Black Ops 2 is the worst COD Game I have ever played

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Black Ops 2 is the worst COD Game I have ever played

Seriously.

 

Let me start off by saying I am a COD fanboy and I have defended it to death in the past. I have been playing COD online since COD3. That game was an abortion and it was more fun than Blops 2. I played in the COD4 Beta and I have been hooked since. Since COD 4 I have played with the same general group of guys and we play well together and usually win. The k/d in the group is usually 1.4 - 2.0. I personally was between 1.5 - 1.6 in COD 4, W@W, MW2 Blops. The point I am getting at is that I am not total garbage and either are the dudes I play with. So, now on to Blops 2...

 

The connections are horrible. They seem ok, but the lag compensation is at an all time level. I am literally 1-2 full seconds behind. I just finished a game 10-30. I have had 6-25, 8-24, 9-22 games tonight,  more in 2 days of Blops 2 than I did in 1 year of Blops 1. MORE IN 2 DAYS THAN A FUCKING YEAR. I have had maybe 5 games over 1.0 k/d so far in 6 hours played or so. So what is the problem here?? Did I forget how to play videogames?

Now I get most people will just blame launch issues and say "the servers will get worked out". They wont. Every COD has had a shit launch but nothing has been like this. Even the super beasts in my group are having games where they get shit on horribly, and this has not happened in any game I can remember. So something is seriously wrong. Nothing in the in game gameplay feels "right".  Something is seriously off.

 

 

Beyond that the game itself is still really underwhelming. No maps jump out at you as being good, the ARs are horrible, and the gametypes are largely the same. Nerfing Ghost seemed like a good idea but now the game is a run and gun clusterfuck of random encounters. There is nothing strategic, every encounter is a roll of the dice and the dice are loaded on the other end. 

About the only thing I can say I like about the game is the pick 10. Pick 10 is an awesome system but beyond that the menus are cluttered and the perks suck. Even if the servers and connections magically work themselves out we are still left with a sub par COD experience. Oh but hey, AT LEAST WE HAVE FUCKING KNIFE CAMO!!!! THAT IS AWESOME!! /facepalm

 

So, I ask anyone out there who is enjoying the game, tell me please in one sentence, what is good about Black Ops 2? What does it offer that other COD games don't? I am honestly curious......

 

Also, I have never liked Halo and was never into it due to my COD fanboy nature, but going from Black ops 2 to Halo 4 is like fucking Rosie Odonnell , then getting to cornhole Jessica Biel .There is no fucking comparison.

 

Flame away.

 

 

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 23:26
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IAmTheLiquor wrote:

Seriously.

 

Let me start off by saying I am a COD fanboy and I have defended it to death in the past. I have been playing COD online since COD3. That game was an abortion and it was more fun than Blops 2. I played in the COD4 Beta and I have been hooked since. Since COD 4 I have played with the same general group of guys and we play well together and usually win. The k/d in the group is usually 1.4 - 2.0. I personally was between 1.5 - 1.6 in COD 4, W@W, MW2 Blops. The point I am getting at is that I am not total garbage and either are the dudes I play with. So, now on to Blops 2...

 

The connections are horrible. They seem ok, but the lag compensation is at an all time level. I am literally 1-2 full seconds behind. I just finished a game 10-30. I have had 6-25, 8-24, 9-22 games tonight,  more in 2 days of Blops 2 than I did in 1 year of Blops 1. MORE IN 2 DAYS THAN A FUCKING YEAR. I have had maybe 5 games over 1.0 k/d so far in 6 hours played or so. So what is the problem here?? Did I forget how to play videogames?

Now I get most people will just blame launch issues and say "the servers will get worked out". They wont. Every COD has had a shit launch but nothing has been like this. Even the super beasts in my group are having games where they get shit on horribly, and this has not happened in any game I can remember. So something is seriously wrong. Nothing in the in game gameplay feels "right".  Something is seriously off.

 

 

^This.

 

For the past two nights, my connections were complete shit.  I can't buy a kill.  I feel like I'm not playing the same game as others.  The only timeit felt right was when 2o2s did a private clan night.  Connections were solid for that.  Anything Public, forget it.  I had enough tonight.  Took the disc out and put in Halo.  I just can't take it.

 

I even checked my NAT settings.  I ran several different speed test.  I tested for packet loss and everything.  I have a fast FIOS connection and this is just mind boggling.

 

What gets me is MW3 was fine for me.  I know people bitch about connections there but I never saw it.  I did with BLOPs 1 and it never got resolved for that game.  I don't expect much for this one.   And it's a shame because I really want to like this game.  Our clan night was a blast, we ran some 3 team games, sticks and stones and other nonsense.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 23:26
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Also I have since been searching the interwebs to see if I was alone in this or not. Apparently the game is comepletely fucked for a lot of people. The first page of the official COD forums is filled with lag and lag comp threads. Something is wrong.

