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Microsoft takes a stand against Achievement Cheating

by TANK| Published: Friday, November 03 @ 15:04:39 EST
The underground world of Achievement Cheating via trading gamesaves has been delt a big blow post-fall Dashboard Update. In the past year, a few websites have spawned on the internet as a place to upload your save game to just before unlocking an achievement. With some save games all you have to do is load it up and play 1 game and you unlock 1000 points worth of achievements !

People at the top of the Achievement Point leader boards have admitted to using gamesaves to keep pace. The former World #1 Ranked player ST The King retired because of all the cheating that has started happening. Now there's even a service where they will recover your gamertag on their system and play as you to get you achievement points, all you have to do is pay them some cash. I assume they are/were using save games as well.

So how does all this Game Save trading work? Well save games fall into 3 different categories (pre-fall Dashboard update). Some saved games are Unlocked which are generally games prior to April 06. This means you can freely trade these with anyone. The recipient just loads the game which typically is saved just before an achievement , does the action and up pops the Achievement toast. Some gamesaves are console locked which are typically games after April 06. These gamesaves have an ID tag embedded in them that is specific to the console it's made on. In order to use that game save, a 'Bypass' method was discovered that will trick the gamesave into playing on a different console. The last method of locking game saves is profile locked. The only way to use gamesaves that are profile locked is to also trade gamer tags with people in the gamesave community. When you recover the account and load up the game, the toast pops up. I would have thought that would award the achievements to the account recovery player who already has them and not the cheater but I guess this works somehow.

Microsoft is well aware that such cheating devalues the Achievement system. It has become such a problem that they are now actively trying to stop this from happening. The fall Dashboard introduces a hybrid locking system which renders most of these cheating tactics useless. Only some of the 'unlocked' style game saves currently work and to guarantee they work, they need to be re-done on an updated Xbox360 and then re-uploaded to a game sharing site. These game sharing sites are actively testing old game saves and there are a handful of games saves that are still giving up the goods free of charge.

I personally think Microsoft should encrypt the game using a 2 key system that uses the profile ID and the hardware ID as the keys. That would pretty much guarantee a game save couldn't be shared with anyone.

Word at MyGamercard.net is that they will also be setting up an algorithm that will flag gamertags they track as possible cheaters based on how many points they unlock in a day. If someone unlocks all 1000 points in Oblivion in 1 day, they're quite obviously cheating. I don't care how much time you have, there's absolutely no way anyone could get through all 1000 points of Oblivion in a single 24h period. So MyGamercard.net is aware of the problem and is working to flag cheaters or profiles of interest. I would expect other sites to follow suite.

The one method of 'cheating' that seemingly can't be stopped though is sharing your gamer tag with someone and having them play the game for you because you don't have time or it's not your type of game. There's also the method of hooking up with friends on Live strictly to unlock achievements. You can trade wins or whatever is needed to unlock achievements fast which is why online achievements are really pointless.

In the end though, not all Achievement cheating can be stopped. Much like game leaderboards, the Achievement leaderboard's top level is plagued with cheaters. But who really are they cheating? Achievement points aren't worth anything so why do people cheat to obtain them? I guess that's a question to dig into an future news article.


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GOOD (Score: 1)
Posted By Falelorn on Friday, November 03 @ 15:11:02 EST
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I hope MS can stop it..



Thank god! (Score: 1)
Posted By Kaens on Friday, November 03 @ 15:54:58 EST
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These game savers have been the bane of my existance for awhile now and nearly caused me to stop playing period. But after going back to EQ & EQ2 for awhile I couldn't resist and got sucked back in. MGC's custom leaderboards came at the perfect time for me and I tried to create my own version of a gamersaverless board. It sucks they can't do anything about the games that are already out there or do something about the tags that have clearly cheated.

Btw Tank, I think you'd be surprised at what can be done in one day in Oblivion if you know what you're doing. ;) Personally I love the game so I spent 190 hours in the first three weeks it was out but I know I could get all the achievements in 2 days max if I tried.



