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Did you get that service contract or extended agreement for your 360?

by codemonkey| Published: Monday, January 23 @ 10:11:43 EST
Let us consult the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) about exactly what a manufacturer of a specific product can and cannot get away with. This article is targeted mainly at those Microsoft Xbox 360 owners that have broken hardware and those that are living in fear about their own consoles breaking. Many folks are racing out to purchase extended service agreements for an additional cost before they’re 90-day express warranty expires I am not a lawyer so I’m not going to try to get all technical and use big words that I do not understand. I’m a consumer that owns an Xbox 360 and I’ve noticed a few people on this site (www.2old2.play.com) have had failed hardware and are in the process of getting new consoles shipped to them from Microsoft Tech Support.

Rather then live in fear about my ‘impending doom’ of my own Xbox 360 dying I’m going to try to prepare myself for if such a time arises (lets hope it does not for anyone including myself). I do not feel I should have to go out and purchase an extended warranty for something that up and dies without any aggravated assault of my own. My console sits on my desk and does not move so if it just dies without warning I do not believe I, the consumer, should be considered at fault. Nor do I plan on footing the bill for repairs on a product that was flawed from its origin of birth.

Let me also state for the record that I do not believe extended warranties are bad in all cases or service contracts that cover more then the limited warranties cover. I do believe they are useless if they offer me nothing more then the Federal Trade Commission enforces in the United States of America. I am not out to wasting my money on services that offer me nothing.

Our test example in this article will be against the Microsoft Xbox 360 and what they have listed as the warranty information here. I shall paraphrase it for you:

  • 90-Day Express Warranty. Subject to the terms and conditions of this Limited Warranty, Microsoft warrants to you only (the original purchaser), that under normal use and service the Xbox Product will substantially conform with the accompanying printed user instruction materials for a period of 90 days starting as of the date of your sales receipt (the "Warranty Period").
  • Implied Warranty. You may also have an implied warranty and/or condition under the laws of some jurisdictions, which is hereby limited to the duration of the Warranty Period. Some jurisdictions do not allow limitations on how long an implied warranty or condition lasts, so the foregoing limitation may not apply to you.

The warranty outline ends with the text:
“As to any defects discovered after the Warranty Period, there is no warranty or condition of any kind.”



So what does that mean to the customer? Must we pony up for extended agreements after 90-days have gone by? Does a vendor shipping the Xbox 360 offer a service contract and is it a wise investment?

If you continue to read your warranty information for “fine print” you’ll see:

“You may have greater rights existing under legislation in your jurisdiction. Where any term of this Limited Warranty is prohibited by such laws, it shall be null and void, but the remainder of the Limited Warranty shall remain in full force and effect.”

What does that mean? Well, below you’ll find information about Implied Warranties and “such laws” and you will know exactly what your product warranty means (if you live in the United States anyway). This little snippet allows Microsoft to squeak by untouched in jurisdictions that do not enforce an implied full/limited warranty (in the USA, that’s Louisiana). Note that “jurisdictions” are defined as “The extent of authority or control.” Thus the US jurisdiction (by law) is anything we have authority or control over. If you live in the US I’m pretty sure you’ll fit the bill (even Hawaii and Alaska), but if you’re some province or something… talk to your attorney. I live in one of the fine US States so my research revolves around laws that govern me and my neighbors. As a side note, the Xbox 360 warranty discusses how this is enforced in Canada (read it if you live there so that you can understand your rights).

There are also exclusions that will not be covered in the Implied ‘Limited Warranty’ (which makes it a ‘limited’ rather then a ‘full’ warranty) such as acts of god (power surges, abuse, flooding, hurricanes, etc.), tampering with it, scratching serial numbers, altering it, and repairs done by non-authorized repair centers. Most of this stuff is common sense I believe (or hope).

If you played your Xbox 360 so much that you failed to use the restroom and this results in peeing all over the console then that will cost you money out of your pocket for repairs. This is not “normal behavior” and probably falls under the “misuse” or “acts of god” categories.

Let’s not focus on stupid things that occur to the Xbox 360 console. Let us pretend for a moment that you are the original purchaser of this at a retail outlet like Best Buy and you were simply using your system as it was designed. You also followed the rules for setup and installation. At the time you were in the middle of Madden ’06 your console goes dark… never to return again. Not even a reboot. You get the red lights from hell that symbolizes “hardware failure.” What should you know?

