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Problems and Cheaters Curb Stomp Emergence Day

by tank| Published: Monday, November 13 @ 21:31:28 EST
The Emergence Day tournament, in my opinion, was a pretty big FLOP.

I had visions of playing for 12 hours, so I obviously wasn't going to win but I expected to get in some good game play. I was more looking for the 100 kills per weapon achievements and the ones for wins on each map and each game type.

My day quickly turned to boredom and frustration. First, I tried to join a few matches. After 45 minutes of waiting to connect to ranked games, I just gave up. I didn't get to connect to one successful game either doing quick match or custom search. All I received was the dreaded "lost connection" pop up each time I tried. So I switched gears and decided I would host the match instead, at least this way I get a little bit of control.

Well that was just as much of a waste of time as connecting to games. I setup the first match, Warzone on Gridlock and waited... and waited... and waited... a good 20 minutes later I had six people connected in the lobby and soon after two more people joined in! So finally I got one match in, which lasted all of five minutes, since my team rolled over the other team twice in a row. For 20 minutes worth of waiting, I got in five minutes of actual gameplay. I gave it another shot and setup an Execution game on one of the other maps. I had various people one at a time come in and then leave due to the wait. One guy stuck it out for 10 minutes before deciding to move on. I finally terminated the game at 30 minutes of waiting. This is on Emergence Day, the day I would have thought most people would be playing ranked matches.

I eventually found a friend to play some Co-Op with and did that for the rest of the afternoon. Later on that day I jumped into some player matches. Both options offer much more play time per hour than the ranked system.

Where is everyone and why aren't they playing ranked matches? Well, the number one reason is, most likely, the fact that there's no ranked game support with friends. Microsoft told Epic not to put that in the game because it encourages cheating. Cheaters, being the creative folks they are, have figured a way around that barrier.

You setup a ranked game with a more rare setting for number of matches and IM the game/rounds settings to your buddies. They can then do a custom ranked game search and, most likely, find yours and connect to you from the list. Then, they proceed to own the group of four that connects afterwards since any organized group of people are going to roll over a group of rag tags any day.

This exploit encourages even more cheating of a devious variation. The team of friends can have one guy be a "spy," of sorts, and connect on the victims team. He can pickup weapons to try and prevent real players ("the victims") on his team from getting them. He also help his team by not playing seriously or with any skill level - so it's really five on three.

Unfortunately, if you are able to quick match into a game, you have no idea if this activity is going on or not... until you've become a victim of it yourself. Don't try and quit the match up if you become annoyed by this activity. More than likely they'll be quick to give you negative feedback!

So if ranked play is so painstaking, how do people have so many points on the leaderboards? They're "boosting," which is a moral form of cheating. You get points for downing an enemy. The team of friends on the one side have a friend on the other side. The team of four wipes out the three quick connect players leaving just their buddy on the other team alive. Then the team of four take turns shooting their buddy on the other team to the ground and then letting him get up, then shoot him again.

In an Execution style match, you get up after the bleed out timer runs out rather than dieing like other match types. The bleed out timer can be changed to the shortest amount of time: five seconds. So your buddies will beat on you until the timer runs out or one of the four finally curb stomps their buddy on the other team. The result is a very elevated 'boosted' points total by the time the game ends.

A lot this game is focused around ranked matches, especially if you're trying to unlock achievements. I totally understand the TruSkill requirement by Microsoft which does not let you game with your friends. This does help prevent boosting for leaderboards. However, there needs to be a second requirement for TruSkill ranked games: dedicated match hosting. Players shouldn't be able to host their own ranked matches if they're worried about cheating the leaderboards because as we see, with Gears of War, they may as well let you game with your pals.

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Preforms are cheaters? (Score: 1)
Posted By donatien on Monday, November 13 @ 21:41:47 EST
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I agree with some of the above. Boosting and having a "spy" on the other team is definitely uncool. However, I don't understand complaining about a group that is preformed. I guess it sucks to be owned by a better organized group but those are the breaks. It's like saying you can't play with your friends in paintball because you know each other and you might work well together. I get rolled over by preforms in WoW BG's all the time and I accept it as part of the game. I think it's sad that you can't easily get together with your friends to climb the boards. By the way, this is coming from a guy who sucks at this game online and still enjoys it.


Well, in a way (Score: 1)
Posted By codemonkey on Monday, November 13 @ 21:47:03 EST
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It's not that "the better team" is winning, its that you don't have the same opportunity.

In order to have a fair match, both sides should be able to have the same fair chances at all things, no?

Imagine, if you were NOT allowed to know anyone on your paintball team, and met them as you were going in to battle. But, one of the other teams, that continues to win, are all friends which is clearly written as "against the rules."

