2old2play is going through some massive changes in the coming months and we really want the communities help. In due time we're going to share all these changes with the community, but before that I would love to get some feed back from people who still visit 2o2p on a regular basis.
Our goal remains in being a central place for older gamers to meet, chat about games, and find others to play those games online with. With that in mind, we know we have had many missteps since V2 and that our overall design is not nearly inclusive enough for new people.
So, if you have ideas of your own or just want to voice an opinion, please do so here. If you want to be involved at a much higher level, then I encourage you send me an email at firstname.lastname@example.org and list your site username and any more info there.
Thanks again for supporting 2o2p and sticking with our community for so long. Game on!
It's about time to start talking about the changes coming to our little home and what to expect in the coming months. The good, the bad, and the ugly.
This post isn't meant to be a feature blast about what's in V4 (in fact V4 is a much more paired down version of 2o2p) but instead to let you guys know some time lines and things to look out for when it drops. I've been working on V4 behind the scenes solely in my freetime, and because of that I can't really give an accurate release date, but things are moving along fairly quickly at this point so I wanted to go through some things before hand to try and mitigate any surprise when we launch.
1) Why Do we need a V4?
Truth be told we don't. I suspect most of the members won't really care either way. Especially since over the past few year 2o2p has shrunk a substantial amount. Most members now do all their posting in chats, on social media, or have left and built their own copy of 2o2p. However there does remain a core group of dedicated members and an even larger group of readers.
The reason for the revamp is really to cater to this group while allowing me to experiment with some new tech and keep my coding chops up to date. It's probably 70% for my benefit and 30% the members, but it should make things a bit smoother going forward for everyone. I've added in things like mobile/table, simplified the navigation to only 3 buttons, and removed a lot of the clutter that 2o2p does't really need anymore to function. Simply put the revamp will focus primarily on what 2o2p was in the beginning; a forum to meet older gamers.
2) Will it be buggy?
Yep. The goal with the new launch is to push things out overtime, but launch with something that is minimally viable and work from there. I've got a list of some new features like tournaments and realtime chat, but those things will come together slowly and probably need a lot of testing from members before they're solid. I don't think we will have the same issues with the site that we had with V3 however. The speed problems were largely solved after V3 and with V4 a ton of the bloat is being removed in favor of something solid and simplistic. Having said that, there will be issues, errors, and bugs. I've only tested a little here and there so feedback will really be what drives solutions.
3) What about all the data?
Most of it will makes its way over but some things are going to get lost along the way. To specify blogs, comments, forums, and news are the main pieces of data that have been ported over. I will not be moving over Private Massage so if you have some you'd like to keep i suggest saving them now. Site points will also be ported over, but since it is a part of a new system on V4 it wont be there in the beginning.
Everything else not mentioned will be deleted forever. Unlike V2, there will not be a legacy link to fall back on after the launch. The goal is going to be a completely reboot of 2o2p. Some items here and there may get lost so be aware that your pictures, sigs, etc might need to be replaced. I suggest copying anything you might want to save for V4 now.
4) Forum mods and grou leaders?
There will need to be some heavy testing on permission once the new site launches. This is especially true for mods, writes, and leaders who have enhanced permissions. The new tournament systems allows for any member to build their own RoundRobin, Knockout, or Ladder style tournament and will need extensive testing by mods. Please keep in mind that posting privileges, access issues will be resolved as they come up. I'll really need all your help on this front!
5) What about the future of 2o2p?
More then likely 2old2play will not reach the size it was 3-4 years ago. There are simply to many games, copy cat sites, and social media avenues out there to compete with. However my goals with the site are to focus on our core. I'd like to develop more ways to allow both new and old members to jump into our community with as little barriers to entry as possible. Forums will likely be paired down even farther in favor of tagging posts by game and allowing people to easily sort through our site based on the games and people they want to play with.
2o2p will remain open to all clans and older games for years to come regardless of our size or the changes that time brings. Our writers, members, and mods are some of the best people I've had the pleasure of meeting and I look forward to continuing to be a place for older games in the future. As always we welcome old members, departed clans, and new people alike into our home regardless of past historoy or future. Thanks so much for being a part of 2old2play. See you all soon in Version 4.
