I Want President Clinton Back

Could it be that the patchouli wearing hippies as well as the returning vets that were protesting the war were right? We lost that war because we had no business being there. WW2 was "successful" for many reasons among which was we had a clear goal/objective. When it was reached it was over, the shooting and bombing stopped. Then started the Cold War which is another story all together. We have no business being in Iraq! Did everyone forget that Saddam(yes he is an asshole and a scary guy) had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11? By your reasoning, if we should support the government during a war no matter what,(Slaughtering millions of Native Americans, killing millions of Jews, throwing out the Geneva Convention?) we would still be under British rule because they were, technically at war. As a citizen of the USA, it is our right and duty to question what our government is doing and to make changes as needed. That is what our founding fathers wanted.

Bats, No the people of Germany were not behind their government fully. Hell, Hitler was trying to eliminate half of his own population. A_Burn, in my opinion, unless our government is attacking its people with weapons, then yes I support the military to the fullest extent. And I'll go now, and leave you all in here to your Hippy love fest and go back to my warmongering ways elsewhere. But Bats, you're the reason I'm in here anyway, you mentioned it in your blog so I had to come over here and see what kind of crazy liberal crap was being spewed. I'll be alright, I'll just take a pill.

I know no one wants to be deployed and miss their children growing up. I didn't mean to imply anywhere that anyone who was against the war was "UnAmerican." I hope it didn't come across that way. I myself am a veteran. I signed up when Desert Shield started. By the time my training was over so was the war. I was actually thinking of making the military my career when Slick Willy's everything Military must go sale went on. And thus ended my thoughts of a military career. So, come to think of it, I kind understand where you are coming from with your thoughts on Bush. I couldn't see myself serving under someone who wouldn't serve their country when they were called upon. The fact that he was a draft dodger alone should have barred him from even being eligible to run for President. We are just going to have to agree to disagree on this subject.

Bio- I couldn't have said more eloquently than you just did. King- I think you've got the right idea, lets just agree to disagree. No hard feelings.

Sabre, You're going to come in here and start the hatred, then have the nerve to call me a traitor. Well, I've read some of your posts around the site and all I have to say is this: FUCK OFF TIMMY! Sorry about that Biorod, I was trying to keep it fairly intelligent in here, but I couldn't take this idiot anymore in here than I can around the site.

More BioRod gems!!!!! Well said my man well said!!!! - BAT

You're gonna make me put Halo in again just to vent some frustration aren't ya Bats? Just bustin' you nuts. You know I love ya. :-)

Soup: We are the most influential nation in the world. Not only with great power comes great responsibility (thank you uncle Ben), but that power cannot be abused, otherwise it causes violent backlash (aka Terrorism). Therefore it is important for the US to become involved, and yet show restraint. Bio: As far as Clinton goes, I like his domestic policy. However you must agree that his foreign policy is just as trashy as anyone else, despite his pretty rhetoric.

I'm man enough to apologize. And I am sorry I was so harsh. It just so happens that I read your reply after something here at work pissed me off and I overreacted. Not gonna Hug though, Don't want any Hippy cooties. j/k :-)

"Hippy Cooties" !!??? See what Im talking about, such a shame. If he would just take his meds he wouldn't say such silly things :-) In all serious im proud to be your clan mate King, well done on the apology front!!!! Now Im ready when ever you are my brother, pop that dirty old halo 2 disc in your Box and lets settle this like a good liberal and right wing wacko should in the Halo Ring! :-) LOL - BAT