So, is it "wrong" that you are not as good as the other team? Only if you didn't have the same chances of success as the other team.

CodeMonkey




Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By donatien on Monday, November 13 @ 21:52:26 EST
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Well, I can see your point. I just wouldn't rank it up there with the people who boost or use spies. However, I can understand the argument against the preform thing in this case.




I have to agree... (Score: 1)
Posted By rabbmasterflash on Tuesday, November 14 @ 08:07:33 EST
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although I see Code's point also, that hooking up with your pals on the SAME team is not so bad, and a good workaround to no lobby system with pals. It was not cheating in Halo 2 or BF2, why here?




I agree with Code (Score: 1)
Posted By Stridog on Tuesday, November 14 @ 12:32:21 EST
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Because atleast in Halo 2, if you are a team of 4 in a 4v4 playlist, you know the other team is going to be a team of 4 as well. Thats' the way the matchmaking system works. I guess in Gears you could private chat 3 of your buddies and get them to enter the same room as you if you feel you are going up against a team, but chances are it won't happen for them to get in in time or anyway to prove those 4 other people know each other.




good point (Score: 1)
Posted By rabbmasterflash on Tuesday, November 14 @ 13:49:58 EST
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and I can see that side of it too

It is just a shame they could not have made this better for organized team play, and a little surprising.





Once I started reading all of these reports... (Score: 1)
Posted By Gatsu on Monday, November 13 @ 21:55:25 EST
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I decided against really taking part in the day of days.

Its sad that a game that was hyped so much will get stomped by such a SIMPLE thing.

Makes me sad. Thats what they get for listening to Microsoft! lol.



The Voices of The Internet (Score: 1)
Posted By codemonkey on Monday, November 13 @ 22:03:17 EST
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Never fear, when people get pissed, especially dorky tech people like us - we tend to bitch and complain. And with that, comes change.

Call of Duty 2 was a good example of this, the entire multi-player aspect was built up to be much cooler than the original launch. Sure, much of this was because they launched it to make the window of release and probably "left stuff out" - but overall, enough forums lit up with complaints.

Perhaps, GoW will have an inbound patch to make it all better.

CodeMonkey




Hopefully... (Score: 1)
Posted By Gatsu on Monday, November 13 @ 22:16:24 EST
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But it wont fix the Emergence Day disaster. I wonder how long it will take for them to wade through all the cheaters to find the real winner of the day overall...


or if they are even gonna bother to do it and some doucher wins the guitar who doesnt even know what real metal is all about!.

Little cheating douches...





Sad, just sad. (Score: 1)
Posted By ShadeHunter on Monday, November 13 @ 22:34:56 EST
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I mentioned this in another thread, but it bears repeating. Leaderboards don't work.

Even if you get past the Timmies and the cheaters, the people at the top of the boards are just the ones who have the most time on the game. If you didn't get GoW on launch day and you aren't willing to spend 40 hours a week online, you won't ever be at the top of the board.

I wish they'd get over the whole ranked/unranked thing and just let us play the game.


I wish.... (Score: 1)
Posted By KingBayman on Tuesday, November 14 @ 08:29:29 EST
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I could give out karma in the comments here. All I have to say is Amen brother. Fuck Leaderboards and ranked gameplay. I don't remember have those when me and my friends got together to play Halo: CE, and we always had fun.





Same ole, same ole... (Score: 1)
Posted By pyr0lyZer on Monday, November 13 @ 22:35:14 EST
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This is the kind of CRAP that makes people like me & other members of the 2old2play community, who are casual gamers (that is, not playing 8-hour per day marathons), hate online multi-player. I would like to get some of the achievements, and I did get lucky. I ended up in 2 ranked matches all day because of similar problems, and I was fortunate enough to end up on a team of "talkers" and lucky enough to be better than everyone else...that one time. So I got one multi-player achievement, but with the risk of boosting and "spies" it really makes the multi-player experience a little lame. We REALLY need the ability to bring our friends in ranked matches, not for boosting and cheating, but so that we can opt to play with gamers who do it the right way!


why I am not buying this game (Score: 1)
Posted By Lasargo on Tuesday, November 14 @ 13:01:18 EST
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I was going to buy this game. I really was. Then I realized something. I will get owned playing online. Even if you take away the people who do group together. I have recently gone from hardcore gamer to casual. Having a baby will do that. I currently go onlinethe rare times when baby is asleep, wife is asleep, and I have the energy to stay up. This is not very often. As such I will not be as good as everyone else who play more often than me. This is where I will miss H2 ranking system. I am new to this game and only want to play other new people. I don't want to spend $60 to get my ass kicked repeatedly. I want the chance to play with other people at my skill level until I get better. I also want to play with my friends. And at 6-8 hours for the single player, this game just became a renter.





