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Gears of War Map Pack outs Microsoft in a Fib

by tank| Published: Tuesday, May 01 @ 14:45:08 EDT
Gears of War will get another set of downloadable content this week on May 2nd. The new DLC however outs Microsoft in a small fib as well. First off the new content will be a map pack for 800 marketplace points (we’ll talk about that later), which will get you the four brand new maps listed below.

The Maps

Bullet MarshM: In this Kryll-infested swamp, an old generator still powers the area lights. A few stray bullets could easily knock out the generator, leaving combatants to fend for themselves against the Kryll.

Garden: This overgrown and crumbling conservatory still has a working fertilization and pesticide system. This system can pose a serious hazard to anyone who ventures into the greenhouse without first venting the air.

Process: Teams must fight for control of this subterranean Imulsion processing plant, still active despite the cessation of the Pendulum wars.

Subway: Timgad's Central Subway station used to serve as a central hub for commuters. Now the tunnels are crawling with Locust.

While four new maps does sound great, 800 points for just maps seems a little too greedy to us. Maybe it's because we are old and fickle, but if it added some new weapons or new versus modes, then 800 points might seem fair. Then again, if you want to wait until September you can get them free. Um woot?

There is more to this story then just 800 mp points though. Major has consistently led us to believe that someone other than Microsoft sets the price of marketplace content. We hear this every time over priced downloadable content is released and the community goes into an uproar (Guitar Hero 2 Tracks anyone?).

Well in the case of Gears of War we know that Epic wanted the content to be FREE. Epic’s Tim Sweeney went on record several weeks ago on the 1Up podcast stating that Epic and MS were not agreeing on whether the DLC would be free or not.

So how is it if Epic wants this stuff free yet they hit the Marketplace at 800 points? Sure, one could argue they will be free in four months. Problem is in video game age, four months means dead and buried for 99% of games out there. There are a few jewels that buck that timeline like Halo2 and maybe Gears of War, but four months is a ridiculous amount of time to make fans wait to get content that SHOULD HAVE been free. Your thoughts?


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Why Free? (Score: 1)
Posted By Big0ne on Tuesday, May 01 @ 15:01:54 EDT
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Unless the developers, map creators, testers, MS certification team, server administrators, marketers, etc. etc. all work for free then I'm not sure why everyone has their panties in a bunch about having to pay for something that wasn't put together for free. Maybe Cliffy doesn't mind doing it for nothing but the folks at MS still have people and time invested in getting it to your hands and that costs $. It took a significant amount of time for the Halo 2 map pack to become free and I don't remember everyone complaining about that. $9 - $10 isn't that much to pay based on the hours of entertainment you get from the product. You can't go see a movie for that and it only lasts 2 hours.


Bam! (Score: 1)
Posted By CricketCross on Tuesday, May 01 @ 17:04:48 EDT
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Agree 100%. Like someone said before, Microsoft is the publisher of this game, so it's up to them to set the price. The main reason I wouldn't D/L the Guitar Hero II content, is because the songs were on the first GH. Nothing new. It's not like Red Octane had to go back and work on development for those all over again. These maps are 100% new, and will be worth the price.




Bad Buisness (Score: 1)
Posted By bushmaster27 on Tuesday, May 01 @ 20:19:56 EDT
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Hmmm Epic sold millions of copys of GOW at $60 a pop Xbox live has 4 million plus subscribers (silver and gold) and 70% of those have downloaded stuff from the marketplace and don't forget the $50 yearly fee for gold subscribers. Anyone who feels sorry for MS and the big game developing companies or think they are fair in charging for extra content when it should have been included in the original retail game is a fool. Thats like saying the oil companies are fair by jacking up the prices for gas and heating oil when they are recording multi-billion dollar profits.





Not the point (Score: 1)
Posted By Jmarps on Tuesday, May 01 @ 20:53:14 EDT
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Comparing oil prices t expansion packs for video games is ridiculous.

Last I checked we lived in a capitalist society. Don't want to pay for the maps? Fine, don't pay.

But that's not really the issue is it? The issue is that MS has gone on record saying that they do not set the price of the content. This release makes it seem likt they do.