Clan forums will be taken down from the site the week of Monday the 18th. If you would like to have your clan forum converted into a game specific forum please let us know via email, PM, or comment below!
If you've been around the site or check out your last few emails you might have heard that we are changing a lot of things on the site. If you wish to post in your clan forum for old times sake or want to copy any useful information, the time to do it is NOW.
Similarly, the main forums will be heavily pared down. Anything not video game related will be pushed into off-topic. In a future version of the site, members will be able to label threads with their own "tags" to keep track of threads on top of normal categories.
Finally, if you haven't logged into 2o2p lately now is the time to do it. In the future weeks we will be removing inactive accounts from 2o2p. Any member that hasn't logged in within 1 year will be taken off our site. We will retain some data for those users, however the majority of this data will be deleted. Please take the time to reach out to site friends or old clan mates and let them know.
Thanks again and I look forward to build a more community driven 2o2p with all of you very soon!
2old2play is changing everything. This post is something I’ve been thinking about writing for almost 2 years now. With the release of the new consoles, great new games on the horizon, and our current goals of producing new content outside of 2o2p, I think its finally time to rip off the band-aid and put it all out there. I will warn you however, this is going to be long winded and a bit opinionated. So pull up a chair next to the camp fire and settle in. Whether you’re an old member or new, this is a post for the entire 2old2play community.
To begin with, if you are still checking 2o2p on the regular you’ve probably noticed a trend in the past few years. Major clans have universally decided to leave 2o2p and start their own sites. Player contribution to the main forums has slowed to a crawl, and the general feeling on 2o2p is that of malaise. I’ll go a bit into what caused this, but for the most part I want to talk about how we plan to “fix” it. The good news is traffic overall on the site is much higher than ever before for our external content.
Before we get into all that, lets talk about Version 2-Version 3, perception, and the fracturing of our community. If we go back to the history books of 2o2p, just before the launch of V3, I was worried about failing to release a new version of the site. It took entirely too long to get the new version up with the little free time I had, and we were already seeing a trend. Clans were relatively happy at the time, with the majority of them growing or steady. However on the outside of those clans the site was near death. Public forums were ghost towns, new members were locked out of meeting people because clans were so closed, and massive clans who enjoyed our recruitment would ultimately leave. I’d review analytics and see tons of new members coming in, but none being picked up by clans, and a steady drop of old members.
I’m sure other people will have a different outlook on V2 than I did. Rose colored glasses often change our outlook on the past, but for me, V2 created a site where no one cared about 2o2p as a community outside their own groups, and instead it was looked at as a free place to host their own clans. This isn’t what 2o2p V1 was built on and I suppose that model is fine if we continued to provide a large amount of incoming people to form new clans of their own, but that isn’t something that we could really sustain without a ton of exposure outside of 2o2p. So in the end what was happening is clans ended up choking out the freelance player base on 2o2p until we didn’t have a pool of new players willing to start clans of their own anymore. On top of this larger clans with no allegiance to 2o2p outside of our forums decided to leave and start sites of their own. This was all well before V3 mind you. It’s also when I figured out that 2o2p was really no longer a community and had a limited life span.
Side bar time! There is one trend that I notice more than any other with my 10 years on 2old2play. When clans leave 2o2p they usually take every ideal that I built 2o2p on with them. Well, all but one. They keep the 25 and older rules, build their forums blogs and news, and some even keep 2old* branding that they got from us (yikes!). The one thing they don’t do however is allow other clans to form on their site. As much as clans enjoyed the 2o2p forums when they were on them, they all know after building their ranks on 2o2p that closed clans are a problem. They fractured and insulated the community and so far not ONE clan that has left 2old2play has built this idea into their own model.
So with all that in mind, I felt like I needed to get V3 out ASAP. For some dumb reason I thought it would be some sort of salvation. Maybe new shiny stuff would be enough, right? I ignored the systemic problem that had been eating away at our community and powered through. I was too afraid to make the real changes that needed to happen in fear of pissing off long time members and instead launched a buggy, slow, and unneeded change to 2o2p. This was just the catalyst needed for clans on the fringe to rally against. While most bugs were fixed relatively fast, most had made up their minds within the first few days.
