TANKs BLOG : Home Theater PC Update

TANK

Shared on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 13:45
It's finally all working.  As per my previous update, i was having HDCP issues.  The Video card i had ordered, the Visiontek ATI HD 2400 Pro O/C had an on-board HDMI port and lists HDCP compliance on the box, but .... it's all lies.  The CyberLink BluRay Advisor tool failed the HDCP test over the HDMI port as well as over the DVI-I port with an HDMI converter.  It's possible i guess that maybe if my TV had a DVI-I port on it and i went DVI to DVI that it would pass, but DVI doesn't carry audio so that's not the solution I want anyway.

Now i did manage to get BluRay to play with the VisionTek card using analog VGA.  That presented two issues, first VGA also doesn't carry sound so it's not the solution i'm looking for and second when BluRay discs start enforcing HDCP which doesn't pass through analog hookups, i'd be down-rezed to 480p which i don't want but today that's not an issue.  So i did manage to play back but i found out the ATi 2400 series cards are only good up to 720p, at 1080p the video playback isn't smooth so that's also not what i want. 

So the short of it is, if you're building an HTPC, don't get an ATi 2000 series video card if you want to run 1080p.  You won't be happy with it.

Looking for a solution to my HDCP problem, i went to the AVS Forums, i knew those geeks would have the answer.  They recommended I buy a 3600 series card and recommended an MSI 3650 with built in HDMI.  A lot of cards don't have HDMI ports, you have to use a converter but then you loose sound.  So the pickings are only a few with onboard HDMI ports an MSI was one of them though i'd never heard of them before so i was a bit worried.  Newegg.com has the card for 75 bucks but there's a $25 mail in rebate so the cost of the card is 50 bucks, not bad i guess.  I bought my 2400 for about that much too after mail in rebate.

So this is what i bought: The

MSI R3650-MD512 OC Radeon HD 3650 512MB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card




So as you can see it's got DVI-I and HDMI plus a good heatsink with fan.  It was a pretty easy install since i'm going ATi to ATi and already had the latest 8.5 catalyst drivers installed.  After a reboot i was in business.  I fired up the Cyberlink BluRay advisor, passed on all lines which is something my 2400 wasn't doing, it was failing the last line which was HDCP compliance.  Dropped in Fantastic Four BluRay and fired up PowerDVD 8, it played !  All great signs but I was still running 720p.  So i adjust my resolution up to 1080p and fire up PowerDVD again, the playback is smooth were the old card was chunky, another great sign.  Last thing i do is open up my task manager and take a look at the CPU utilization.  For PowerDVD it's using 33% and for a system overall, about 50% utilization while playing back at 1080p full screen.  NICE!

My HTPC is finally doing what I had planned.  Still kind if irritated about the false advertising on the Visiontek box.  Safe to say i won't be buying another Visiontek product.

Comments

VenomRudman's picture
Submitted by VenomRudman on Sat, 05/31/2008 - 19:24
That case looks way cool. It really will fit into a stereo cabinet like it belongs there.
jquack's picture
Submitted by jquack on Sat, 05/31/2008 - 23:00
Nice setup Tank. I might get you to build my next one, it's a pain in the tail to get going. :)
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Submitted by TANK on Sat, 05/31/2008 - 23:16
Most of the hard part has been the component research .
dkhodz's picture
Submitted by dkhodz on Tue, 06/03/2008 - 14:22
Gyration remotes are awesome. I used to have one with my old HTPC.
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Submitted by Go_Aachmed on Sun, 03/23/2008 - 18:04
Hey Tank. I've been reading yor upadates and havce learned a lot from them, so thanks for sharing. About the VisionTek TV Wonder HD 600. It says it will record "free-to -air" tv but I'm a little confused. Shouldn't you be able to record live cable prgrams also? I assume your cable or dish network, whatever, would run through the pc also. Could you explain? Thanks.
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Submitted by TANK on Sun, 03/23/2008 - 20:09
Free-to-air is the same as saying over the air broadcasts. So you need an antenna on the outside of your house and then you can pickup free TV signals. It's this type of TV ocnnection that will no longer work as of Feb 2009 unless you get a converter box or get an HDTV antenna and an HDTV. This card will do antenna TV as well as cableTV. I don't know if it does satellite TV or not. I'm researching it right now to find out if it's dual tuner or not. Dual tuner is important because if you have dual tuners, you can be recording something and watch live TV on another channel at the same time. But if you only have 1 tuner, you can only do one thing at a time. So you can either watch live TV or you can record TV. You can also record TV and watch something that's already been recorded. So i really want dual tuners in this DVR.
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Submitted by GroovyElm on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 13:58
What are you using for a tuner card?
Caesar's picture
Submitted by Caesar on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 14:11
i love ati i have 2 ati cards i have a ati radeon x1900xtx 512 meg card with duel dvi and svideo hook up then i have a ati all in wonder internal cap card
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Submitted by SM05 on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 14:13
I used to run ATI 2400 series card in my slim desktop. When I go dual monitor I plan on getting one of those ATI 3450 series cards. They are better than older 2400 series and suppose to be able to handle 1080p just fine. I believe Newegg caries few of those, SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 3450 in particular. HTH.
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Submitted by TANK on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 14:22
@Groovy : I haven't gotten that far yet. I need to wait on that until I decide how i'm going to get HDTV. I'm leaning towards either Over the Air or DirectTV. So i need to decide on that and then I want dual tuners so i need a card with two tuners for the delivery method i've chosen or two cards. I have limited slots though but i've gained a PCI slot since the video card handles the audio in HDPC's not a sound card. Anyway shot of it is, that's next on the agenda. I'm also thinking how it's going to work recording a show and playing a DVD, is my processor peppy enough. It's a 2.2 gig Core2 duo, i may have to up to a quad. Not sure. Questions still to be answered. @Caesar : I like ATi as well. This isn't the last vidoe card i'll buy for the HTPC since right now mostly they only support 5.1 sound especially on the sub $100 cards. I'll need to upgrade to a video card that does 7.1 with all the latest HD audio codecs sometime in the future but right now no BluRay discs even support those new HD 7.1 channel audio formats so no point wasting money on a card that will right now. @SM05 : Ya the 3000 series cards are the new coolaid. The higher up the 3xxx it is, the higher it's capabilities. I went for the 3650 because with the rebate it was only 50 bucks and it had onboard HDMI which was a requirement. When you have on board HDMI as a requirement, the choices dwindle by about 95%. So this was one of the few that were available with onboard HDMI. And i can tell you that it handles 1080p just fine.
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Submitted by Caesar on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 14:51
yeah ive yet to hook my pc up to my tv yet. if i do i need to get a card similar to yours that has hdmi my tv has vga but my tower doesnt it only has dvi
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Submitted by SirPoonga on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 15:16
Tank, look at byopvr.com for tuner reviews and pcalchemy links. I know the dude that started that site. It's a good site site fore dvr/pvr information. I;d stick with wintv products, they have the most compatibility with software. I like Nvidia for gaming. But when it comes to hooking a PC to a TV or projector ATI does it right. ATI has a better DAC if you need to hook up to an analog TV. ATI has always been better with that type of stuff, even when 3dfx was their major competitor. I've owned only S3 and ATI products until this last build.
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Submitted by TANK on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 16:06
Thanks Poonga, i'll check out those sites when i'm ready to add DVR abilities. I need to decide first how i'm going to get those signals before i buy a card. Right now i'm leaning towards over the air.

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