Could not disagree more (Score: 1)
Posted By rabbmasterflash on Wednesday, May 02 @ 08:52:19 EDT
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it is a principle of...the developer wants the content to be free and is not being allowed to let that happen, I am quite sure all parties involved get paid regardless very well





Microsoft bullied them... (Score: 1)
Posted By Gatsu on Tuesday, May 01 @ 15:18:42 EDT
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Thats all it is.

M$ probably told them "this is our store....you either charge or we dont carry your shit anymore.

If I were epic...I would put the content for free on their website to download tto a disc or something.



Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By Spartacus on Tuesday, May 01 @ 15:20:35 EDT
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I would agree, especially considering that the last round of maps was free. This is a business and and needs to be be run like one if the company is going to attract the top talent it needs to continue producing games along the calibur of GOW.

While unconfirmed, I think there's concensus that the whole "Cliffy B. Blog thing / 12 map preview" was a hoax. Hotmail address, picture of Zelda in the preview pic, no correlation to maps mentioned and those just released, not to mention a third-party blog site and not Epic?

Goofy scam.

Good news, we'll have some new maps on Thursday and they sound excellent.




Not much of a multiplayer anyway (Score: 1)
Posted By Gorbash on Tuesday, May 01 @ 15:32:08 EDT
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I'll wait for the free download. I've played some of the GoW multiplayer, and while I had fun, the lobby system is just so bad and it just wasn't as fun as coop play.

Meh



The difference between Gears and Guitar Hero... (Score: 1)
Posted By Enosh on Tuesday, May 01 @ 15:36:14 EDT
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There's a fundamental difference between Gears of War and Guitar Hero. With Guitar Hero, Red Octane sets the price for DLC because they are the publisher. In that case Microsoft is more or less the retailer and sells the product for the price set by the publisher.

With Gears of War Microsoft IS the publisher so they have the right to set their price. It's not really an apples to apples comparison.

That all said, I don't really feel that bad paying $10 for the 4 maps. In all honestly I've gotten far more than $60 in value out of the game so far and as much as I continue to play, being part of Art of War and participating in the 2old2play ladders, I will get more than $10 in value out of the 4 maps in the pack.

They definitely sound different and interesting, which is good. I just hope they don't suck :)


Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By FivebyFive on Wednesday, May 02 @ 09:53:40 EDT
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Exactly!! There is no "fib" on Microsoft's part.

MS sets the price of content for games they've published, EA sets the price of content for games they've published, Ubisoft sets the price of content for games they've published, etc.

Mind you, MS sets the pricing "structure" for the Marketplace and I'm sure takes a cut. So, I'm sure they want eveything on the MP at cost... can not take a "cut" of zero.

5x5





Poor Journalism (Score: 1)
Posted By bunsen27 on Tuesday, May 01 @ 15:51:16 EDT
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I cannot believe that this site would allow such an erroneous piece of “journalism” on the front page.

Quote Tank= Well in the case of Gears of War we have it on record that Epic wanted the content to be FREE. Even recently Cliffy B posted on Epic’s Blog that there are 12 new maps done for Gears of War and all will be free.

“I will sit down here and discuss the twelve new maps to be released for a little game I envisioned called Gears of War. These maps will cost around a total of 0 Micro$oft Points a piece. In the end, we worked it out. Idle threats of Gears slipping to PS3 (HA!) worked in our favour.” (Cliffy B.) (end quote Tank)

To believe that the quote is attributed to Cliffy B is ridiculous! It was posted on a false IGN.com blog that was a complete hoax. Does anybody even check references for members submitted news items? Epic’s Tim Sweeney did go on record several weeks ago on the 1Up podcast stating that Epic and MS were not agreeing on whether the DLC would be free or not. See your original post:

http://www.2old2play.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=29892

As for the cost of DLC being 800MS points….that’s not cheap, but not bad for 4 maps.


Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By doodirock on Tuesday, May 01 @ 16:17:19 EDT
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The Cliffy B info was taken out, but the fact does remain that members of epic wanted the DLC to be free and MS chose other wise.




That is correct (Score: 1)
Posted By bunsen27 on Tuesday, May 01 @ 16:19:47 EDT
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Absolutely! Hence why I listed the original forum topic attributing that to Tim Sweeney. Thanks for making the correction.