 

http://community.callofduty.com/message/413545575#413545575

Heres a good one.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 23:59
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First: We need a video with commetary to varify your statements.

Second: It does have an ax.

Third: Your Canadian connection has always been sketchy.

Fourth: I have come to expect these issues in the first weeks with all new releases.

Fifth: It's better than Homefront and Brink.

Sixth: It's just not what you do. Your no beast.

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Fri, 11/16/2012 - 01:24
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Well I disagree that Cod3 and Homefront Multiplayer were sub-par, campaigns sucked but MP for those I would rate decent but not great.

Yes,  Connection is critical to BO2.  If you set your Match search preference to BEST and play solo you should get decent connection.

however if you are in a party, I think you get the bottlenecked by your slowest connected member.

 

what Treyarch should have done is to convince Activision (fat $$ chance) to create dedicated console servers for this COD and any future CODs.

yes, Battlefield has Dedi servers and still has some connection issues but nowhere as bad as COD which is mostly peer to peer based.

greedy as they are, I don't see why Activision can't spend the $$ for Dedicated servers, throw in a few Dedi Server Only maps and charge Extra like BF does.

I think they should have also slowed the game down a bit by making bullet damage less and giving guns much more recoil so people can't just spray.

 

to me, BO2 feels more like MW3 than it does BO1.  Small maps and just run and gun gameflow.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 02:08
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Dude, you're canadian. I had a laggy ass time just trying to play spartan ops on your host. You know me, I'm no COD fanboy but anymore you've gotta give games some time at the start to deal with lag and bullshit like that.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:03
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IAmTheLiquor wrote:

Seriously.

 

 Every COD has had a shit launch but nothing has been like this. 

 

 

Obviously, you forget how bad the CoD4 launch was. It made live shit the bed for a week

 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:07
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Thank you for these comments I have been fighting with myself whether or not to buy the game. But apparently the lag issue hasn't been fixed. This was my issue with the first game. Loved MW2, but when everyone in Infinity Ward jumped ship, MP took a turn for the worst. 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:06
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Yeah, it isn't playable for me either.  First night (not day mind you, day sucked ass) was fine.  Bullets were registering, people were dying, what I saw was the same as on the kill cams.  My K/D was a bit lower than MW3 and way lower than Blops 1 but I chalked it up to still learning (me learns slow).

 

Next two days I had one, maybe two games where I went positive.  I'm the first to admit when I get out played, but 85% of the time I died I never stood a chance due to lag comp (or maybe I just have a shitty connection now in general).

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 11:31
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Guess who has two thumbs and doesn't give a sh*t about k/d, prestige, xp, etc.? This guy. Lag is horrible. I get frustrated with it but hopefully it will even out as people stop playing it. 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 12:06
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I loved BLOPS 1 and am disappointed to read this.  I haven't picked it up yet, but was planning on it tonight.  This saddens me.  I actually had a couple of arguments at the LAN because BLOPS 1 was my favorite of all the CoD titles so this would be really disheartening if it holds true.  I am going to wait now I think.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 12:15
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I don't really give a shit about the k/d, I was simply using it as a gauge to prove my point. I didn't miraculously cut my stats in half over night after 7 years of playing. Also my Canadian connection is also not the problem as I have been on the same connection since cod4. It would be what is known as a "constant" in this experiment of blops failure.

 

what I do care about is having fun and being put on a somewhat even playing field. As of now it's not even close.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:13
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I have only had a few incidents really where the lag was really noticeable...and the group I was in just switched rooms after those games.  There is usually 4-6 of us and we've been pretty much sticking to hardore tdm so the gametype may have something to do with it, but I usually remain positive and haven't bumped into any "invincible" people.  The group I normally play with is mostly central-east where I'm in the west so its not really a clustered connection either.  I agree some of the maps aren't the best, but there are a couple good ones and for the most part do feel balanced.  I agree with the OP that the pick 10 is pretty sweet though I do wish they would show the changes between equipped and selection stats on weapons like they have in the past.  Hopefully a fix comes along and you guys can find some enjoyment in the game.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:43
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So yes, Blops 2 has some big issues.  I agree with a lot of other people here, the connections feel "wrong".  Unless you have a true advantage on someone in this game you will lose 85% of the time. (and in most cases you will still lose). 