Why? (Score: 1)
Posted By Aldogg on Friday, November 03 @ 16:09:41 EST
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Why do people need to cheat to get a stupid number next to thier name. There are some people who legit have high gamer scores (my manager at the store has I think at least 15,000) but to me, much like rank in Halo, a number next to your name means nothing. I won't accept or deny a friend request based on a number, but based on the games you play.



What a waste of time. (Score: 1)
Posted By Nomad on Friday, November 03 @ 16:15:52 EST
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What a big fat waste of time and money. I would never EVER buy anything so I could have a number next to my name online LOL. If I cared my points would be past 710. I like those save devices though but for the reason they were actually created. Just seems stupid as shit to me. Now in Halo, if we were doing serious competitions I'd want good players on my team but any other time I don't care at all. Can you save videos from your 360 to your PC using that save device? Now that would be cool.



Sad (Score: 1)
Posted By BrokenDesign on Friday, November 03 @ 16:31:21 EST
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Wow, some people are really pathetic. Seriously, these are achievement points. They're not of any value whatsoever. They don't even necessarily say how good of a gamer you are since some of the points are bogus anyway. I like using it to try to compete on a lighthearted level with people on my friends list, but that's all. I don't want to get any points I didn't rightfully earn. Stupid l4m0rz.

"up pops the Achievement toast" ROFLCOPTORZ priceless. Well spoken.



i don't get it (Score: 1)
Posted By BELDAR on Friday, November 03 @ 16:38:02 EST
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I don't get the talk of people "retiring" or quitting because people are cheating on their gamerscore. I just play games that are fun to play regardless of whether or not I get achievement points. The whole thing seems ridiculous, its not even about the games anymore, the game seems to be about achievement points instead. Someone might as well just create a game based on playing a bunch of mini games for which you get achievement points. If what is going on is any base it would be a huge hit.



Who really cares? (Score: 1)
Posted By fecknmental on Friday, November 03 @ 17:07:58 EST
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I dont care who has the most achievement points i woud prefer them to spend the money on something i woud enjoy and actually be able to use?


ditto (Score: 1)
Posted By T3muJin on Friday, November 03 @ 17:23:33 EST
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who cares about achievement points. spend your time on something that makes the 360 better...




Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By Caesar on Friday, November 03 @ 17:46:41 EST
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doesn't surprise me, damn cheaters are everywhere





Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By punkerjim on Friday, November 03 @ 20:04:23 EST
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so that's how those people have 10,000+ points... here i was earning my measly 1900 points by myself. i assumed these people just had nothing better to do while i was working a full-time job and doing things with my wife and daughter.


Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By fecknmental on Friday, November 03 @ 20:54:04 EST
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Hahahaha i have 7000pts and could have had a lot more but i just get fed up with the games not long after i start playing them lol.




I should have 10k pts (Score: 1)
Posted By Falelorn on Friday, November 03 @ 21:42:57 EST
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by next weekend, depends how much oblivion I play this weekend tho.




Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By fecknmental on Saturday, November 04 @ 13:01:26 EST
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You are a cheat as well :lol:





Timmies (Score: 1)
Posted By LandserBait on Friday, November 03 @ 20:19:31 EST
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I think most of these are teenagers trying to out do their friends. It kills them that there friends might have a bigger score than they might have.



I am going to be one of the people (Score: 1)
Posted By SirPoonga on Saturday, November 04 @ 00:31:12 EST
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that the algorithm breaks and flags me as a cheater even though I didn't cheat :)


Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By fecknmental on Saturday, November 04 @ 07:36:10 EST
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Admit it your a big cheater bet you had a modded xbox didnt you lol (only joking)





Screw Microsoft and their cheating rules (Score: 1)
Posted By Angelito on Saturday, November 04 @ 19:19:23 EST
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They will ban and screw people that cheat on the gamer scores, but leave free anyone that sends harrassing msgs, bridges, stanby and all that rest of the crap.
The only leaderborad that does not hurt the other players is the gamer score, so who cares. But when people boost or bridge or anything else they don't give a crap.
I guess the gamer score leader board was made to make poeple buy games, so that one cost them money so they will adress it, but if you already spent the money and now are getting screwed on the game on live, they don't give a crap.


