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Bye Bye Habeas Corpus?

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Shared on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 08:40

http://www.journalinquirer.com/articles/2011/12/12/chris_powell/doc4ee6179b321e6127406122.txt

"By a vote of 93-7 the Senate this month approved a military appropriations bill empowering the government to designate any U.S. citizen within the country as a terrorist and to have the military hold him indefinitely without trial and without the right to habeas corpus, the right to be brought before a court for a judgment on the legality of one's imprisonment.

In effect the legislation is a declaration of martial law throughout the country."

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I don't really think it is necessary for me to add anything at all to this. Other than history repeats and we have come full circle baby. Get ready for a wild ride, Mr Toad.

"May The Bridges I Burn, Light the Way."

Comments

XSSmoke's picture
Submitted by XSSmoke on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 15:45
One trend is how blatant misdirection is becoming and how important word play currently is for the purpose of sway votes rather than accurate assessments. Such as linking Romney to KKK: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/12/14/msnbc_likens_romney_to... 'There we go guys, that should sway a small percentage over, keep thinking up more spin ideas, well done!'
FlobberWorm's picture
Submitted by FlobberWorm on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:07
Sigh - my original comment alluded to the fact that the same thing was attempted (actually it was done) under Bush and the Right was pretty much silent. A frequent retort to the protests against it then from Bush supporters that I saw was "if you have nothing to hide then you shouldn't fear this". So what makes this different now? Times have changed? Have they REALLY? Or is the main difference that Obama is in the White House and not a Republican? (Either way I agree it is WRONG - fortunately as I posted earlier, this bill excludes American Citizens). As for the MSNBC/Romney comment - both sides pull this crap - heck, FoxNews has made blatant misdirection and misinformation an art form.
FlobberWorm's picture
Submitted by FlobberWorm on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:15
"The bill also says the president can waive the provision based on national security." I just ran into this. This makes it a whole different kettle of fish. Completely agree that this is 100% wrong and shouldn't be done. I suppose the Supreme Court will take it down just as they did Bush's attempt at the same thing?
Rau's picture
Submitted by Rau on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:07
Vote on this tomorrow on 12/15/11.
XSSmoke's picture
Submitted by XSSmoke on Thu, 12/15/2011 - 12:00
See Flobber, one good lawyer, and every bill can be spun as needed for National Security. Slippery slope my man, slippery slope.
XSSmoke's picture
Submitted by XSSmoke on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 14:04
I can say, 'Useful Idiots.' :D
twistedcaboose's picture
Submitted by twistedcaboose on Fri, 12/16/2011 - 22:44
Can you say V for Vendetta
ekattan's picture
Submitted by ekattan on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 08:43
You're scaring me Smoke.
Rau's picture
Submitted by Rau on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 08:44
It's not final yet. They are going to conference the bill. And according to Allen West he is removing the "suspected" verbage and if they don't, he won't vote for it. I suspect that it will still pass, but not include the large power grab on american soil.
CapnHun's picture
Submitted by CapnHun on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 09:33
OH shit!
XSSmoke's picture
Submitted by XSSmoke on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 10:32
All it takes is one good lawyer to twist the meaning and you can kiss your rights goodbye Mr Suspect. If I was a mastermind, I would push this through immediately. Think of the options for control. It's tasty.
FlobberWorm's picture
Submitted by FlobberWorm on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 11:58
The Bush Administration did this and it was overturned by the Supreme Court. http://www.salon.com/2008/06/12/boumediene/ What am I missing here?
XSSmoke's picture
Submitted by XSSmoke on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 12:07
'Tempora Mutantur'
FlobberWorm's picture
Submitted by FlobberWorm on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 13:18
This comment from the website says it all: mike wrote on Dec 13, 2011 1:46 AM: " S 1867 (Sec. 1032) "Requires U.S. Armed Forces to hold in custody pending disposition a person who was a member or part of al Qaeda or an associated force and participated in planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners. Authorizes the Secretary to waive such requirement in the national security interest. Makes such requirement inapplicable to U.S. citizens or U.S. lawful resident aliens. Outlines implementation procedures." How does this amount to a stripping of our civil liberties? It says right there that it doesn't apply to US citizens. Did anyone bother to read through it a little? I found that in like 5 minutes. "
XSSmoke's picture
Submitted by XSSmoke on Wed, 12/14/2011 - 13:31
Sigh, you fail to recognize the trends that are in the underlying message. This bill isn't the problem in itself, it's the mentality willing to accept certain circumstances in exchange for protection. It is the trend to watch for, not so much the direct message.

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