MP sucks big time for this game. (Score: 1)
Posted By Nomad on Monday, November 13 @ 23:17:48 EST
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They should have set it up exactly like Halo 2 or very similar. I don't give a crap about cheaters or whatever I just want options. Cheaters I knew would f this game up somehow and oops, they already did. Not to change the subject but have you guys read the customizing possibilities for H3? OMG, it will dwarf all other games even H2. H2 should be the standard that EVERY game has to follow. GoW mp for the most part sucks imo. One example is if the host quits BAM, game over and all of you have to join each other again. I dunno, just stupid design. No game looks better but thats it...GoW mp I give a 5/10 for sp I give 8/10. Guess i'll suck it up till I buy COD3.



Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By MonkeyJim on Tuesday, November 14 @ 00:40:55 EST
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Sounds like I too will just avoid the ranked matches when I finally get my copy. Really I expected they would have had a Halo 2 MM system, or something similar. Really what is the point of playing a multiplayer game that removes team play. I care more about playing with freinds than I do about leader boards.



I said it and I'm Saying it AGAIN. (Score: 1)
Posted By Angelito on Tuesday, November 14 @ 08:05:51 EST
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The new MS rules are just a full plate for the cheaters.
Honest players will never make it to the top.
And worst, online achivemenst, bridgers galore.
TruSkill is nothing but a mith, does not exist.
You can't play ranked matches with your friends because you don't have an option on your menu, but you can always bridge yourself together. So all boosters do, is that, then become easy kills for their friends.
But that way very few honest players get abused, so very few complains about cheating, even when the amount of cheaters is growing.
It is all about treating honest players like mushrooms, just keep them in the dark and feed them shit.



What happened to gaming for fun? (Score: 1)
Posted By BrokenDesign on Tuesday, November 14 @ 08:35:28 EST
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Seriously, why is it that people find winning to be so friggin' important that they have to cheat in any way they can to win, regardless of whether or not it makes gaming really annoying for others? I'm not a particularly great game player, I have no delusions otherwise, so I just play because I enjoy it. Play for fun and if I do well, great, if not I'll likely just move on after awhile of getting pounded. But people who will do whatever it takes to win.... lamesauce. Grow up, get a life, it's a damn *video game* and does not make you a better person in life. If anything, I think that the MLG is going to be detrimental to gaming because it's going to encourage this kind of thing as gamers will try to do what's necessary (or even what's unnecessary) to be #1 so they can make boatloads of cash. Or at least enough that they don't have to do anything with their lives other than play games. No offense intended to our own MLG players, just these lamebags. I don't have a problem with MLG at all, just the fundamental problems it could create, a la Halo 2 where you're trying to hop online in a team training match for some fun with a friend and you get into a server with several level 26+ players on one side and you and some other people who are level 2 on a team. It's a slaughter and it's not at all fun, but I'm told it's "training" for them. To me, that's ridiculous. How can you really train for any sort of pro level gaming on a team that can't hold its own against you or pose any sort of challenge? I don't know, I guess people don't want to play if they can't completely annihilate the other team. Hobags. Grrr.....



It's simple (Score: 1)
Posted By CofC on Tuesday, November 14 @ 09:04:50 EST
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Hunt down cheaters and kill them.


um (Score: 1)
Posted By Nomad on Tuesday, November 14 @ 10:53:19 EST
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Thats a bit harsh plus you may get jail time and not play any of your games. How about an ass whupping?




Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By CofC on Tuesday, November 14 @ 12:22:55 EST
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What? They don't have video games in jail?




I've seen... (Score: 1)
Posted By KingBayman on Tuesday, November 14 @ 12:26:59 EST
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the remake of the longest yard. And they were playing H2 in there. SO....go ahead and kill 'em all.




Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By Nomad on Wednesday, November 15 @ 07:39:15 EST
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They shouldn't have shit to do in jail, you ARE supposed to be being punished right? Give them a paper to read maybe. lol





Why Ask Why? (Score: 1)
Posted By doscon on Tuesday, November 14 @ 13:44:48 EST
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Nice post Tank. I can only agree that not being able to invite friends to a ranked match bites and bites hard. Who doesn't want to play for fun and enjoy a good game while collecting a few ranked achievements? This definitely needs to be corrected...cheaters be damned.

