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Microsoft Says 120GB Is Worth The Money

by CodeMonkey| Published: Wednesday, April 04 @ 18:11:12 EDT
Microsoft's product manager, Aaron Greenberg, says the 120GB hard disk is well within reason for pricing...

Many gamers are saying "I can get a 120GB hard drive at [insert store here] for have this price!" Microsoft is arguing that gamers are talking about traditional hard disks, not laptop hard drives like the one in the Xbox 360.

"We know it is expensive and we have definitely heard that feedback but it is a little apples and oranges to compare it to internal PC hard drives because those are off the shelf drives that you have to install yourself. There is a lot of work there for your average consumer it is not a plug in and play experience for them"

Greenberg goes on to say "a 120 gig self-powered external PC drive and in that case we are seeing those retail at anywhere from $160 to $200 for comparable laptop sized external hard drives." So...lets crack open a few sites and compare...

Here are a few I see on froogle.google.com:

  • Seagate ST9120821A Momentus 120GB Laptop Hard Drive: USD $98.95
  • 120GB Laptop Hard Drive Sony Vaio PCG F680: $109.99
  • 120GB Laptop Hard Drive Apple IBook (All Models): $104.99
These are just from the first page and a half. So, what exactly does this Microsoft laptop do that's so much more expensive? Apparently the external nature of the drive is worth USD $70.00 or more? I can get Cavalry 120GB USB 2.0 External Hard Drive for Laptops at Wal-Mart for USD $129.98 and a Seagate 120GB 2.5" External Hard Drive at another online store for $120.33.

The real problem? The proprietary plug allows Microsoft to charge a USD $50.00 premium on every "laptop drive." What do you think? We getting ripped off?

source: 1up.com


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well (Score: 1)
Posted By TANK on Wednesday, April 04 @ 18:34:50 EDT
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It's not really the shell plug because inside the housing is a standard laptop to 360 converter for lack of a better term.

What you're buying is the Xbox360 File System which so far can't be replicated by even hackers yet. All the 360 hard drives are formatted already and they all perform within a certain spec range. Where as off the shelf laptop drives don't.

So ya their drive is expensive, but it's not insanely expensive. People need to just ask themselves do they really need it. You've been getting along with a 20gb drive for a year now, do you really need 120gigs?



Does that filesystem cost more when there is more of it? (Score: 1)
Posted By codemonkey on Thursday, April 05 @ 11:40:53 EDT
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I mean, what you're saying is that you're buying the technology. Isn't that the same technology used in the 20GB disk? So...it costs more for something they already created a few years back? I don't buy it :)

You're buying some technology, sure, but file systems are not part of drives, they're part of the system that formats them.

That'd be like saying a FAT16, FAT32, NTFS, EXT3, EXT2 and Mac file systems (ext3?) would all be varying costs because of the varying complexities in the format....





Depends on what you're doing with it... (Score: 1)
Posted By stang503421 on Wednesday, April 04 @ 18:44:29 EDT
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Want It? Yeah, I do!

Need It? Hell no I don't!

If I could move data from my 360 drive to my pc I'd be a happy camper, but in the mean time I can't part with $200 for a bigger HD.

BUT, there may be some out there that download a ton of movies/shows who would like the extra space, so I could see them needing one.

The price is what it is. What else do you expect from M$? At least I didn't have to pay $600 for my 360 like Sony did to diehard PS3'ers.


Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By fecknmental on Thursday, April 05 @ 18:36:08 EDT
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PS3 is more expensive but worth it if you can afford it the 360 Elite offers nothing worth the extra price tag.




You can move it to your PC. (Score: 1)
Posted By Nomad on Thursday, April 05 @ 22:47:45 EDT
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Buy one of these...I got one and its awesome.

http://www.circuitcity.com/rpsm/N/40335670/context/99335670/rpem/ccd/howToGetIt.do?userClick=SHIPPING&oid=164595&zip=null





Paying for the brand name (Score: 1)
Posted By SirPoonga on Wednesday, April 04 @ 19:51:09 EDT
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Why does a Harley have a $16k msrp but the dealer sells it for $19k yet a similar Victory (which has more power) is $13k? It's all about the brand name.

Tank is right, you are paying for the process to create the encrypted partition and for the cable/software to transfer from your 20gig hdd.

It is a little expensive, but not that much.

