Csr or Gt3 with csr elite pedals?
Weary of the build quality and problems with the csr....anything improved?
And I don't need ps3 or xbox compatibility
Csr $199
Gt3 with pedal $249
I have had the CSR wheel coming up on almost a year now and the only problem I have had with them was user error. I bought a wheelstand from Fanatec and have the wheel and pedals mounted. The wheel has worked great for me on the xbox and pc (really comes alive on the pc). When I thought I had an issue I contacted Fanatec support and I must say I was impressed, they responded quickly each time and I was back under way. Turns out I was trying to change modes using the wrong button.
Yup ditto, CSR best bang for buck out there and no build issues to speak of at all, your thinking of the Elite. Porsche nice but the heavier wheel does dampen the FFB a tad according to reports comparing the two. As has been said it really comes to life on the PC. On saying that I am considering a Porsche wheel as a back up just cause it looks nice and for a bit of variety. But if I was buying for the first time again? CSR
I don't think the standard CSR has had many issues, as it's actually a evolution of the Porsche wheels. The CSR-E (Elite) has been the one I've been seeing most of the issues with.
Between the 2, it will just come down to personal preference. If you run any driving games on the x360, the CSR may be the better way to go. They will both work on PS3 & PC.
FF Response : CSR - Due to lighter wheel rim (supposively, from what I've read). I typically only run @ 40% FF on my GT3RS & GT2, so this is a non-issue for me.
Wheel Feel : GT3RS - The full alcantara wrapped rim is heaven. Comfortable thumbshelf. The steel core rim while heavier (and supposively "deadens" FF response slightly) feels solid.
Paddle Shifters : CSR - More "positive" action/engagement. The aluminum extensions on the GT3RS wheel are comfortable & convienent reach...just lack as much of a positive "click".
Asthetics : GT3RS - This catagory is purely subjective and will vary from user to user. To me, the CSR looks like a boy-racer toy (the big FM logo doesn't help it's case). I very much prefer the Porsche styled wheel of the Porsche wheel series.
Pedals I would definetely go with either the CSR-E Pedals or CSPs for the load cell. The standard (CSR) pedals will work if you can't afford one of the load cell sets, but make sure you allot a couple extra bucks for a BasherBoards pedal filter if you go that route (not required for the load cell style pedals).
I loved my GT2, so I went with a GT3RS for the sim rig. For me between the 2 was a no brainer. I've got the GT2 for x360 use, and in regards to the other areas, the GT3 won out over the CSR...hands down. Keep in mind, this is mearly my opinion...and others will vary. Lawyer for example would take a CSR hands down over the GT2/GT3RS. I personally couldn't stand looking at the CSR for the extended periods that I spend in the rig...especially with only the partial alcantera covering on the wheel (feel as well as asthetics).
I don't think the standard CSR has had many issues, as it's actually a evolution of the Porsche wheels. The CSR-E (Elite) has been the one I've been seeing most of the issues with.
Between the 2, it will just come down to personal preference. If you run any driving games on the x360, the CSR may be the better way to go. They will both work on PS3 & PC.
FF Response : CSR - Due to lighter wheel rim (supposively, from what I've read). I typically only run @ 40% FF on my GT3RS & GT2, so this is a non-issue for me.
Wheel Feel : GT3RS - The full alcantara wrapped rim is heaven. Comfortable thumbshelf. The steel core rim while heavier (and supposively "deadens" FF response slightly) feels solid.
Paddle Shifters : CSR - More "positive" action/engagement. The aluminum extensions on the GT3RS wheel are comfortable & convienent reach...just lack as much of a positive "click".
Asthetics : GT3RS - This catagory is purely subjective and will vary from user to user. To me, the CSR looks like a boy-racer toy (the big FM logo doesn't help it's case). I very much prefer the Porsche styled wheel of the Porsche wheel series.