 

Even playing solo mm, which should give you the best connections, I still see issues.  In theory it should be giving local people who's connections are under 50 ping.   I have FIOS 75/35.  My ping local is 20 ms ands I still see connections way off.  Why is this? I have not a clue.  I do know the game's graphics have been getting better and better, while they keep adding more things.  Ex. Live Stream, Theater Modes, Spectating, Destructible environments. etc...  All of these items require more strain on the hardware, which other than the small update, has been the same since 2005.   

 

Yet to put developers in between a rock and a hard place, gamers are demanding newer functionality with every release.  On top of that, Gamers now have this attention span for the current game for a year.  How do you expect a developer to blow your socks off with 7 year old hardware and franchises that have been around just as long with releases almost a year apart. I don't believe they can.  Has anyone ever said" Madden 20xx is completely different.  You can throw the ball and catch it. OMFG".  

 

For some of us more enthusiast of the FPS gaming there has not been anything new for some time.  We hold COD4 up on this pedestal like its the god of all COD games, but that was awesome because it was different at the time.  I just don't think there is much more creativity that can happen in a FPS anymore.  Honestly what is the major different between playing Doom on the 360 vs playing COD? The basics are the same: a map you run around on, a gun in front of you, you shoot the enemy, you change weapons, and you die.  So does having the perks, scorestreaks, and different guns really make it a better game.  I don't think so. I'll play domination in 8 bit minecraft style if it will give everyone a good connection and we have fun.  

 

 Back to the topic, this game is okay.  Its been built off it previous titles and well is more of the same.  Will I play for a year, yup.  Will I get my k/d over 1.2, maybe but unlikely.  Treyarch does have a good history on supporting their games.  Will it get better maybe, but either way they already got my initial investment.  

 

 

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Just got the game lastnight, played it pretty much all the way up until 1am. Did not have one issue with lag or anything that you all are saying.......maybe im just lucky?

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Reddot82 wrote:

Just got the game lastnight, played it pretty much all the way up until 1am. Did not have one issue with lag or anything that you all are saying.......maybe im just lucky?

I picked the game up yesterday as well and had a good experience technically (skill wise I still stink  smiley)  both last night and this afternoon while the kids were napping. I havent had any issues with lag or freezing like I have read elsewhere. Consider me lucky too.

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I am going to do some more testing tonight to see if I can alleviate some of the issues I am having

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 18:13
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Some problems for the first two days, now game has a little better feel to . I expected it to have issues at release,there should a fix coming out soon

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Had some good games early, then some shit games.  It's not a bad game if they can sort out the lag.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 10:49 (Reply to #19)
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Lala Calamari wrote:

Had some good games early, then some shit games.  It's not a bad game if they can sort out the lag.

 

Did you start having issues after they did the update? 

 

We did.  We were completly destroying teams on nuketown for like 10 games, then they pushed out a update and kicked us all out while the severs  were down.  After that update they pushed another one and hte connections were trash again.  

 

Before they pushed the 1st update things were awesome.  Connections were solid and there was no lag at all.  IT IS POSSIBLE THIS GAME CAN WROK!!!  

 

FYI Warthogs are one of the best kill/score streaks ever.  

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Cerberus4417 wrote:

Lala Calamari wrote:

Had some good games early, then some shit games.  It's not a bad game if they can sort out the lag.

 

Did you start having issues after they did the update? 

 

I guess so.  I played early (7EST to about 9EST) and it was fine.  Switched to Halo 4 and came back to Blops around Midnight.  I didn't notice that there was an  update.  Then again, I was more focused on beer consumption.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 08:03
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Had fun last night. A few "WTF" moments for sure but much better then launch day.  I have found once I slowed down a bit and quit trying to spaz like the rest, I am doing MUCH better. Need to log some more hours for a "final" opppinion/judgement call.

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Gunny wrote:

Had fun last night. A few "WTF" moments for sure but much better then launch day.  I have found once I slowed down a bit and quit trying to spaz like the rest, I am doing MUCH better. Need to log some more hours for a "final" opppinion/judgement call.

Yea i was doing the same thing at first.....trying to play the spaz out run n gun style. Onc ei slowed down i did much better as well. also found myself doing MUCH better once i got in some hardcore games. Just wish they had all the game types on hardcore. Doesnt make much sense to only have all the options in core mode......maybe they will add them all in at a later date?  hope so

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Yea the game was working till that magical late night update after that shit was borked again

 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 15:16
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The Lag Compensation is definitely hit and miss right now.  If you find you're in a game where you can't hit the broad side of an ocean, bail out (or bail after the match ends) and do a new matchmake search.  Eventually you'll hit one where it feels "right".