The big question is can you sell your current 360 and get an Elite for less than the cost of the 120gig hdd?



6x + 80 = y the hell r u complaining (Score: 1)
Posted By n3rf on Wednesday, April 04 @ 22:08:39 EDT
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Here's the part I don't get. When ppl were discussing their reasons for going with the Premium 360 purchase, most were heard rationalizing their purchase choice by saying "It's a $100 for the hard drive and you get wireless capabilities for free."

So, ppl were perfectly fine w/ already spending $100 on 20 gigs, but then offer 6x the amount of storage for $80 more and it's outrageous?! Ppl need to stop blaming others for their consumer mistakes.


Not Really! (Score: 1)
Posted By twhitt on Thursday, April 05 @ 09:12:36 EDT
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I think it would be a mistake to say that people were okay paying 100.00 difference between the core an preimium system for a 20G hard drive. The 20G hard drive was only a small part of the difference for the 100.00. You also got a wireless controller about a 20.00 difference. The Composite cable allowing HDTV. 40.00 and a 20.00 headset. That means you paid $20.00 for the 20 G HD and that is nothing to complain about. Now they want you to pay 180.00 for and additional 100G. thats 499.00 + 180.00= 679.00 you could spend the 599.00 and get the PS3 with a 60 gig and Blue Ray HD player. To get similar with Xbox then you have to spend 499.00 + 199.00 for HDdvd + 180.00 for the larger HD So going that route it is 880.00 to get the similar options as the PS3. Don't get me wrong I like my 360. I am just not stupid enought to fall for there peace by peace purchasing system. It cost more but you only see it in small amounts so it seems cheaper. The nice part of the mIcrosoft way is you only have to buy what you want and leave the rest.




Right On Point! (Score: 1)
Posted By stereojnky on Thursday, April 05 @ 18:13:05 EDT
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I agree with everything that you said. I just wanted to add that microsoft is punishing early adopters by pricing the hard drive so high. I know you've got to make some money, but why not reward me for choosing your console by letting me use any hard drive I want. They also should have had more forward thinking and put a removeable card slot in for future expansion. And it was a no-brainer for me to get the premium for all the reasons you listed plus the memory card is $40. I felt like for another $60 I could get everything else plus the extra storage. For some games you really do need the hard drive.




Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By fecknmental on Thursday, April 05 @ 18:39:45 EDT
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MS dont want you using anything other than there brand i mean compare the 360 you can only use there bluetooth headset wheras the PS3 you can use a normal mobile phone headset?

MS= Conning money grabbing *****




Really Not Really (Score: 1)
Posted By n3rf on Friday, April 06 @ 21:55:54 EDT
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Arg...IE crashed when I was posting this. So, you're getting the shortened version of the short version (because I forgot about this topic and it seems old now) unless you want my pie charts where I point out some parts you might have gone a little off course w/ the numbers and the intentions of my OP.

120gb @ $180 = $1.50/gb

20gb * $1.50 = $30

So, if you go by your numbers and again, there are points I have issue w/ and they can be a PM if you'd like, it's not the highway robbery that everyone is crying about.

If you use my numbers (and since my OP's intention was to point out fucked up consumer rationalizations) the pricing looks like a SCREAMING DEAL. Long live the creed of the early adopters, there's always somebody else you can blame for your haste and impulsiveness!!! (No, that comment wasn't directed at you.)

But here's the best part, I think: I'm not getting one...too much money (even @ $120 using your 20gb for $20 math) to spend on something I don't need!




Really Not Really! (Score: 1)
Posted By n3rf on Friday, April 06 @ 21:58:52 EDT
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Whoops, replied to the wrong tree element!

Arg...IE crashed when I was posting this. So, you're getting the shortened version of the short version (because I forgot about this topic and it seems old now) unless you want my pie charts where I point out some parts you might have gone a little off course w/ the numbers and the intentions of my OP.

120gb @ $180 = $1.50/gb

20gb * $1.50 = $30

So, if you go by your numbers and again, there are points I have issue w/ and they can be a PM if you'd like, it's not the highway robbery that everyone is crying about.

If you use my numbers (and since my OP's intention was to point out fucked up consumer rationalizations) the pricing looks like a SCREAMING DEAL. Long live the creed of the early adopters, there's always somebody else you can blame for your haste and impulsiveness!!! (No, that comment wasn't directed at you.)