Pedals I would definetely go with either the CSR-E Pedals or CSPs for the load cell. The standard (CSR) pedals will work if you can't afford one of the load cell sets, but make sure you allot a couple extra bucks for a BasherBoards pedal filter if you go that route (not required for the load cell style pedals).
I loved my GT2, so I went with a GT3RS for the sim rig. For me between the 2 was a no brainer. I've got the GT2 for x360 use, and in regards to the other areas, the GT3 won out over the CSR...hands down. Keep in mind, this is mearly my opinion...and others will vary. Lawyer for example would take a CSR hands down over the GT2/GT3RS. I personally couldn't stand looking at the CSR for the extended periods that I spend in the rig...especially with only the partial alcantera covering on the wheel (feel as well as asthetics).
You look at you wheel? damn I don't get the time...Oh and a sticker over the logo fixes that one tiny detail LOL The plastic has one unexpected bonus..it stays cool and I often shift my hands to it when I get hot. Its horses for courses neither of us have both wheels and will sing the praises of the one we have...showing I think that either one will make you happy
You look at you wheel? damn I don't get the time...Oh and a sticker over the logo fixes that one tiny detail LOL The plastic has one unexpected bonus..it stays cool and I often shift my hands to it when I get hot. Its horses for courses neither of us have both wheels and will sing the praises of the one we have...showing I think that either one will make you happy
With how much we pay for the stuff...is it wrong to want to like the way it looks in addition to it's performance? I actually wear thin mountain biking gloves when I'm racing any ways. I move my hands around a bit as well to relax the muscles...for me moving to different texture materials drives me crazy on a steering wheel. But I've got a couple screws loose.
I absolutely agree with you though...you can't go wrong with either one.
Awesome reviews guys! Thnx
Now here's my reasoning for these 2....
Csr...newer, I believe it has 3 motors as opposed to 2? Can u really feel the difference
Csr alone $200 add csr elite pedals $350+$40 shipping.....est $400
I don't use the flappy paddles and don't care for the looks either. I also only need the wheel for pc
Gt3rs...tried and tested! And gotten good reviews, iam currently using a g27...reviews say they are similar with ffb and wheel feel going to the Gt3 due to belt driven motors and alcantara rim....
Gt3+csr elite pedals+shifters+shipping=$325 I didn't calculate taxes in the csr so the question is $100 more worth it?
Awesome reviews guys! Thnx Now here's my reasoning for these 2.... Csr...newer, I believe it has 3 motors as opposed to 2? Can u really feel the difference Csr alone $200 add csr elite pedals $350+$40 shipping.....est $400 I don't use the flappy paddles and don't care for the looks either. I also only need the wheel for pc Gt3rs...tried and tested! And gotten good reviews, iam currently using a g27...reviews say they are similar with ffb and wheel feel going to the Gt3 due to belt driven motors and alcantara rim.... Gt3+csr elite pedals+shifters+shipping=$325 I didn't calculate taxes in the csr so the question is $100 more worth it?
Well to be honest mate your mind is 75% made up, CSR is tried and tested it is the final develpment of that line of design..I would stll choose it as a first wheel because of that...but there is nowt wrong with the Porsche and your leaning quite hard that way, just order it and be done LOL
Guts of the CSR & GT3 are almost identical. Both single motor units. The CSR-E & CSW use dual motors...and those are the ones that have been having more reported issues.
As for the add-on shifters...they are alright...but I'd save the money (if you were adding them on seperately) to put towards a TH8RS (or Derek Speare Design Sequential).
LOL no I agree and that is why I would still go with the CSR, it is more like a racing wheel and the Porsche is a saloon car wheel, but as I am thinking of getting one...well it just proves what we are both saying whatever our mutual friend buys he will be a happy camper...Though I may have an offer of a job as a sound enginneer and tutor in the new year and that will mean a T500 quite soon after and no mistake :)
I owned the GT2 and CSR wheels for about a year each. I eventually sold both of them, but its not because I did not like them. Both are excellent wheels.
