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Xbox 360 adds 1080p Support

by doodirock| Published: Wednesday, September 20 @ 05:08:42 EDT
A press release from start of TGS states that a software update this year will enable 1080p output on your Xbox 360!

You will finally be able to experience all 60 frames per second of visuals that your 1080p HDTV can provide. Unfortunately there has been no HDMI cable yet announced so this is only over component and VGA. Even better, users can expect 1080p upscaling immediately on current games and DVDs while native 1080p on compatible HD DVD titles.

We were under the impression that HD-DVD had a 1080i limit on it's out put, but I guess we will have to wait while more information unfolds. Microsoft has yet to announce if any new game titles will be produced in 1080p natively, but we thinks that is inevitable. Too bad I just bought a new HDTV with 1080i.

The real questions is, what edge does Sony now have since MS can also produce 1080p? Kinda takes away their thunder yet again. Poor Sony.

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Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By fecknmental on Wednesday, September 20 @ 08:32:41 EDT
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Sony may still have the edge as they are using the blueray and i have seen a lot of films already done on blueray so this may be the replacement for dvd.


You have ? (Score: 1)
Posted By ViperRohb34 on Wednesday, September 20 @ 13:45:34 EDT
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Well if you have indeed seen Bluray movies on a high def set..then you can't be that impressed.

I've seen two movies on BD & they were blocky for 'High Def'
Sony made a public statment that MPEG2 was better then the VC codec used on HD-DVD.. Nine out of 10 reviews of Bluray versus HD-DVD pretty much say the same thing..

Only NOW ( after bad reviews ) are they (Bluray) using VC in only a few of the most recent movies because HD-DVD is kicking some serious Bluray Ass in movie quality.




Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By fecknmental on Thursday, September 21 @ 04:43:05 EDT
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I havent actually watched any movies on blues however i have seen loads for sale and on play.com and they are the same price as hd movies.
Remember the 1st DVD`s they were appauling and as for the blueray players i saw review that there some new ones coming as there are only about two or so out now and the quality is rubbish on them.
I do think the bluray is something that is going to come forward i mean Sony have a lot more items that they can bring out to encourage it unlike ms.




Wrong (Score: 1)
Posted By ViperRohb34 on Thursday, September 21 @ 19:21:25 EDT
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Sony came come out with may items that Microsoft can ?

First off this statement says you dont know who owns what..
Sony while they are confounding developers of Bluray dont exclisively own Bluray.

Microsoft neither cofounded or codeveloped HD-DVD.. They merely support it.

Microsoft at ANYTIME can pay a lisc feel and make a Bluray Player for Xbox 360 just like anyone who wants to make a Bluray player..

Sony does not have this luxury.. If PS3 doesnt do as well as PS2 as if likely wont because it cost way too much to be sold in masses.. you're stuck with Bluray..

HD-DVD movies never looked bad from the beginning. I like HD-DVD because they have executed well from the start and its cheaper..

Cell POOR processor yields for PS3 say they wont be dropping prices anytime soon..





1080p via component? (Score: 1)
Posted By bigRoN on Wednesday, September 20 @ 09:09:04 EDT
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I was under the impression that component can't do 1080p... only 1080i. At least on my new JVC (HD-56FH97), it takes 1080P via the HDMI inputs, but only takes 1080i via component. I'm a bit leary on these details... I think I'll just wait and go with the PS3. About the HD-DVD, it has the capability of 1080P, it is just that Toshiba didn't feel the need to make it 1080P, since none of their TVs at the time they released their player could accept a 1080P signal. There are supposed to be better HD-DVD players coming out. There are also supposed to be better Blu-Ray players than Samsung's... it is just that those two were the first out the door for their format. As mentioned earlier, I'm waiting for the PS3, as it will allow for interactive features via the internet... something I haven't heard other devices (stand-alone players) being capable of.


Component/HDMI /Xbox 360 (Score: 1)
Posted By ViperRohb34 on Wednesday, September 20 @ 13:38:31 EDT
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Component has more then enough bandwidth for 1080p..
HDMI actually has less wire..

So, its not about bandwidth.

From what know HDMI has more with signals sent for copy protection itself and stopping pirates.

So in a sense.. MS is opening the door for piracy is movies unles they can figure out a solution..




Band width is more than wire... (Score: 1)
Posted By SeanoVox on Wednesday, September 20 @ 22:08:50 EDT
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format of signal over wire is part of it also... analog signal (Component) takes much more bandwidth than digital (DVI or HDMI) and with out HDCP (part of HDMI) I doubt an HD-DVD would play on any TV @ 1080p ( I doubt that you would get more than 480p) in an attempt to stop the pirates... the HDMI to DVI cables i have seen wont work with the cable boxes we use @ my work (HDMI out to DVI input on set) you get the nicest error message about not detecting HDCP so you can't tape (or burn) a perfect digital copy. It seems that they don't care if you can get a component source of 1080i or 720p




huh? (Score: 1)
Posted By KingDrewsky on Wednesday, September 20 @ 13:38:31 EDT
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I feel like I am pretty up to date on all the features of the new consoles, but I have no clue what you are talking about when you say the PS3 is the only console that has interactive features via the internet. The Wii will have a news and weather channel that you can access from the main menu. The 360 has demos, videos, and trailers that you can download as well as the whole gamertag feature in which you can view and compare achievements between you and your buddies. Halo2 on the original Xbox issued an XML feed of your stats that you could compile and do all kinds of interactive things with. What are these "interactive features" that only the PS3 will have. The only internet features that I have heard of about the PS3 involve dowloading music and movies which the 360 is already capable of.