On top of this, things like Facebook, Twitter, cheap hosting, and the decline of forum use in general were growing drastically. Since clans on 2old2play didn’t really use it as a place to talk about video games anyway, these other avenues made a lot more sense. Even clans that I was in moved most of their discussions to faster platforms like Gchat, slack chat, IRC, or Facebook. And truthfully why wouldn’t they? When I’m talking to friends I’d much rather do it via something instant like chat rather than a forum post. The “type” of post on 2o2p (mostly in clans) had outgrown the theme of 2old2play and ultimately the site itself. Even now, I chat with most of my 2o2p friends on iMessage, slack, or text.
Our current state
What do we do with 2old2play now after all these years? I suppose I could just shut things down, however I’ve made tons of lifelong friends here and want that same experience for new gamers in the future. Instead the plan is to go back to the 2o2p of 2005 and really open up our community. Back then we didn’t really care all that much about clans and conversation was geared toward grouping up, gaming, and talking about our experiences online. So with that he is the current plan for 2o2p V4. Please read through everything before freaking out!
- All clans forums will be removed from the site. I think this one is pretty obvious, but we don’t see a need for clan forums anymore and would like to go back to the small and simple single group site of before. We know this will probably cause a LOT of people to leave the site, but for the overall health of 2o2p it’s important. Also, we’re fairly ok with people leaving as this doesn’t affect those that are loyal to the 2o2p community, which is really the people we want to focus on serving anyway.
This obviously doesn’t mean we will just nuke your forum from space without talking about it first. In fact if you have a clan forum based on a game (for example MTGO clan) what we’d love to do is just make a MTGO forum for you and any people interested in MTGO online. Our goal isn’t to just get rid of long time members, but instead to make sure both new and old members can all discuss the same games we love. The focus should be the GAME and not the clan behind it. If this is something you want to do, I’ll be sending PMs to each clan before we move forward.
- Divisions/Groups will be made into their own game forums and division forums will be removed from the site. One of the best things to happen to 2old2play was Forza and our racing community. It was proof that an open forum can not only work within 2old2play, but also grow. The leadership and people that make up our racing folks are some of the best 2old2play has to offer.
With this in mind, game forums going forward will all follow this model. For example, Forza folks will take full ownership of all racing game forums they want. IE if you’re into Forza you will be posting and discussing in their open forums. If you do something that is against their rule set, you will be dealing with their mods. Game forums in general will all need this type of ownership (especially the larger ones) and our hope is that leaders will come forward to take ownership of a game forward and help direct that community. People often ask me what they can do to help 2o2p and honestly this is the type of help we need at the game level.
- Off site clans websites will not only be allowed, but encouraged. If you decide to leave 2old2play and do your own thing after this change we totally get it. We’re taking away your private area and while that sucks, we obviously hope you will stay with us for the banter and chance to meet even more amazing people. However if you don’t stay then we want to network with you. The plan is to have The 2old2network gaming community outside of the site itself. We will link our sites, allow you to recruit on the forums, and even post network events each week to drive members around our network. We hope that this is help with the issue of poaching members and also allow for a transparent method to recruit and promote clans.
Our goal with this network is not only for current clans either. I will be reaching out to most of the clans who not only were a part of 2o2p, but older gamer clans in general. I don’t believe for a second that 2old2play is always the right choice for older gamers 100% of the time, but if its not then we’d at least like to be able to help find those people a place to call home. So if you’re a current clan who is leaving or an old clan that left long ago, let’s work together to help build a stronger bond with all gamers over 25. Feel free to get in contact with me to learn more about our plans for 2old2network.
- Events will be a major part of 2o2p. As with the 2old2network, the core of 2o2p has always been events. This goal will become our main focus with the revamp as we build more ways for gamers to connect through our events than before. Tournaments, leagues, and meet ups will play a major role as we bring new web-based tournament software directly to the hands of our forum leaders and event planners. We’re hoping this sparks more reasons for people to want to group up and build events around our members.