First, you should know your rights and what you are able to get away with. That is where I call on the folks of the FTC because they can talk legal speak and they can translate to common speak.

Microsoft, as stated above, offers a 90-day Express Warranty. If you’re within 90-days from original purchase then Microsoft themselves has volunteered (by written statement) that they will take responsibility for a broken Xbox 360 under normal use from the original purchaser.

This basically means that they’re taking responsibility for the screw up and you can safely call them and they’ll give you ‘no hassle’ (if you can prove you purchased it of course) about returning it. This does not mean the support crew is intelligent, understands the product, and gets you the new one on a timely manner. It just means the company assumes responsibility for the problem.

Let us now take a few moments to understand some definitions to the warranties Microsoft is speaking about. This information is taking off the FTC website (http://www.ftc.gov).

Express Warranties

“Express warranties, unlike implied warranties, are not ‘read into’ your sales contracts by state law; rather, you explicitly offer these warranties to your customers in the course of a sales transaction. They are promises and statements that you voluntarily make about your product or about your commitment to remedy the defects and malfunctions that some customers may experience.

Express warranties can take a variety of forms, ranging from advertising claims to formal certificates. An express warranty can be made either orally or in writing. While oral warranties are important, only written warranties on consumer products are covered by the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.”

(See more on the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act below)

The Federal Trade Commission translates this to mean “You cannot avoid implied warranties if you offer a written warranty on a consumer product.” Microsoft supplies a written warranty in their 90-day express warranty. This does not mean that they get out of the implied warranty because they wrote up a nice express one. Microsoft (unlike some companies) makes it clear that there is indeed an implied warranty in the jurisdictions that enforce it which makes me respect them a little more for not leaving you in the dark about the legal rules. They could say nothing about it and let you figure it out for yourself (since its ‘implied’).

Implied Warranties

“Implied warranties are unspoken, unwritten promises, created by state law, that go from you, as a seller or merchant, to your customers. Implied warranties are based upon the common law principle of ‘fair value for money spent.’ There are two types of implied warranties that occur in consumer product transactions. They are the implied warranty of merchantability and the implied warranty of fitness for a particular purpose.

Please note that Federal Trade Commission states: Section 2-314 of the Uniform Commercial Code, which is law in every state but Louisiana, covers the implied warranty of merchantability.

So if you live in Louisiana I’d checkup to see exactly what your state does about implied warranties given that they’re unique from all other states in the US. The FTC suggests you talk with an attorney in your state (in this case Louisiana) if you are unsure of your rules or rights.

The implied warranties section above is translated by the FTC as stating that “Basically, your product is "merchantable" if it does what it is supposed to do.”

Understanding the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act

“The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is the federal law that governs consumer product warranties. Passed by Congress in 1975, the Act requires manufacturers and sellers of consumer products to provide consumers with detailed information about warranty coverage. In addition, it affects both the rights of consumers and the obligations of warrantors under written warranties.”

My translation: You should have warranty information included with your Xbox 360 or other console system. Microsoft even posts this online which is nice.

The FTC underscores the following points of the fully defined Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act as follows:

  • The Act improves consumers' access to warranty information.
  • The Act enables consumers to comparison shop for warranties.
  • The Act encourages warranty competition.
  • The Act promotes timely and complete performance of warranty obligations.


Lastly if you scan the Act (cited below) you will see that it clearly states the manufacturer (in this case Microsoft) must clearly state:

  1. As a warrantor, you must designate, or title, your written warranty as either "full" or "limited."
  2. As a warrantor, you must state certain specified information about the coverage of your warranty in a single, clear, and easy-to-read document.
  3. As a warrantor or a seller, you must ensure that warranties are available where your warranted consumer products are sold so that consumers can read them before buying.


Microsoft has followed all of the above rules within their warranty by telling you its limited, it is understandable and it enumerates everything that is not covered (i.e. acts of god), and you can read about the warranty at Best Buy if you request it.

Understanding the Service Contract

“A service contract is an optional agreement for product service that customers sometimes buy. It provides additional protection beyond what the warranty offers on the product. Service contracts are similar to warranties in that both concern service for a product. However, there are differences between warranties and service contracts.”

It is important to note that Service Contract’s do not wipe your implied warranties:

“Sellers of consumer products who make service contracts on their products are prohibited under the Act from disclaiming or limiting implied warranties. (Remember also that sellers who extend written warranties on consumer products cannot disclaim implied warranties, regardless of whether they make service contracts on their products.)”

