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Terms of Service Were Changed Without Notice, Microsoft Rep Says
What is wrong at Microsoft that they keep hiring people who are not only untrained, but who also will be adamant in stuff they make up rather than actually referring the issue to the proper person? And to be clear, the latest jerk was an American in America, so it was not a case of subcontracted outsourcing.
After spending another 2 hours on the phone with Xbox customer support today, my 2 week old issue is still not resolved and I wasted another afternoon talking to an insulting, condescending support agent who lied to me and then hung up on me. What's worse is that this particular agent, George, is a supervisor.
When I said that the problem wasn't with DRM transfer but rather with accessing content on another console while signed in to LIVE, he said I'd have to do the DRM transfer. When I said that I'm supposed to be able to access it as a "Roaming Xbox 360 Account," he said, "Says who?"
When I said, "Microsoft says so in section 13c of the Microsoft Terms of Use," he said that no, it doesn't. When I said yes it does, I'm looking at it right now, he said that things change, and the Terms of Use had changed to exclude this feature, and I need to learn to deal with it.
He then tried to change the subject away from my issue (and away from the facts) and onto his supposedly hurt feelings at being "disrespected" by being told he was incorrect.
He said that even though the website and every other agent says that the DRM transfer tool can only be used once every 12 months, I could use it twice. When asked for some sort of reference number or code to be able to use the service more often, or to refer me to the documentation that said this was true, he could not.
When pressed, he said that due to the NXE update, not every copy of the Terms of Service had been updated. I told him that I have the NXE update, I'm signed in to LIVE right now, and I'm reading it off the screen, and it's also up on xbox.com. When I said that it would be a violation of the law to change the Terms of Use without informing people, he then took something I said and reformed it to say that the game in question is no longer available and that he's sorry, but that's the way things are.
I told him I'm signed into Marketplace right now and I'm looking at the game and it's still available. He said he needed to put me on hold to confirm my information. "Confirm what information?" I asked him, knowing full-well that he was trying to give me the brush-off. "Confirm Microsoft's polices," he said. Then he put me on hold for a few seconds and then hung up on me.
He, like the jerk a couple of weeks ago, refused to "escalate" my issue and would not let me speak to another representative. He kept calling me things like "dude" despite my repeated requests that he not. The more baseless the claim he was making, the more informal his tone became.
All this, and I still can't play Shogi. This makes over 5 hours on the phone with no results other than frustration. I have had to repeatedly explain my issue to 7 different agents so far, and each time I am starting fresh even though the previous agents have made the keyboard sounds of entering notes.
What's the point of customer support if you already need to know more than the support agents before you call to avoid being conned by them? How many times can I be told that every other agent was wrong, but this one is right? A casual gamer, such as the kind that LIVE Arcade caters to, does not have the time or interest to deal with bullshit like this. How many service requests about bad service can you enter before giving up, especially when your more likely than not to need a new complaint about the service when you register each complaint?
Posted by Graven on Tue Dec 2, 2008 @ 2:40 pm EDT | 7 Comments
Posted by fatLUNCH on Tue Dec 2, 2008 @ 3:30 pm EDT
Posted by Graven on Tue Dec 2, 2008 @ 3:50 pm EDT
Posted by fatLUNCH on Tue Dec 2, 2008 @ 4:19 pm EDT
So lets say you buy some content on Console A as Gamertag A. Console A can use that DRM locked software as any gamertag and either be connected to live or not. The reason being the hardware ID of that console will be used as the key to unlock the DRM, the keyis local on that system.
The same content on Console B can only be DRM unlocked via an online key embedded in your profile on Live since the hardware ID of Console B is not the same as Console A, the unlock key isn't local on that console, it's on Live. So to use the content on Console B, you must be logged into that console as Gamertag A, the purchasing gamertag and be connected to Live.
I hope that helps, maybe you knew that and i wasted my time typing all that shit out.
Posted by TANK on Tue Dec 2, 2008 @ 8:12 pm EDT
I didn't know that so I appreciate you typing all that out.
Posted by VenomRudman on Tue Dec 2, 2008 @ 8:57 pm EDT
I did know that, but it wasn't a waste of time as long as it helps someone. I wish you were the one who trained the Xbox support staff. You understand the DRM much better than many of them do, and you also express it more clearly.
I've been logged into LIVE the entire time and all my other Arcade games work fine, so there shouldn't be an unlock issue. I've checked the support agents' claims that the game is no longer available and that the license is different than other games' by e-mailing the developers. Both companies confirmed that the support agents were full of it.
Posted by Graven on Tue Dec 2, 2008 @ 9:46 pm EDT
I remember reading an article towards the back of the October issue of Official Xbox Magazine (guitar hero world tour on the cover) where they talked about how to get the DRM onto a new console. The process involves logging into you account through xbox.com and simultaneously doing things through the console on xbox live.
There was a link in the article that supposedly gives full instructions with screenshots. I don't have my issue of OXM in front of my right now. Shoot me a PM and I'll send it to you when I get home from work. There might be something in there that solves your problem...but might not...I just figure anything is worth a shot.
Posted by AZCougar on Wed Dec 3, 2008 @ 10:30 am EDT