 

There's a LOT of complaints about this right now, and Treyarch has a decent track record of supporting their games, so I'd wager they'll sort this out.  I know that BO1 for me used to be problematic...but playing it for a month before BO2's release, it ran smooth as silk, so they did some major work to that game over the course of its lifespan.

 

I think all of the MASSIVE connection issues worldwide right now on XBLA and PSN are probably also having a negative effect.  Those will for sure get sorted out in the next 1-2 weeks...Activision/Treyarch know that if they want people to pony up for all that juicy DLC Season Pass money, they'll have to get their shit together.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 10:56 (Reply to #25)
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Whiskey wrote:

I think all of the MASSIVE connection issues worldwide right now on XBLA and PSN are probably also having a negative effect.  Those will for sure get sorted out in the next 1-2 weeks...Activision/Treyarch know that if they want people to pony up for all that juicy DLC Season Pass money, they'll have to get their shit together.

 

This.

 

You had two of Xboxs biggest franchises come out within a week of each other.  I am surprised actually Live did not completely self combust on itself. Sure the Game Lag comp has issues but I am sure Live is also exaggerating those issues as well just from the shear volume of people.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 11:49
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I couldn't agree more that this game is the worst COD ever made. However, it has nothing to do with connection in my case, and has everything to do with small maps and gun balances. This game is a cluster fuck of Timmies hip firing smg's and shotguns, complimented with non-stop kill streaks and set objective points for maximum kill whoring. I was Treyarch's biggest fan before this and am severely disappointed.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 12:47
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I do not know if I like it better because of the Lag but if that calms down I probably will say I like it the best so far. I was tired of playing S&D on MW3 and running all the way across the map just to be shot by someone in their spawn with a sniper rifle when they were on offense. It gets old. I have been dealing with that for years.........story time........

Back in 2004 on the Original XBOX I was playing clan matches on GB with Ghost Recon 2. Back then you would switch off all nades, etc. It would be strictly shooting and one team won the round only when the other team was all dead (Last Man Standing). I remember playing a 9 hour clan match that started at 8PM and ended just after 5AM because the other team wouldnt leave their spawn and when they got down to 1 player that player went way back in the map and hid. Those maps were huge and you couldn't run them down in the time allotted. We even had to play 2 men down because they fell asleep. I have had a huge chip on my shoulder for people who play for K/D or camp when it goes against the game play such as camping in spawn on offense.  I have no problem people "camping" on defense. 

So all in all I like the small maps because once lag compensation is retired it will come to gun skill and objectives......hopefully....until then I will walk proudly into the other persons spawn with my .6 K/D and get sniped. 

 

 

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have had hit or miss connections. otherwise, besides the new killstreak system and superiority of smgs, this title is just about the same as the previous ones. K/D is slightly lower, but that's to be expected when game first releases when we first learn the maps.

 

you want to have a better chance of winning gun battles, run with an smg or a quick scope sniper. both are insanely overpowered at the moment. It will onnly be a matter of time before they're nerfed.

if you have to run an AR class, the two single shot rifles are the best.

 

Keep your first 2 killstreaks lower and support related. The K/D will come.

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 I was having HORRIBLE games for the first two days. I normally run belt-fed or a suppressed AR and couldn't borrow a kill. Like the original poster I also run with the same succesful group starting with COD4 and my k/d (the only stat I really care for) is normally between 1.4 to 1.6 from game launch through end. My connections aren't bad through a broadband and Halo 4 seems fine for me.

However, when I switched to running a pistol I noticed that I started owning people. Use an AR, get raped. Switch to pistol, become godlike unstoppable?? ... all in the same room??

Don't get it.

I'll give it another try in a couple of days (when I'm not playing SWToR on PC that is).

Perhaps I should clarify, I play on LIVE. Friends that I have that run both consoles always report they run rampant on PS3 with the same game. I tell them it's because they're primarily running against little asian kids trying to toss electrons over the Pacific but they continue to claim supremacy.

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My connections and hit detection have been pretty suspect lately, I know it can mean little but I typically always have FULL bars and I still lose gun fights and have some real WTF moments.

 

I have fired from the hip at point blank range close enough to hug the other player and STILL get HIT MARKERS....W....T....F?

I like the burst rifles, and it seems they really depend on a good connection to kill another player, I switched to the SMR and started to have better luck as that gun kills in 2 hits.

Snipers are fierce in this game. The quick scoping is just silly, you should be able to run & gun with a sniper rifle FFS!

2 other players in the lobby were saying that players can now buy modded controllers that combine the ADS and trigger button to function as one when they want to "quickscope" WTF is that?!

 

In 3 domination games last night, we had a player on our team go 58-10, 44-5, 53-13 using the first shotty you get.80

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