So if someone offers you a service contract for one year and covers the same information that Microsoft has listed in their Implied Limited Warranty then I’m pretty sure the service contract is a waste of your time for all except convenience (i.e. if you get one through CompUSA that might mean you can return it to the store rather then sending it off to Microsoft. You can decide if that is worth it to you or not).

The only thing I could not find in the FTC document was an exact restriction on “time” for a warranty. I did a little search on Nolo.com to see if they could give more information (it’s a free do-it-yourself legal advice page) and all I could find was:

“In most states, an implied warranty lasts forever. In a few states, however, the implied warranty lasts only as long as any express warranty that comes with a product.”

I believe the only place where implied warranties last as long as the express warranty is Louisiana because Louisiana doesn’t seem to recognize implied warranties. Since Microsoft has volunteered us 90-days of warranty that covers any legal issues for those in Louisiana. I suggest an extended warranty if you live in LA or are planning to buy one in that state (I wonder how the warranty works if you purchase an Xbox 360 online in Louisiana).

To buy or not to buy extended services

This is a personal preference. I did not purchase one because I can put my Xbox 360 on a surge protector or UPS and I do not move it. If I drop the thing or misuse it I feel it’s my responsibility to work out my personal issues.

The only advantage I’d see to a Service Agreement is that I can walk into the place I bought my merchandise and bring it to the service desk and say “me brokie, you fixie” and the problem is solved for me. For me this comes down to how mobile my expensive electronic device is and how gentle you must be with it. Agreement for my Xbox 360: no chance, iPod Nano: sure thing!

Sites of interest (and cited info):

Nolo: talks about your rights and warranties.

CNET: Should you pay for an extended warranty?

A Businessperson's Guide to Federal Warranty Law- Federal Trade Commission

Hopefully this little document will bring down some of the concern of your Xbox 360 dying seven months into its use. If anything it can give you a little piece of mind that we have laws to protect you from faulty products and shady manufacturers. Overall Microsoft seems to have their act together [pun intended] and supplies enough information (if you read it) to tell you what exactly your rights are regarding their game console.

If there is additional information lawyers would like to provide as a comment to this document then please do so. We, the consumers, could use your free advice!

CodeMonkey

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Would like to find a state law list... (Score: 1)
Posted By codemonkey on Monday, January 23 @ 10:44:21 EST
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The thing I could not find was a nice list of each state in the US and their 'time limit' for an implied warranty. Some places on the Internet say "unlimited time" others say "depends on state" and yet I cannot find anything that lists each state... probably have to inquire in each state and build a list (who wants to put THAT much effort in when they only care about the state they live in I guess...)



CodeMonkey



Let me make sure I understand this... (Score: 1)
Posted By Ebola2 on Monday, January 23 @ 14:47:05 EST
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After reading all of that, are you basically saying that as long as I A) don't live in LA and
B) treat my 360 with respect (i.e. play it as it's supposed to be played with and don't use it as a football)

Then if my 90 day's expire and I have a hardware failure (or it just breaks for whatever reason), then Microsoft is still supposed to help me?




Pretty much, yea (Score: 1)
Posted By codemonkey on Monday, January 23 @ 16:53:12 EST
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The exact 'limitations' of the warranty are listed in the booklet, or on that link. If you use it how it was intended (which I think most of us do) then yes you can utilize the implied warranties inforced by the FTC.

codeMonkey




Here is the standard duration of time (4 years) (Score: 1)
Posted By codemonkey on Monday, January 23 @ 17:58:20 EST
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"Generally, there is no specified duration for implied warranties under state laws. However, the state statutes of limitations for breach of either an express or an implied warranty are generally four years from date of purchase. This means that buyers have four years in which to discover and seek a remedy for problems that were present in the product at the time it was sold. It does not mean that the product must last for four years. It means only that the product must be of normal durability, considering its nature and price."

cite: http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/warranty.htm







Alternative to Extended Warranty (Score: 1)
Posted By bear96 on Monday, January 23 @ 21:23:26 EST
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You could always just pick one up at Costco. :)


Costco? (Score: 1)
Posted By doodirock on Monday, January 23 @ 21:44:55 EST
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Why do they have an implied warranty of there own?