Not buy (Score: 1)
Posted By TANK on Saturday, November 04 @ 19:45:27 EST
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Actually if you talk to the people at the top, they mostly rent their games. No one could affrod to play that many games at 60 bucks a pop.




Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By fecknmental on Sunday, November 05 @ 06:45:00 EST
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Yes but the companies still gain from rented games after all the rental companies have to pay for the game :)




u should see my message box (Score: 1)
Posted By StripClubDj on Thursday, November 16 @ 04:39:37 EST
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I get like 100 no kidding a day of harrasing messages and MS says they cant do anything about it they say leave feedback. and when i mean rude messages ive heard everything!!!!!!!!!!!!!





I agree, cheating is wrong (Score: 1)
Posted By MrParadox on Sunday, November 05 @ 17:09:05 EST
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Getting to the top of the leaderboards using any means other than the intended method, is in my opinion, cheating. Sharing gamesaves is not the problem. People have just abused the priviledge. I think instead of locking the gamesave, just make sure they cannot get further achievements if used on a different console/different gamertag. I personally, could care less about achievement points..and I dont have near as much time in a day as these 13yr olds that can fly through a game in several hours straight. I would like to use gamesaves to experience a game fully, without spending alot of time with it. Just my honest opinion.



sigh (Score: 1)
Posted By br1ckt0p on Sunday, November 05 @ 17:58:44 EST
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I just don't get why some people are so obsessed with their gamer score.
I guess the same reason they are with their Halo 2 rank?


Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By fecknmental on Monday, November 06 @ 08:53:18 EST
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Depending on how you look at it it can show what a heavy gamer you are or how good you are (halo 2) but yeah i dont see what so big about the achievement points in a year or so everyone will be in 10`s of thopusand points





Glad to hear this, but it's not so simple... (Score: 1)
Posted By forceusr on Monday, November 06 @ 11:52:32 EST
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My competitive nature makes me care about Gamerscore, despite the fact that it really doesn't mean a thing. ;) I've earned every single one of my gamerpoints and it irks me to know that people are downloading gamesaves to get the higher scores (not to mention, the unlockable stuff in the games themselves.)

The article mentions that MGC.net is going to start flagging accounts who have huge jumps in gamerscore. What happens to someone who plays a ton of stuff offline (with the console disconnected from Live) and then decides to log onto Live for whatever reason (and then has his gamerscore update for the first time in a while?) Oblivion is a perfect example - it's possible to gain a few hundred points at a sitting.

At any rate, it's nice to see Microsoft doing something about it.



I wonder where I read this before? (Score: 1)
Posted By Awfullygood on Monday, November 06 @ 14:19:05 EST
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Oh Yeah. ;)

http://gamerscorewhore.blogspot.com/2006/11/interesting-week-in-gamerscore.html




Loose all ranking and achievements (Score: 1)
Posted By MEP46 on Tuesday, November 07 @ 08:45:15 EST
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Just go back to the old ways if there is no points or achievements we wouldn't be talking about this. I had no problem playing games just for the fun of it


Actually... (Score: 1)
Posted By Kaens on Tuesday, November 07 @ 17:26:01 EST
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Going back to score IS the old days. Every early game from when I was a youngster had a score, you replayed it for a higher score and competed with friends to see who owned the arcade machine at the 7-11 or Pizza Hut. It was ALWAYS about score, then scores just disappeared altogether in the 90s and now they're back!





I am one of them (Score: 1)
Posted By StripClubDj on Thursday, November 16 @ 04:34:18 EST
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Ive used saves to keep pace with all the hard work i put into the gamerscore for almost a year now. I haven't cheated like everyone like to talk like i don't play games at all i play atleast 8 hours a day but yes im labeled a cheater. Im glad MS came out with that update atleast now until they ban or something i will be on top. until 100k then i think i retire because just this week alone i dropped $800 hdd-drive and 7 games crazy but the sad thing is gamerscore isn't worth anything but they are like legal drugs. Im trying to kick them everyday.


i really am a nice person and a good gamer just went to the dark side hopefully one day somebody can say StripClubDj was a good gamer.


thank you
Gary Dudley
USA



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