A Small racing video
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Thu, 04/25/2013 - 06:02
A Small racing video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ9n1Qp3rDc
Pap and I were testing a car the other day and incidently made a good racing tutorial.
The car is set up to be a rally style car and the intro gives you some idea of what we were contending with.
The video will be useful for people who want to learn to drive in traffic :)
Sweet vid fella!
Ta :) Hope it provides useful insight to how people can manage traffic and avoid contact.
Glad to have you back Tourni btw
I wouldn't say that as i'm not taking part in any events :)
PTR still got it.
The cars were a blast to drive, just waiting for some final tweaks :)
The whole race was awesome. The cars required a heightened level of concentration, and we were still bumper to bumper for 3 laps. When the car is super loose like this one was it can appear that you're stabbing the throttle, but it's constant adjustments to keep the car pointing in the proper direction. Normally you would simply start feeding power at the acceleration point, and go to full power as quickly as possible. That simply wasn't possible in these cars.
In previous races we just got carried away drifting them around the track rather than trying to get around the track as quickly as possible.
Hella fun!!
Okay, BUT most of us try to tune that out of a car, at least most of it, a little is good I know as too much will actually make you slower, but too much brings to mind a certain Nissan Fairlady...
Yeah it was slower. You are correct. Tourni was inspired to build it this way after coming back from watching some rally racing.
Not sure which Lady you're talking about, but mine was definately not too loose. She was fast as hell.
Edit: While driving the cars, laughing and having a helluva good time, we were very aware that most of the club would simply detest them with every fibre in their being. There is no race planned to use them. Just toys for us to have laughs with.
Ahem...
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That's your problem... That's not a Fairlady, it's a Skyline.
You are right that it had a certain flair for randomly trying to kill the driver, but it was still fun
Accidentally quoted myself, but can't edit previous post.
Anyways, it was only Church who had any real trouble with that car
I think oldschool is missing the point :) Its about passing and giving space :)
Ahh, that's right, the Fairlady was the good one! I think I have 3 or 4. Sold the Skyline...
I get that, and got the wrong end of it last night.
I do think that some issues are simply a lack of view and awareness of the car and the surrounding vehicles though, all Timmyness aside.
I know many times if I make contact, it's simply that I didn't know they were there. Not the act of simulating a billiard ball off the rail/door panel of the other car.
If you are going through a corner side by side, both drivers should take care to stick on their respective lines. NOT the racing line. When we took corners, and a crossover pass was not being executed, we gave each other extreme amounts of room to do so. On the straights we tighten up and give much less. When not exactly side by side, it's much safer to negotiate the corner if the car in back takes a small breath off the throttle to let the lead guy clear your car. Don't spend an eternity off the throttle, a very short lift will do the trick. Get in line behind, and you can both use the race line to get around the corner. This is very important when there are more than two cars on the track, and you don't want the back markers to catch you. Spend too long jockying for corners and the guys behind you are closing fast.
If you're right up the exhaust of the guy in front, and a corner is coming up, breath the throttle to create a little room between you. If he takes the defensive line through the corner, and turns in early, you are now in a position to take the corner normally and execute the cross over pass.
The vid was kinda trying to show that even if you're driving cars that are a hot mess, you can still apply the same principals and have a clean race while driving aggressively.
Whole post is awesome advise Paps (I can still call you Paps can I not?) but Parcells loves this bit that requires the following car to lose time...that's right you LOSE TIME trying to pass a car which is the case 90% of the time in real life racing that doesn't occur on a straight so just deal with it.
But for the love of God, if you're unwilling to accept that fact whatever you do please do not shout out that the guy you just bumped (because you're still 3 inches from his car approaching a turn) that he broke too early...that's a lame excuse and outright false because it's ALWAYS the trailing cars fault.
Sort of on topic...it's very possible to go three wide in a lot of turns but please don't initiate that unless you're confident the other two particpants can deal with it as good as you can(AND make sure they know you're there)...been watching a lot of replays lately where some real fast drivers do this and I honestly can't blame them for the attempt but more times than not it doesn't end cleanly and just frustrates everyone.
Well, sure, all that's obvious now, where were the subtitles during the video as I couldn't hear the narration?
Most times, if a cars a hot mess, the drivers simply trying to survive the corner and doesn't feel he has the luxury of picking a line, he's all elbows managing the wheel.
I have gone two wide through turns like that before, but it involves a certain amount of trust of the opponent and that's an iffy situation sometimes. Doing so and maintaining speeds even harder.
I usually find that if I'm behind and trying to avoid contact I usually screw myself, and not only does the guy in front pull away, but the guy behind takes advantage of it and I end up losing position. And I know part of that's simply experience and it should improve, but it's quite frustrating sometimes. I have gotten better at simply shadowing and waiting for the mistake in front of me to happen.
You seem to think its a switch that you can flick on and execute the perfect traffic management, its quite far from that. We had a good race and in view of that we decided to give people information on how it can be done. If you don't provide people with the tools to do the job, then they'll have a hard time doing the job.
This isn't to say that everyone will be perfect either, alot is trial and error. I used to use the warm up laps for the EUSL to see where i can make a pass without contact, Gizzie was often on the receiveing end of a wrong pass but, before the actual race started i knew which corners were a good pass, which ones were a ok pass and which were to be avoided. Not due to contact really, but more that it will require two drivers to slow down so much.
What pap is saying is true though, you give the other driver as much room as possible for the majourity of circumstances. If he gets it wrong, he'll be less likely to take you with him. I trust pap as a driver and this is exactly why we can be so close on corner exit and on the brakes. I know where and when its all going to happen, but this car mixed all that up for me. We gave each other room and still ramained tenths away from each other.
The video doesn't really need narration and that would take away from the engine sounds, its there primarily to see what and why we do things when we are along side each other. Novice drivers can watch and ask questions that experianced guys can answer :)
Hey Tourni and Paps,
GREAT stuff and thank you for the video!
JDANKERT
You're welcome Jdan :)
Absoutely Parcels :) hehehe
3 Wide can be done, but you really have to know what you are doing and you have to be 100% confident that you can stick to the line with the other drivers too. You also need to know when to back out of the manouver :)
Yes, to have patience is something, which is hard to learn and in racing situations - with lot of adrenalin - it is very hard to remember, that clean and fair racing is more important than winning.
Sometimes it's all about timing.
Did two wide at Road Atlanta from the back straight through the esses up the hill and down towards the start/finish line tonight.
That is quite a ticky part to hold 2 wide there, nice going :)