Sabres, the reason KingBayman called you out was not because of what your opinion is, but the innappropriate way in which you chose to express it. Bayman and Bats are good friends even though they are almost always on opposite ends of a political debate. They disagree, they state their opinions strongly, but they never resort to namecalling. Both of them are mature enough to realize that such actions are pointless. Bayman has proven time and again that he can keep his cool even when confronted with opinions he does not share. You have proven just the opposite. I think you have some serious growing up left to do. When you say something like this: "I despise Bush apologists who shove their heads in the sand and quote old, worn-out RNC talking points." you have crossed the line. Name calling and bashing other members like this is a big no-no. Let me school you on the difference here: Let's say I find a thread in which people are discussing Michael Jackson, his life, his music, whatever. If I were to post in that thread: "Michael Jackson is a moron. I hate that guy." I am not directly attacking anybody on the site. (As far as I know, Jacko is not a member here.) Other people may not agree with this statement, it might even make them mad, but I'm not attacking them, so it's "safe". If, however, I were to post: "Anybody who listens to Michael Jackson music is a queer and I hope they die in a fire." well that my friend is crossing the line. At that point I have actually leveled an attack at the other people personally, not just their opinions. Uncool, unkind, and definitely uncalled for. It doesn't matter that I didn't name someone specifically, because the intent was clear. Your comment of "I made a general statement, if the shoe fits wear it" is way off the mark. You knew precisely what you were doing, so don't try to hide behind the cop-out of "it's my opinion and I'm entitled to it." Sabres you are of course entitled to your opinion, but you could try to be a bit less offensive in expressing it. Guys like you are starting to give the site a bad name. Every time a political discussion comes up you feel like you have to run in and bash somebody. I've seen this action from site members on the left, right and center and some of them are starting to be very recognizable as shit-stirrers. Is this the kind of reputation you crave? You won't be able to hide behind the "people don't like my opinion so they don't like me argument", because you will find that even people that agree with your general sentiment still dislike the way you express it. It makes me sad to read that other people on this site have become so dissappointed with the childish conduct in some of the threads that they are starting to spend less time here. I've seen recent comments in people's blogs expressing how it bums them out to see the kind of vitriol and malice that you have displayed in here. Before your comment the discussion was proceeding in a civil manner. Widely varying opinions were being expressed without malicious name calling. But you killed that Sabres. You killed a beautiful thing, and for that you should apologize. And I mean a real apology, not that bogus one in your previous comment where you spent an entire paragraph bashing Bayman and then tacked a "I'm sorry" on the end. It's not a real apology until you realize that what you have done is wrong, and you make an effort not to be "that guy" again in the future.

nice crane! god you put that together well!!!

WHOA! biorod is god?, man next time we play im gonna run some unanswered prayers by you, see if you can hook a brotha' up

My only question to your last sentence would be: Why do we have to provide it?

No, i understand what you're saying, I just dislike that we have to be the ones to provide the Leadership all the time. It goes to how people hate our foreign policy, yet, if we pull back and isolate, they bitch and complain that we aren't doing enough. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

well, i should've known you werent him, since god 4 shots everytime(even on LIVE)

I think that being impeached might have a bearing on weather or not he is fit to be president. Anyone can have answers written for him to look good on LK, but when it hits the fan, we all know how Clinton dealt with things. He didn't take Bin Laden when he was offered to us on a silver platter. But he did launch a missle in the general direction of some terrorists when he needed to divert media attention from him getting BJ's from an intern in the oval office. Is Bush perfect? No, but Clinton was a joke. Why do you think that a republican won? And don't tell me it was election fraud. :)

Hang on!!! Rudi Guiliani is on the way!!!!

Bah... I used to dislike Clinton, but I've drifted to the very center in recent years, and in Hindsight, it was a mistake to have impeached him. Was he wrong in lying to the American people? Yes, but the push to impeach him was the start of the polarization that politics are feeling and have been feeling for the last 10 years or more. Dems are looking for payback and if they get control of Congress, may try to impeach Bush, which, I feel, would also be a mistake. I hate both parties with a passion, as neither represents me or my values.

Clinton wasn't impeached because of a blowjob. He was impeached because he lied under oath about the blow-job. Huge difference.

Problem is, Clinton was never a leader. Not here in this country and certainly not in the rest of the world. He was limp. More so even than Bush. Yeah, he's better at sound bites but that doesn't equate to leadership.