Overall, I liked the CSR better than the GT2 because of a couple of reasons. First, the CSR runs cooler than the GT2, I suspect because the vents for it are wider. Second, the CSR paddle shifters are much better than the paddle shifters on the GT2. They are larger, and have a better, more solid feel to them. I found that the force feedback on the CSR wheel was smoother than the force feedback on the GT2. And now, the CSR is $50 cheaper than the GT2.
All of that being said, if you like to put your hands at 10 and 2 o'clock, then the GT2 is a much better wheel for you. When I got the CSR, I had to adjust to putting my hands at 9 and 3 o'clock, because that is where the alcantara is located. Its not comfortable to hold the CSR and 10 and 2 o'clock because there is plastic, not alcantara up there.
I currently own a T500RS and a CSR Elite. Both are superb, for somewhat different reasons. But, there is no question in my mind that the CSR is the best deal in racing wheels that you can get. Its proven, reliable technology. But, the GT2 and its twin brother, the GT3RS, are also excellent and would serve you well.
I have the GT3RS with regular Pedals (with the BasherBoards filter) and a TH8RS Shifter.
To date I have experienced no major issues with my wheel at all. I agree with helios that the Alcantara wrap is awesome in terms of feel.
Force Feedback is something I haven't had any issues with. I went from the MS Wheel for Forza, to a Logitech Driving Force GT to the GT3RS. The FF is excellent on the GT3RS and is even better with the RealFeel mod for rF1.
I did have a small issue last week where the wheel went "off center" but I fixed it by doing a recalibration and so far so good. I have put quite a few miles on the wheel since I purchased it as I easily put ~3 hours a day of use on the wheel and there has been the odd time where I've forgotten to turn it off and its run for a couple of days.
I know I was REALLY wary about buying the wheel/pedals but I've been happy thus far. Hope that helps with your decision.
...Depends on what's sitting on the shelves in the Cali warehouse at the time. I think they did something last year...but it was a limited number of units.
...Depends on what's sitting on the shelves in the Cali warehouse at the time. I think they did something last year...but it was a limited number of units.
My recollection is that Fanatec did a 1/2 deal on the Rennsport wheel stand last year for Black Friday. I do not recall them doing any deals on wheels or pedals.
I think they may have had something going, but it certainly wasn't on the newly released CSR. If there was it was likely the GT3RS/GT2. But I may be thinking the year before too... I know they don't do anything often, and when they do it's always in limited quantiites.
Yea the only sale on wheels they had last year was the GT3R package. I remember because I was buy a wheel around that same time and e-mailed them about the possibility of an xbox compatable wheel having a sale. The Rennsport stand went on sale about 2 weeks after I got mine :( still to me very well worth the money. The CSR bolts to the stand, I bought the bracket plate to go behind the pedals and it does a great job.
I am going nuts waiting til I can unpack all my stuff again in March at the new house and start actually racing. Horizon is keeping me going but I keep seeing my F1 2012 game looking at me. That and everytime I go online I see an iracing ad.
Hey I forgot to put in my post but Fanatec did do a Black Friday sale, it just happened like a day or two late. I can't remember the guys name over there but he had posted a comment on duing this crazy American thing. Thats when I noticed the sale and called. Not sure if they are going to do it again this year or not.
Not yet....I've asked for cash for Xmas and have 4 bills to work with and iam undecided if I want a csr + csr elite pedals or a csr elite and use my g27 pedals for the now till I can get afford a set......but then iam still concidering the Gt rs3 with elite csr pedals for $260 and buying a Derek speares shiter or trackir5 ? So many decisions
Thrustmaster's TH8RS is a pretty decent shifter that has both sequential & manual modes if you wanted to save a couple bucks over the DSD shifter. If you are looking for the ultimate sequential though, the DSD is tough to beat.
im itching madly waiting for my CSW to turn up i think ill be having a coupla sick days from work just to setup as my rig & mount for the wheel base both need adjusting to fit
I have had the CSR wheel coming up on almost a year now and the only problem I have had with them was user error. I bought a wheelstand from Fanatec and have the wheel and pedals mounted. The wheel has worked great for me on the xbox and pc (really comes alive on the pc). When I thought I had an issue I contacted Fanatec support and I must say I was impressed, they responded quickly each time and I was back under way. Turns out I was trying to change modes using the wrong button.