- Removing clutter, and deleting old users. As part of any revamp, we’re going to have to wipe down some dusty areas. For one, we will be deleting non-active members and pruning our membership based on last log-in time. Currently the idea is that we keep any members who have logged in within the last year and remove the rest. Any logins with dead emails will also be deleted and removed from the system. We will also be getting rid of a major chunk of our forums and focusing only on game the community actively plays. This might mean that you only see a few gaming forums at first, but the goal is to only expand when needed. Any content not related to gaming can always go in off-topic! We are planning on adding a tagging system into our forums so that content inside of forums can be tagged and followed in their own threads as well to keep clutter at a minimum.
Because of this clean up, site will also become simplified. In navigation, the Content and Web shows tab will be merged and pruned, Community and Forum will become forum, and the groups tab will go away completely. There will be more of these design changes discussed as we get closer to finishing the site, but the main goal with this clean up is to focus on the community and providing people with more ways to meet up and discuss games while anywhere on the site.
Doodi you’re ruining the site again!
I’m sure this will be a large portion of the feedback I get for a lot of these changes, but keep in mind the goal is to build a 2o2p that everyone wants to be a part of and not just a hosting platform for other clans. Without question we’re doing something here that may mean a huge loss for 2o2p. I’m sorry if that’s the case, and I truly do wish everyone is willing to stay and meet new gamers. However I think we’ve made some decent compromises for clans that leave with the 2old2network and really can see a lot of great things that come out of reaching outside our walls. My only hope is that current and new members find 2old2play a great place to meet gamers and form relationships online. Transparency is the key going forward and after 10 years I hope you guys are willing to give us a shot for 10 more.
There is so much more to share in terms of functionality changes, site structure, and leadership, but I think this is more then enough text to take in for the time being. As always feel free to comment your hearts out as we move 2old2play into the future in the coming few months. Thanks so much for the memories and I hope to build some more with you soon!
Join us this Saturday July 26th @ 6:00PDT as we stream live beta gameplay with Bungie Community Manager David Dague (Deej). Get your question ready!
Unless you've been living under a rock this week, you're probably aware that the Desinty beta is in full swing. What you might not know is that 2old2play has set aside some time to play with honorary 2o2p member and community manager for Bungie, David Dague (Deej). Deej will be answering questions from the 2o2p community as well as viewers in our live stream chat. This all takes place this Saturday July 26th @ 6:00pm PDT on our live stream channel at http://www.twitch.tv/2old2play on Twitch. Be sure to head over there now and click the follow button so you are notified when our stream goes live!
If you can't make the stream we invite all of you to head over to the forums and post your questions now! We have a thread up at http://www.2old2play.com/forum/divisions/destiny/live-stream-bungie-saturday-508619. Go there now and ask away! While we wont be able to get to all your questions, we will field as many as possible as we play through some of the beta game modes.
So whether you're a fan of the Destiny series or not, we hope that a ton of you will want to come out and support our time with Bungie this Saturday. Events like these are what makes our community different and the more people we have to support them, the more interest we can garner from other industry members. Thanks guardians!
Didn't pre-order? Want to know what Destiny is all about? How about a free beta code! 2old2play will be giving out 100 beta keys this week in preperation for the Destiny beta for PS4 and Xbox One. Read on to find out how to snatch one.
2o2p will be giving out a ton of beta codes (about 100) this week to all active 2o2p members. If you're on the forums just post in this thread and you will recieve a key. You must be an active 2old2play member in order to recieve your key. We're looking for people who regularly post on the main forums of 2o2p! Please dont ask for a code if you preordered and already have one. We want to make sure all 2o2p members who are active can participate this week for PS4 and next week for Xbox.
We will also be giving out keys on the Twitch Stream here, so feel free to watch us tonight at 7pm PDT or throughout the week as we will give away more keys on Twitch. Also don't forget to follow us on YouTube and Subscribe for chances there. Lastly hit up Twitter and follow us for multiple chances on social media. Members posting in this forum will have the codes PM'd to them. You must have been an active member before July 12th 2014.
*2old2play will have its own clan formed and we hope that everyone will join in. We'd like to focus a lot more on building up our base of gamers that just want to find others to play with. Our goal with Destiny is to move 2o2p back to its roots of a single clan gaming community and hope you all join in. Thanks!