(dreaming of a threesome with Hilary Clinton and Laura Bush)

OMFG...please don't get me started! Clinton, seriously? i thought this was a no bush bashing zone?

Im not for Bush by any means...but a real leader wouldn't draft dodge. My dad fought in Vietnam while that douche was off doing his own thing. He ignored his duty. Thats not a leader.

Being under the microscope can kill anyone with political skills that can do our country good when bad pr is the outcome. Media has a job and some excell too well at finding National Enquirer type dirt. Bush the best choice, I dont think so, a skilled leader that lied under oath about a bj and he didnt inhale -Skills/Intergrity, vote for one you dont get both.

Everyone was so against the war, that Congress voted for it. Bush didn't do any of those things in office, has been clean and sober for years, and didn't lie about it. No hard feelings to anyone, we all have our opinions. Sorry to rain on your blog parade.

Wow Bio, I think this post is going to get the most responses ever! I'm neither a Demo or a Rep. But I really do miss Clinton. Yes he lied about the BJ etc. But the man was/is very articulate, very charismatic, and excellent at diplomacy(not giving other world leaders little nick names). I believe that the economy was much better during his administration in part because he had the air of confidence that made it seem like he should be there, unlike Bush who continually acts like Eddy Haskel(sp?) who is getting away with a huge prank. I personally hope that whoever the next Pres is, is someone who can rebuild our economy, our standing in the world community, is not bent on taking away our freedoms/rights and is not beholden to the religeous right.

=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> I have said now almost weekly...Biorod is my Hero!!! :-) All kidding aside I agree with you 100% I loved Clinton's quote from the New Yorker this week too. " I am sick of Karl Rove's bullshit." Woo Hoo thats what we need to hear on the home front!! And your right on the international and world front, his level of insight and knowledge and statesman ship is completely missing. Great post dude, loving your Blog keep up the great work!! - BAT

The reason we are having issues overtaking terrorists, (notice I didn't say insurgents) is because of stuff like the crap in this blog. When we are at war, you support the military. Last time I checked the office of the President of the United States is also the commander-in-chief. Yes Bush has said and done some bonehead things. But, in times of war you support your country. Period. End of story. Why was Vietnam such a clusterfuck? Because stinking dirty, shit between their toes, pachuli (sp?) smelling hippies didn't support their country. Why was WWII such a success even though millions more died? Because they had the support of the entire country. You ever heard of Divide and Conquer? When the war is over, then we should look into problems that may have occurred. The only thing that is important is that this war is won. Remember, whoever wins the war writes the history books. If Hitler won WWII, don't you think that the history books would have us as the evil ones? This is your blog and you're entitled to your opinion. I respect that. But get over it. Clinton is not coming back (THANK GOD!). That man is a waste of space on this planet. As far as I'm concerned he is only breathing air that could be used for better purposes. Like blowing up balloons. As far as the comment of a $400 billion surplus versus the current deficit, the surplus was only on paper anyway. It didn't actually exist. It was only a spin to try and make the Dumocrats look good to try and get that freak of nature and his censor happy wife Tipper elected to office.

Dear Biorod, I must apologize for the psychotic ramblings of KingBayman. You see he is in our clan and well, he has "mental problems" When he doesn't take his medication ...well these kind of post result. I will contact our overlord and be sure to get poor delusional Mr Bayman the medical assistance he requires. Ok you all can go back to work now...nothing here to see anymore. Come along King, We'll get you your medication and you can take your "Hippy" hating war toys and go play in the corner with the other loonies :-) - BAT P.S. Note to self be sure to jump out of any lobby with KingBayman for the next couple weeks . LOL Just bustin on ya big guy. :-) Oh one other thing, weren't the people of Germany solidly behind their governments war with the world? And they still lost...hhmmm...perhaps losing or winning wars has more to do with the Armies that fight them and the leaders that make the decisions about how to fight them, rather then by the support or lack of support on the home front.