Not to tangent to far, and good points have already been made, but cheaters have and will exist from now on...just like erectile dysfunction. Who knows what goes on in the mind of a cheater. I've cheated in games past...we all have. There's no satisfaction in it. How many Quake3 or Unreal tourneys have you old-timers participated in where opponents seem to have more health than available or always seem to grab quad damage at the most advantageous of moments. These guys are out there and we have to live with them.

But hey, I have little knowledge of the Microsoft Matrix and how XBL shakes out from a server standpoint etc. I'm a MAC guy and the 360 is the first Microsoft "product" I've purchased and I'm very happy with it. I do agree that leaderboards server little to no purpose...etc.

On a positive note for GEARS, some friends and I, all from this site, enjoyed some great MP rounds last night...the best yet. Some of these guys have signed up for the new GEARS clan here, ARTofWAR. If cheaters can setup an obscure round config and invite friends I don't know why we cannot do the same for the "right" reason and grab a few achievements while having a great time? Somebody scold me...then tell me how many rounds we're shooting for.



Can it do my taxes too? (Score: 1)
Posted By Spinal_Pap on Tuesday, November 14 @ 13:44:54 EST
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IMO they should just completely forget about leaderboards. They only encourage cheaters. Maybe one possible solution for reducing cheaters is to make the option for MP gametypes of human vs bots a la Unreal Tourney. Of course, we would still want kick ass single player missions (with coop play). I guess what I'm saying is we want it all. Yeah, that sounds good.



BOOOOOO to CHEATERS!!! (Score: 1)
Posted By OldSkewl on Tuesday, November 14 @ 14:22:33 EST
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Well there you go, Cheaters win AGAIN!!! I hate how the companies try to protect us from cheaters and we get screwed the most. A good game could have been great with better MP options like clans and group games, but Microsoft said NO because of cheaters, and the cheaters still CHEATED the system. BOOOO!!!
I think the gaming community does a pretty good job of blowing the horn on cheaters when that option is available (feedback). So let us decide if we want to play and WHO we want to play with, not some bug company who thinks they know what i want.



Conker had the same thing nothing new... (Score: 1)
Posted By thebrigade on Tuesday, November 14 @ 14:46:21 EST
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Timmies would create a ranked match and set up a remote turret by an opposing friend's spawn and jump on it and fire continously into the spawn point. The opposing friend would then just run out and allow the quickest kill. This was very common to jump into a room and find squeeky voices gaining snipe, sneeker, and other ranked skill achievements.
My question is this... why do developers ignore other online games and the problems they have and then make a game thinking they solved the problem when they are fooling themselves. Developers need to take off the blinders and do thier homework.
And if it is M$ making the rules; leave it alone and let the community have a larger voice in what the live experience should be like. At least in H2 I can easily quit a cheaters match and rematch up with my friends and start acustom game in a jiffy. Currently in other MP games rematching with friends is either impossible or a pain in the ass.
Lets face it. The matchmaking of H2 formed this site. It was that good that it spawned hundreds of independent fan sites. Can anyone that is involved with our games get a clue? And if they don't think it is cost effective to maintain MP so closely as bungie, just wait until H3 comes out and see the dollars rolling out breaking new records.





Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By PhantomVI on Tuesday, November 14 @ 15:14:12 EST
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I've been playing ranked matches to get the achievements and I found a way to avoid a lot of this: wait. If you join a lobby with 4 or more players in it but only two have chosen sides, leave. Also, these guys aren't keeping the fact that they know each other a secret, so listen for any chatter going on. Unfortunately, if it's just a guy who created the game so he could have a stacked team (4x3), there's no way to know until he's readied the game and it's too late.



Nice Write Up Tank (Score: 1)
Posted By Stryker927 on Tuesday, November 14 @ 18:07:03 EST
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Couple of thoughts.

MP sucks for all the reasons already stated.

SP is hands down one of the best ever and the Co-Op is great!

Too bad they didn't really understand that what they were delivering is inadequate. I just don't understand how companies can't see the impact of Halo 2 and why it was so successful. Heck, just go ask a few gamers. There are only millions of them STILL playing Halo 2!



Its A shame. (Score: 1)
Posted By vsquared4ever on Tuesday, November 14 @ 16:01:46 EST
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Cause i truly feel the VS aspect of this is as exciting as any I have ever played. Brings me back to my counterstrike days.



gow (Score: 1)
Posted By Caesar on Wednesday, November 15 @ 01:53:08 EST
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i felt this would be an issue, i mean y have a fr list if u cant bring them into mm, i mean how can u expect to have good teamwork with randoms. this is one of the reasons im addicted to halo.
basically cause i can take my friends anywhere.
i think this not letting your friends into mm only encouraged kids to find a way to glitch the system out.
good write up!



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