Yup ditto, CSR best bang for buck out there and no build issues to speak of at all, your thinking of the Elite. Porsche nice but the heavier wheel does dampen the FFB a tad according to reports comparing the two. As has been said it really comes to life on the PC. On saying that I am considering a Porsche wheel as a back up just cause it looks nice and for a bit of variety. But if I was buying for the first time again? CSR
I don't think the standard CSR has had many issues, as it's actually a evolution of the Porsche wheels. The CSR-E (Elite) has been the one I've been seeing most of the issues with.
Between the 2, it will just come down to personal preference. If you run any driving games on the x360, the CSR may be the better way to go. They will both work on PS3 & PC.
FF Response : CSR - Due to lighter wheel rim (supposively, from what I've read). I typically only run @ 40% FF on my GT3RS & GT2, so this is a non-issue for me.
Wheel Feel : GT3RS - The full alcantara wrapped rim is heaven. Comfortable thumbshelf. The steel core rim while heavier (and supposively "deadens" FF response slightly) feels solid.
Paddle Shifters : CSR - More "positive" action/engagement. The aluminum extensions on the GT3RS wheel are comfortable & convienent reach...just lack as much of a positive "click".
Asthetics : GT3RS - This catagory is purely subjective and will vary from user to user. To me, the CSR looks like a boy-racer toy (the big FM logo doesn't help it's case). I very much prefer the Porsche styled wheel of the Porsche wheel series.
Pedals I would definetely go with either the CSR-E Pedals or CSPs for the load cell. The standard (CSR) pedals will work if you can't afford one of the load cell sets, but make sure you allot a couple extra bucks for a BasherBoards pedal filter if you go that route (not required for the load cell style pedals).
I loved my GT2, so I went with a GT3RS for the sim rig. For me between the 2 was a no brainer. I've got the GT2 for x360 use, and in regards to the other areas, the GT3 won out over the CSR...hands down. Keep in mind, this is mearly my opinion...and others will vary. Lawyer for example would take a CSR hands down over the GT2/GT3RS. I personally couldn't stand looking at the CSR for the extended periods that I spend in the rig...especially with only the partial alcantera covering on the wheel (feel as well as asthetics).
You look at you wheel? damn I don't get the time...Oh and a sticker over the logo fixes that one tiny detail LOL The plastic has one unexpected bonus..it stays cool and I often shift my hands to it when I get hot. Its horses for courses neither of us have both wheels and will sing the praises of the one we have...showing I think that either one will make you happy
I absolutely agree with you though...you can't go wrong with either one.
Well to be honest mate your mind is 75% made up, CSR is tried and tested it is the final develpment of that line of design..I would stll choose it as a first wheel because of that...but there is nowt wrong with the Porsche and your leaning quite hard that way, just order it and be done LOL
Guts of the CSR & GT3 are almost identical. Both single motor units. The CSR-E & CSW use dual motors...and those are the ones that have been having more reported issues.
As for the add-on shifters...they are alright...but I'd save the money (if you were adding them on seperately) to put towards a TH8RS (or Derek Speare Design Sequential).
Oh yeah shifters...forget them rubbish, I got them and never use them they are like toys.
LOL no I agree and that is why I would still go with the CSR, it is more like a racing wheel and the Porsche is a saloon car wheel, but as I am thinking of getting one...well it just proves what we are both saying whatever our mutual friend buys he will be a happy camper...Though I may have an offer of a job as a sound enginneer and tutor in the new year and that will mean a T500 quite soon after and no mistake :)
I owned the GT2 and CSR wheels for about a year each. I eventually sold both of them, but its not because I did not like them. Both are excellent wheels.