But here's the best part, I think: I'm not getting one...too much money (even @ $120 using your 20gb for $20 math) to spend on something I don't need!




I give up (Score: 1)
Posted By n3rf on Friday, April 06 @ 22:03:28 EDT
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twhitt, those replies were suppose to be to your reply but the damn thing keeps going to the wrong person!

Now, what happens if I reply to myself?





Going to the Elite anyway... (Score: 1)
Posted By CrypticCat on Thursday, April 05 @ 09:04:52 EDT
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I'm migrating to the Elite anyway, because I want the HDMI and really start gaming in glorious graphic-heaven. And the large HDD only means room for more, more and more. Whatever the price... Hey we're console-gamers. We pay. That's just how it is.


All reports I've heard (Score: 1)
Posted By codemonkey on Thursday, April 05 @ 11:43:43 EDT
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even from Microsoft (on MajorNelson's show) the HDMI isn't really even noticable. I'm not paying a premium (no pun intended) for something that's not even noticable.

CodeMonkey




Major Nelson is full of... (Score: 1)
Posted By deucedriver on Thursday, April 05 @ 21:41:18 EDT
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His statement is too generic, since the HD picture (through HDMI) you see isn't so much a function of the 360, but of the television you watch it on. I have a Samsung DLP and the difference between the component and HDMI is very noticeable. I'm very skeptical about the claims of one input being better than another, but when I switched from component to DVI (hdmi) on my set, it was an eye opening moment. I was shocked. This is an issue with a lot of fixed pixel displays.

Now the 360 HD picture is very good on my Samsung 50" DLP ( I wouldn't complain), but there is a difference that even my wife (my "in house" normal person) can see. Watch an HD DVD versus a Blu-Ray on my PS3, and it will make a believer out of anyone.

I won't be running out to purchase an elite, but I wish I would have had the option for HDMI. If you pay the big bucks for and HD set, it would be nice to operate at optimal settings.




it makes sense (Score: 1)
Posted By OmegaMan on Friday, April 06 @ 18:14:42 EDT
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I would have purchased an "ELITE" had it been released at launch for the HDMI and the 120 HDD but will not purchase the larger drive just so M$ can make extra money off early adopters of an unfinished beta test machine. M$ please wait to release hard and software when its finished and dont fracture your installed base even more, you are already winning the next gen console war dont shoot your loyal soldiers in the wallet again.





Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By Caesar on Thursday, April 05 @ 13:14:01 EDT
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i knew there was a reason the price was jacked up , they basically have drove out competitors from being able to make a hd for the 360 because of the way it connects.



$180??? (Score: 1)
Posted By nathanstl on Thursday, April 05 @ 21:56:16 EDT
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Why is everyone saying it is $180 more for the Elite. Everywhere I've seen it is priced at $479 and the premium is $399. You pay $79 more for 100gb, HDMI, and HDMI cable. Not to mention supposedly limited edition color. I'm upgrading for sure.


$180 (Score: 1)
Posted By OmegaMan on Saturday, April 07 @ 22:01:59 EDT
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If you had read more closely,its the hdd thats $180, and if you've got the cash go for the ELITE and give M$ every penny you've got.It is just a little shocking to me that some people are willing to buy the same system twice,oh wait gb, gb color,gb pocket, gb advance,........... M$ taking lessons from BIG N, oh boy !!!




Just Want the Gigs (Score: 1)
Posted By stereojnky on Monday, April 09 @ 00:08:32 EDT
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Yeah, I've already got the premium and just want the extra hard drive space. And when I say early adopter I mean that I just got mine a few months ago, not years. And I hate to whine because they are giving you a lot for the money with the Elite. If I had waited, I would probably buy one(the Elite),but I didn't so I won't. Just saying customers should be offered a viable option to upgrade without spending a fortune. And 180 bucks is too much to spend for the drive alone just as 100 bucks is too much for the 20gig. You can't even transfer your data to the new machine if you upgrade! What kind of B.S. is that? Is it my fault for not waiting? Yes. Should MS take advantage of that? No.





I Feel Like I'm Being Screwed! (Score: 1)
Posted By tlchristendom on Friday, April 20 @ 21:56:05 EDT
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I feel like I'm being screwed! They knew they were going to release a bigger HD, yet they let us believe that the Premium was the top of the line.

Way to go M$.

Christendom



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