Plus.. (Score: 1)
Posted By ViperRohb34 on Wednesday, September 20 @ 13:47:55 EDT
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The Xbox 360 doesnt need a huge hardrive as a PS3 will for media..

Why ?

Windows Vista ( I have Beta2 running now ) has built in windows media so you can network your 360 to your pc..You can stream movies, movies, pics.. off your pc and store stuff there..

I watched some porn off my pc on my bigscreen thru my Xbox..

Hehe




This news is BS. (Score: 1)
Posted By Mr_Bigins on Wednesday, September 20 @ 13:54:34 EDT
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You can't do 1080p via component, you must have a true, all digital connection with either DVi or an HDMi connection. If MS is thinking they're going to achieve 1080p with a 360 software upgrade, they're full of themselves. I own a 360 and love it. It's connected to my 50" Samsung DLP HDTV.

I take this news with a grain of salt.




Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By PDT816 on Wednesday, September 20 @ 14:48:56 EDT
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That you need HDMI/DVI to do 1080p is a myth.

You can do 1080p on component all day long and twice on Sunday. Manufacturers are crippling it because it doesn't support digital copy protection.





You are incorrect, sir... (Score: 1)
Posted By mkaltner on Wednesday, September 20 @ 16:24:49 EDT
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Straight from the spec sheet for my tv (also a Samsung DLP [HL-S6187W])

"2-component video inputs (480i/480p/720p/1080i/1080p)"

See for yourself: http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/DLPTV/files/hls6187_final.pdf

- Mike





Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By dinofx on Wednesday, September 20 @ 10:07:45 EDT
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Finally, owners of 1080p HDTV can let their XBox 360 resample the game from 720 to 1080, instead of letting their TV do the exact same thing. I know my TV was getting tired making the conversion for me.

This is just smoke and mirrors. The games are still just 720p. Wake up sheeple!

I can't wait until the 360 supports Apple's 30-inch LCD. I bet 720p resampled to 1600p must look amazing.


Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By Azrael5577 on Wednesday, September 20 @ 11:21:11 EDT
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The TV encoder on ATI's Xenos GPU is identical to what is on the ATI Radeon X1000 series of PC graphics cards - meaning the Xbox 360's TV encoder is located on the Xenos GPU itself and makes use of ATI's Xilleon display engine.

The TV-Out display engine has been lifted directly from ATI's consumer electronics Xilleon processor (this engine can be found to be driving the displays of many Sony televisions, for example) and features two integrated dual link transmitters, hence two digital panels can be independently driven to 2048×1536 @ 75 Hz or 2560x1600 resolutions.




And your point is (Score: 1)
Posted By dinofx on Wednesday, September 20 @ 18:12:12 EDT
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What is your point about the similarities between components in the 360, and graphics cards for a PC? 360 games render to a frame buffer that is 1280x720. The details on how that frame gets shuttled over to your television are unimportant. The ideal way would be digitally, 720p. The fact that Microsoft has chosen analog, but not before softening the image by resampling it to 1920x1080, just shows that the average 360 consumer doesn't know what HD means.

The only way upconverting to 1080p would help, would be if detail from previous frames were used to enhance the current frame being "stretched". That type of processing can not be done in real-time.





Native or Upscaled? (Score: 1)
Posted By TANK on Wednesday, September 20 @ 12:01:05 EDT
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This is a great announcement if it's native. But if it's upscaled 540p, this isn't nearly as exciting. I found a technical article on the ATI GPU and it SOUNDS like it's native but it doesn't say either way. Just the tech specs sound like it could be native.



Xbox 360 True 1080P, but not Native! (Score: 1)
Posted By monark on Monday, October 02 @ 18:08:01 EDT
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The HD-DVD player will in effect, be a HDMI add-on for X360! In the player will be the HDCP chip and it will have upscaling ability of the signal coming over USB2 from the 360. So there will be problems for games, but movies will play off the add-on player fine.

Problems with this? Of course Microsoft is selling snake oil! Many problems because USB2 is fine for downloading but fails to provide the speed needed for native 1080P (only firewire is capable of that on upload to player). The X360 will only be supplying it's 720P signal or lower and then using the HD-DVD player to upconvert games to 1080P. That's why they say you can play any of their games at true 1080P, even the games written in 720P! Also most all new HD-TVs with 1080P will already be able to do this! Again Microselfish Snake Oil!

But folks if you've seen 1080P up converted and native 1080P the difference is rotten eggs to Apples. It's the same with all software rendered up conversion! It's FAKE and it looks it!

Take a digital camera with Digital and Optical Zoom and compare the results! Take a scanner page scan software enhanced to higher resolution! The Quality is missing because it can't truly make something out of nothing by adding code that isn't there!

So the Push becomes a shove when comparing PS3 to Xbox360 and an add-on HD-DVD player! Same total price, but with the PS3 you get 60gig instead of 20gig, Blue Tooth, Wireless Ethernet, Native 1080 (not just true), all in one unit, Linux OS, Firefox Browser Internet, Free Live Gaming network, full keyboard and mouse game compatibility and all in a Slick New package w/o the Brick, Heat and other annoying heXbox 360 scrap from Microslop!



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