Overall, I liked the CSR better than the GT2 because of a couple of reasons. First, the CSR runs cooler than the GT2, I suspect because the vents for it are wider. Second, the CSR paddle shifters are much better than the paddle shifters on the GT2. They are larger, and have a better, more solid feel to them. I found that the force feedback on the CSR wheel was smoother than the force feedback on the GT2. And now, the CSR is $50 cheaper than the GT2.
All of that being said, if you like to put your hands at 10 and 2 o'clock, then the GT2 is a much better wheel for you. When I got the CSR, I had to adjust to putting my hands at 9 and 3 o'clock, because that is where the alcantara is located. Its not comfortable to hold the CSR and 10 and 2 o'clock because there is plastic, not alcantara up there.
I currently own a T500RS and a CSR Elite. Both are superb, for somewhat different reasons. But, there is no question in my mind that the CSR is the best deal in racing wheels that you can get. Its proven, reliable technology. But, the GT2 and its twin brother, the GT3RS, are also excellent and would serve you well.
I have the GT3RS with regular Pedals (with the BasherBoards filter) and a TH8RS Shifter.
To date I have experienced no major issues with my wheel at all. I agree with helios that the Alcantara wrap is awesome in terms of feel.
Force Feedback is something I haven't had any issues with. I went from the MS Wheel for Forza, to a Logitech Driving Force GT to the GT3RS. The FF is excellent on the GT3RS and is even better with the RealFeel mod for rF1.
I did have a small issue last week where the wheel went "off center" but I fixed it by doing a recalibration and so far so good. I have put quite a few miles on the wheel since I purchased it as I easily put ~3 hours a day of use on the wheel and there has been the odd time where I've forgotten to turn it off and its run for a couple of days.
I know I was REALLY wary about buying the wheel/pedals but I've been happy thus far. Hope that helps with your decision.
Cheers!
Doubt it, it's an American thing we don't do here in Europe.
...Depends on what's sitting on the shelves in the Cali warehouse at the time. I think they did something last year...but it was a limited number of units.
My recollection is that Fanatec did a 1/2 deal on the Rennsport wheel stand last year for Black Friday. I do not recall them doing any deals on wheels or pedals.
Oh yeah I forgot there were Fanatec dealers in the US, might be lucky then
I think they may have had something going, but it certainly wasn't on the newly released CSR. If there was it was likely the GT3RS/GT2. But I may be thinking the year before too... I know they don't do anything often, and when they do it's always in limited quantiites.
Yea the only sale on wheels they had last year was the GT3R package. I remember because I was buy a wheel around that same time and e-mailed them about the possibility of an xbox compatable wheel having a sale. The Rennsport stand went on sale about 2 weeks after I got mine :( still to me very well worth the money. The CSR bolts to the stand, I bought the bracket plate to go behind the pedals and it does a great job.
I am going nuts waiting til I can unpack all my stuff again in March at the new house and start actually racing. Horizon is keeping me going but I keep seeing my F1 2012 game looking at me. That and everytime I go online I see an iracing ad..gif "70")
Any chance you will be joining us here in the BTCC and Clio on Race 07?
Hey I forgot to put in my post but Fanatec did do a Black Friday sale, it just happened like a day or two late. I can't remember the guys name over there but he had posted a comment on duing this crazy American thing. Thats when I noticed the sale and called. Not sure if they are going to do it again this year or not.
So, did you pull the trigger on a new wheel yet.
Thrustmaster's TH8RS is a pretty decent shifter that has both sequential & manual modes if you wanted to save a couple bucks over the DSD shifter. If you are looking for the ultimate sequential though, the DSD is tough to beat.
im itching madly waiting for my CSW to turn up i think ill be having a coupla sick days from work just to setup as my rig & mount for the wheel base both need adjusting to fit
You realize you are no longer Smok3y, right. You are now officially "Big Smok3". Baller status w/ your CSW.
lol i might be slower with it :(
I want a CSW lol sooooooooo nice want to touch the hiney.