100% Satisfaction Guaranteed (Score: 1)
Posted By bear96 on Monday, January 23 @ 22:30:25 EST
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Costco's guarantee policy is now legendary. You should be able to do a search and find several stories about it. They really do refund. 100%. I make all my major purchases their now, and actually just took advantage of this policy on my new digital camera received at Christmas. No questions asked, was able to refund and pick up a replacement in one visit. This is from their website:
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      On merchandise: We guarantee your satisfaction on every product we sell with a full refund.
        On membership: We will refund your membership fee in full at any time if you are dissatisfied.




Make sure you keep everything (Score: 1)
Posted By lobster70 on Tuesday, April 04 @ 18:00:01 EDT
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Costco IS great about returns/refunds.  But they're getting a bit stickier and requiring original packaging, manual, etc.  My dad had to return a digital camera.  He had the box, CD, etc. but they made him come back with two missing items: user manual and USB cable.  Fortunately he was able to find both, but it's good to keep in mind.  I have gotten into the habit of tossing the manual, since it's always available online.

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Great, now you tell me. (Score: 1)
Posted By Fetal on Tuesday, January 24 @ 04:32:02 EST
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i already bought my service agreement and wasted 40 bucks.

good read though. thanks for the info.



thanks (Score: 1)
Posted By The_Heritic on Tuesday, January 24 @ 11:42:21 EST
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Thanks for clearing up some of the confusion over this subject.  We as the community appreciate your effort in researching and compiling the info.



Peace of Mind (Score: 1)
Posted By FlobberWorm on Tuesday, January 24 @ 12:00:18 EST
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Great write up, you obviously put a lot of time researching this.  For me the peace of mind was well worth the $50 it cost me to get the 2 year extended warranty from M$.  For the cost of one game I know my 360 is protected for the next 2 years, hassle free (I hope). 

Whereas your assertion may be right, I wouldn't want to deal with the headache of making my case to M$.  I got enough freaking stress in my life.  For me, $50 is a cheap price for peace of mind.



Peace of Mind is always a good thing (Score: 1)
Posted By codemonkey on Tuesday, January 24 @ 12:04:48 EST
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If I had a service agreement with, say, BestBuy I'd probably do it.  If it was a Full Warranty of coverage, not just that limited one.

CodeMonkey




Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By Fiery on Wednesday, January 25 @ 15:30:19 EST
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Thanks for the interesting article!I would but an extended warranty with the 360 being that it is a new technology.Maybe after another year or so when i buy a 360 they will have fixed most of the bugs so i wont need an extended warranty.





I have experienced it. (Score: 1)
Posted By Castlemonster on Wednesday, January 25 @ 16:26:17 EST
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First, great article.  second, when my Samsung DLP color wheel went out, it was 8 months past warranty.  I called and asked for some help.  They sent me the $350 wheel but I had to pay an authorized technician $150 to install it.  So it definitely works, but can still cost you money.  I spent the extra money on the extension because I would rather not have to debate it with M$ and risk the loss.  Plus I had the luxury of being late, so I got scared listening to all the issues 2o2pers were having!



Wow! (Score: 1)
Posted By JonfromElmCity on Monday, January 30 @ 14:25:07 EST
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Great information!!!  I can't imagine how much research this must have taken.

Also confirms that I will not be taking the 360 plunge for some time.  I can't see spending that much money on something that seems quite likely to fail.  I imagine the attention being paid to the failures is out of proportion to the actual number of failures, but I think I will wait untile the dust settles.  If I want this kind of crap in my life I would by some kind of lawyer game for XBox.



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So how does one invoke this? (Score: 1)
Posted By TurboFool on Tuesday, December 12 @ 18:43:01 EST
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I've often used your article as an example of why not to buy a warranty on a 360. Throughout forums I see people verbally abused for not having bought one when their system dies, and I link to this article.

Well now I'm in that boat. My system died yesterday, and after a long phone call with Microsoft today, I got nothing. My system was purchased in April, so it's been eight months. Even with their having doubled the original 90-day warranty I'm still two months over it.

When I described the rights provided to me by the implied warranty the supervisor told me I knew more about the subject than he, and that he could help me no further, as he wasn't allowed to discuss legal matters.

So while this information is helpful in a generalized way, I'm left with no knowledge of how to actually use the information to get Microsoft to replace my system for free instead of charging me the $140 plus shipping they're demanding.

Any tips?



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