Redeem codes: http://www.bungie.net/en/User/coderedemption
Just off of the heels of E3 and the launch of the Sony PS3 exclusive, The Last of Us, this week unfortunately has no significant new game releases for the Xbox or PS3. That's good news for gamers on these consoles as it means that they can continue playing a couple of great games that released a few days ago. For PC and Wii U gamers, there are a couple of releases that may pique your interest.
Neverwinter, Cryptic Studios (PC)
According to a recent article in Eurogamer.net, Neverwinter, a free to play MMORPG from Cryptic Studios, releases out of beta on June 20th. Neverwinter is sure to attract long time Dungeons and Dragons fans as it takes players to many beloved and besieged areas from the Forgotten Realms Campaign settings. Interested gamers can register here.
New Super Luigi U (Wii U)
If you own New Super Mario Bros U for the Wii U and either finished it or want more, this New Super Luigi U DLC gets you 80 new levels of jumping and dodging frustration. New Super Luigi U DLC drops on June 20th in the Nintendo eShop. Gamers who don't own New Super Mario Bros U can purchase a standalone version of New Super Luigi U on August 25th.
It was just about one year ago that we last scoured the Interwebs for new writers for the 2old2play homepage. Wow, time flies! As with any "volunteer" position, people come and people go based upon their availability and free time.
With E3 quickly approaching and all the next-gen console news streaming in, we could really use a few more people to join our writing staff. If you love to write, then get your words chopped up and spit on by your fellow gaming peeps, then we have a job for you! Oh, did I mention that we also pay well? No? Well that's because we don't. BUT you do get access to lots of gaming news, game previews and even some review copies of games from time to time.
If any of this sounds good to you...first, go seek professional help. After that, come back and read on to see how you can share your words on the 2old2play homepage.
If you meet the basic requirements and would like to further pursue this delightful opportunity, send our Editor-in-Chief an email via tiffany(at)2old2play.com by May 13, 2013.
In the email, please include the following:
Feel free to email me if you have any questions in regards to this opportunity. We hope to see some great applications! Many thanks to all who have contributed to the 2old2play over the past year!
NOTE: You must be eligible for 2o2p membership by being 25 years of age or older.
For those of you not aware, 2old2play was prominently featured in The Wall Street Journal this morning. While the article tended to focus on our age and inability to keep up with younger gamers, our leaders Joel “Doodirock” Albert, Derek “DSmooth” Nolan, and Tiffany “ElektraFi” Fary kept the article focused on the site, rather than our age. The Wall Street Journal wisely edited LBSutke out of the article.
I don’t believe that we are too old to compete, but we are too wise to play with children. Gamers are aging, whether we like it or not, and while we are not ready for the retirement home, we realize that gaming is more fun when you play with grown ups. Thanks again to our wise elder council for presenting the site as a place for adults to play. Awesome job, gang!
It's another 2old2play Poker Night! Wednesday, January 16th will be a site wide poker tournament in the Xbox Live Arcade game Full House Poker! Beginning at 9PM EST, there will be tournament tables set up with up to ten players a table.
There will be as many games as it takes to seat everyone that wants to play.
What is Full House Poker? It's an Xbox Live Arcade game of Texas Hold 'em that uses your avatar and is somewhat regularly supported by FREE DLC. The game costs 800 MSP to download, but that is the only money you'll be putting out; chips are earned in game and they cost NOTHING! Our tournament will have a $1000 buy in and will consist of 3 table set ups, with the winning chip leader advancing in a bracket system to the next round. There will be as many rounds as it takes until there is only one winner. Since there can be a maximum of 30 players per tournament set up, I might need some volunteers to help run extra games. Don't worry though, whoever is running the game can still play.
Please post here if you plan on attending, have any questions, or would like to volunteer to run a game. If you're still unsure of the game, there is a free demo of it in the marketplace, or it can be downloaded here. The game features level advancement, avatar awards, and hours of fun with your friends (and fellow 2old2players.) The game is also cross-compatible with the Windows Phone version, so chips and experience points you earn in one version carry over into the other. I hope to see you there!