Point remains valid (Score: 1)
Posted By TANK on Tuesday, May 01 @ 17:09:20 EDT
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Whether or not the cliffyB blog thing was true or haox, there is plenty of valid documentation out there that Epic wants their content to be FREE and Microsoft doesn't. The point of the article remains valid.





I'm not saying it should be free (Score: 1)
Posted By naveeda on Tuesday, May 01 @ 16:12:37 EDT
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Just that 800 points are a lot for this stuff.



Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By Caesar on Tuesday, May 01 @ 16:23:56 EDT
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thats bs


I Would Go As Far As To Say..... (Score: 1)
Posted By tlchristendom on Tuesday, May 01 @ 17:36:07 EDT
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Double BS..................

Christendom





Kind of like $3+ gasoline (Score: 1)
Posted By CottonKing on Tuesday, May 01 @ 18:14:33 EDT
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It is amazing how we have all become accustomed to paying $60+ for games and now paying more $$$ on top of that for "extra" content. (Microsoft's "points" are like chips in Vegas . . . "hey its like Monopoly money, not like laying down a $10 bill ". I am all for capitalism and a free market, but it sometimes seems like we are getting hosed on these games and their "extras". GOW has generated huge dollars already and paying more for content brings up some mixed emotions.

I will pay for the extra content because I enjoy the game and a lot of my clansmen are buying them.

At least there is a big incentive for game companies to try and create top notch games. The returns are huge if they get it right.



Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By Jennifer on Tuesday, May 01 @ 19:04:47 EDT
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I dont really get bothered by paying for extra content as long as its worthwhile. Someone had to make it and MS has to put it up for download so 5 or 10 bucks for something doesnt make me cry.



Scamalicious... (Score: 1)
Posted By The_R3d_Scare on Wednesday, May 02 @ 05:31:24 EDT
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The whole Epic vs M$ disagreement is simply to take the heat off. It distracts people and ameliorates the public's disdain for over priced DLC.



Death by a thousand cuts... (Score: 1)
Posted By Ewok_Poacher on Wednesday, May 02 @ 10:46:09 EDT
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$10 is overpriced.

And it really isn't $10, it's the cost of 1000 pts. soo...$12.50. $10 of which you are going to use for this conent and $2.50 you will never see again in your life because you are going to end up spending it on some crap download you really don't want, but since you have the points you might as well use them.




No fib being told..... (Score: 1)
Posted By Mr_Kastle on Wednesday, May 02 @ 11:19:06 EDT
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Major Nelson said the publisher sets the price. Microsoft is the publisher of Gears of War, they are not the publishers of Guitar Hero II. They didn't set the Guitar Hero price but they did set the Gears of War price. Microsoft may not have been completely forthcoming but they didn't lie.


Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By BrokenDesign on Wednesday, May 02 @ 15:35:18 EDT
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The fib has been told. Case in point: Geometry Wars. Bizarre Creations is listed as the Developer / Publisher of the XBLA title and MS forced them to charge for it, where they were planning to release it for free as a reward to those who purchased the 360 at launch.





Business as usual. (Score: 1)
Posted By Agnostic on Wednesday, May 02 @ 12:13:28 EDT
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The marketplace is just another store to squeeze every penny from the consumer. Microsoft has every right to sell overpriced B.S. And we have every right not to shell out the cash. If people stop paying for this crap MSFT will adjust prices.

I believe in a free market and a black market. Products and IP fall out the back of trucks everyday. It's not what you know, but who you know.



It's not that bad....... (Score: 1)
Posted By biggdogg40509 on Wednesday, May 02 @ 14:22:47 EDT
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I still got some points to burn up so i'm getting it for my machine. the thing that sucks is, i will have to go out to the store, to get a 1600 point card so that m son can have it on his machine. I won't tie my CC info to the machine the kids play on because they'd probably download willy nilly.... lol



Charging is fine, but.... (Score: 1)
Posted By tigerous on Wednesday, May 02 @ 17:08:08 EDT
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Honestly, I don't usually have a problem with a company charging for additional content. There are a few things to point out though. First, if the developer of the game wants the content free and Microsoft wants to cover their own costs, then the content should probably be cheaper than 800 points since that is roughly $10. Especially since the largest cost should be on the end of the developer and not Microsoft. Second, given the fiasco with Microsoft's DRM setup, any cost seems unjustifiable for me. I mean, the way it currently sits, we pay for the content, but if we have to replace our system because it's lost, stolen, damaged in a flood or fire, or suffered from a hardware failure, you end up only being able to use the content when logged into the account that originally downloaded. For families with multiple users, this is not fair to legitimate customers.



Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By d0od on Wednesday, May 02 @ 17:36:04 EDT
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I don't mind paying for extra content for games like Oblivion because I have gotten a huge dollar to play time ratio. Gears on the other hand is still in a major deficit in my mind. I will not in any way pay more money out to that game.



Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By vin1man on Wednesday, May 02 @ 19:37:36 EDT
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i agree i don't mind paying for extra content but make it a bit reasonable
10 bux for those maps is too much just like the price tags on the guitar hero 2 song packs .

Microsoft needs to open a "Dollar Store" real quick




Untitled (Score: 1)
Posted By newtizzle on Wednesday, May 02 @ 20:19:58 EDT
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ms needs to check it self before it wrecks itself. i know its lame but it really applies to this.

i think every once in awhile they need to offer free stuff to people. especially for people who buy points alot. birthday points would be great and holiday points. stuff like that. and just some free stuff once in awhile would be even better. i dont mind paying, but if they dont start coughing up more free stuff they are going to screw themselves in the end.

i already pay for the damn service. why keep spending so much when we get so little in return. even a damn thank you would be nice.



Free Enterprise in Capitalist Society (Score: 1)
Posted By Tactica on Friday, May 04 @ 16:27:55 EDT
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See the subject of my post... any suprise MS wants to make a buck or 10 where it can?

MS has built a means by which developers invest IP (intellectual property) and time plus deal with any backlash of functionality or shortcoming but MS is both the gauge of market, gauge of value, govenor of product releases, distributor, head of marketing and head of sales. I applaud them. Talk about innovation and next gen gaming / content, they've done that.

I too wish all the content I wanted to pull down from live was at no cost.

However, occassionally we succumb to our hobby/interest. You speak with your wallet folks. Its your number 1 asset when it comes to market influence. You can write a letter, post on boards and blog about it till your fingers are numb... but if you unite in mass and refuse to pay the prices, it will send a signal.

Combine a well timed effort with certified notification to the proper folks at both Epic and MS - and your impact will have a unified voice.

In short, as long as there is a demand, they will continue to supply and fuel the market. If MS sees next to no downloads of Gears maps until they become free, then millions of downloads - they'll get the message.

Remember, this is all as new to us as it is them. We are making the history, we are setting the stage. The more you buy "maps" and "Themes" or "weapons" the more they'll continue to produce and charge for them. MS is just feeling out the market to see what it will bear. Xlive is a money train for them that they simply didn't expect. Its performing better than all forecasts and the public loves it. In many ways, its up to us - the gamers - on how it develops.

Your purchases are as powerful as your votes for office. They might be more powerful. Think about it.

Cheers,

Tac



Paranoid much or just misleading people? (Score: 1)
Posted By Urza on Friday, May 04 @ 18:35:53 EDT
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Wow my respect for this site just went down...


"Major has consistently led us to believe that someone other than Microsoft sets the price of marketplace content. We hear this every time over priced downloadable content is released and the community goes into an uproar (Guitar Hero 2 Tracks anyone?)."

Yes, Major HAS SAID someone other than Microsoft sets the price of the marketplace content. The PUBLISHER of the games set the price of the content. So who published Guitar Hero? Not Microsoft. Who published Ghost Recon? Not Microsoft? How about some of the other DLC people have complained about? Probably not microsoft.

"Well in the case of Gears of War we know that Epic wanted the content to be FREE. Epic’s Tim Sweeney went on record several weeks ago on the 1Up podcast stating that Epic and MS were not agreeing on whether the DLC would be free or not. "

Unfortunately Epic isn't the publisher, they're the developer. We know who the publisher is and if you don't know, I'm not going to tell you. Look at the box.

This isn't a conspiracy. This is one example of overpricing that we can all point the figure at microsoft for, the others aren't.



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