For the record... I also have been battling with the 'loosing tokens' issue that this thread started about. I also have about 7Mil in credits now (thanks to double XP and VIP) and really don't care about tokens (aside from the fact I fucking can't predict if I will have them available - shitty programming!).... I just want to build, tune and runs some laps.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS!

I hope the holiday spirit finds its way to you at some point this season!

cheers!

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I have a problem with Turn 10 bending over customers who purchased these tokens with real cash and if they buy in game cars and parts with the tokens and if you want to sell back to the game you get nothing. I feel sorry for the consumer and think it's bullshit. And I just get the feeling that if Turn 10 see's that it ok to fuck thier consumers it's only gonna encourage them further, maybe I'm wrong. But I have no room to talk about what I've spent on Forza to enjoy it my way. I have purchased every L.E. DLC, etc. Except FM5 and I am boycotting to show my disdain for thier direction with the latest edition.

As Church stated my fear is that they see $$$ and therefore in the future more and more tokenish style schemes are developed.

Look at the world of MMO's on the pc.  In the past they were all pay to play.  Each month you paid your membership which funded the developers to continue patching the game and making expansions.  Some expansions were free, biggers one might cost. 

Then I think it was Guild Wars came along and weren't going to charge for playing, hello free to play.  You could spend real money if you wanted to buy items that made your character look good but overall not really anything to push you to spend money on. 

Then suddenly the market floods with free to play games and most have a cash shop where you can spend money to get an xp boost, some games allow you to buy armor or weapons even. 

So my fear is generally this, look at how many games now have DLC, pretty much all of them.  Look at how many are starting to offer credits for real cash, I know FM5 does and GTA 5 is suppose to if its not already in place.  I just hope it doesn't get to where if you want to race the high end cars you either A: dedicate a shitload of time to achieve or B: Can buy it for $5. 

I think we got a taste of this at release and I hope the backlash was enough to show that people aren't willing to pay that much real cash for a pixel car, no matter how much of a relationship Dan wants us to have with it. 

I don't think people are stupid for buying tokens and as long as it is very limited I don't mind tokens.  I just don't want to see them become a core part of the game.

this again?

I haven't bought any tokens, and I have tons of cars.  Too many.  I did get VIP mostly for the events and faster XP since I won't play as much or as well as most.  But, that's always been available to buy it seems in past iterations.