SoupNazzi

Name: SoupNazzi
Joined On: Aug 23, 2005
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Honduras - Military Coup?

Wow, a lot has been left unsaid in most of the major media outlets. Everywhere I read, this has been a military coup. However, from what I am reading in the WSJ, the Military was acting on orders from the Honduras Supreme Court and following their Constitution.

It seems that President Mel Zelaya miscalculated when he tried to emulate the success of his good friend Hugo in reshaping the Honduran Constitution to his liking.

That Mr. Zelaya acted as if he were above the law, there is no doubt. While Honduran law allows for a constitutional rewrite, the power to open that door does not lie with the president. A constituent assembly can only be called through a national referendum approved by its Congress.

But Mr. Zelaya declared the vote on his own and had Mr. Chávez ship him the necessary ballots from Venezuela. The Supreme Court ruled his referendum unconstitutional, and it instructed the military not to carry out the logistics of the vote as it normally would do.

The top military commander, Gen. Romeo Vásquez Velásquez, told the president that he would have to comply. Mr. Zelaya promptly fired him. The Supreme Court ordered him reinstated. Mr. Zelaya refused.

Calculating that some critical mass of Hondurans would take his side, the president decided he would run the referendum himself. So on Thursday he led a mob that broke into the military installation where the ballots from Venezuela were being stored and then had his supporters distribute them in defiance of the Supreme Court's order.

The attorney general had already made clear that the referendum was illegal, and he further announced that he would prosecute anyone involved in carrying it out. Yesterday, Mr. Zelaya was arrested by the military and is now in exile in Costa Rica.

It appears to me that the Honduran Military was only complying with the Constitution and following the orders of its Supreme Court. Since when was it illegal for a country to follow its Constitution and its own law?

So why are we piling on Honduras?

Mrs. Clinton has piled on as well. Yesterday she accused Honduras of violating "the precepts of the Interamerican Democratic Charter" and said it "should be condemned by all." Fidel Castro did just that. Mr. Chávez pledged to overthrow the new government.

Shouldn't we be encouraging another country to follow its own Constitution and law?

Honduras is fighting back by strictly following the constitution. The Honduran Congress met in emergency session yesterday and designated its president as the interim executive as stipulated in Honduran law. It also said that presidential elections set for November will go forward. The Supreme Court later said that the military acted on its orders. It also said that when Mr. Zelaya realized that he was going to be prosecuted for his illegal behavior, he agreed to an offer to resign in exchange for safe passage out of the country. Mr. Zelaya denies it.

They've got my vote.

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Posted by SoupNazzi on Mon Jun 29, 2009 @ 4:33 pm EDT | 13 Comments
http://www.2old2play.com/Blog/ekattan

Some good comments. Keep the dialog going as this is important stuff.

Posted by TheDastard on Mon Jun 29, 2009 @ 4:43 pm EDT

That place is bad, my brother-in-law is from there and I hear all kinds of story of shit that goes on there

Posted by XSIce on Mon Jun 29, 2009 @ 4:47 pm EDT

The media has it all wrong. Zelaya was just a pawn for Chavez and his American conquest. We are all in shock by MS. Clinton's comments.

In BBC news, Hondurans made thousands of comments explaining how the Honduran Government did the right thing and how Zelaya was a cancer to the country and how he threatened to destroy all democracy in Honduras.

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=6660&edition=2&ttl=20090629215001

Now the UN and the OAS are making this mad man look like a martyr. We need the International community to know that this mad man was nothing but a thief trying to gain unlimited power by force just like Chavez. Yet Ms. Clinton praises that.

Posted by ekattan on Mon Jun 29, 2009 @ 4:54 pm EDT

LMAO... *sigh* I hate duplicating someone else's story.

Posted by SoupNazzi on Mon Jun 29, 2009 @ 5:00 pm EDT

Don't worry, it's good your commenting on it. It brings awareness to this injustice. How can the US side on the side of Chavez? That is simply what they are doing. If they restore him to power, he will remain in power and enslave the Honduran people in name of Chavez. WTF is the US thinking?

Posted by ekattan on Mon Jun 29, 2009 @ 5:05 pm EDT

http://faustasblog.com/ - She reads English and the Spanish newspapers

Posted by SoupNazzi on Mon Jun 29, 2009 @ 5:08 pm EDT

Good find Soup.

Posted by TheDastard on Mon Jun 29, 2009 @ 5:16 pm EDT

Soup the last straw came on Saturday when the government confirmed reports of load of people coming in through the Nicaraguan border. It is believed they were Nicaraguans and Venezuelans trying to be used as voters with fake ID's. The The Ex-President and the Executive branch issued a law on the government's newspaper mentioning that the Sunday poll would be in fact hold legitimately to install a referendum to abolish the actual constitution. The Honduran Government had to step in immediately.

Posted by ekattan on Mon Jun 29, 2009 @ 5:28 pm EDT

WSJ:

Latin America analysts said the Honduran coup will complicate Mr. Obama's efforts to re-engage a region where anti-Americanism has flourished in recent years. They said Mr. Chavez is likely to seize on the crisis to depict Central America as under attack.

As a result, analysts said Mr. Obama will need to aggressively call for the reinstatement of President Zelaya, despite U.S. concerns that he is seeking to mirror Mr. Chávez's campaign to secure limitless rule.
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Doesn't matter what the US does, these Commie bastards will always hate her. Now Honduras defends her land from Chavez and his Regime and the US accuses her for it? Seriously WTF?

Posted by ekattan on Mon Jun 29, 2009 @ 5:53 pm EDT

Now the Communist Party is taking sides with Hillary.

http://www.cpusa.org/

WTF is happening to this world?

Posted by ekattan on Mon Jun 29, 2009 @ 7:09 pm EDT

Posted by ekattan on Mon Jun 29, 2009 @ 9:08 pm EDT

It's funny I'm actually in the middle of a geography of Latin America class right now.

The way it was defined for us was that even though we as the USA want Zelaya out, we need to put on the show of our support of the democratic process and ensuring stability in the region. This was the first overthrow of a government in the region in 16 yrs.

My favorite part is the meeting being held in Nicaragua with all the Central American presidents, oh and Chavez is there too...

Zelaya was trying to alter the nations Constitution to allow for more than one term of office which is what it is currently limited to. His presidency ends Jan. 27th of next year. He was trying to get a referendum when all this madness broke out. It also was a big deal when he got rid of the nation's top military general a few weeks or months back. People were saying he couldn't do it even though as president he was commander in chief...

Prof also explained how this relates to Chavez and the far left he represents. Zelaya is a Pres. of the people while the supreme court and military re mostly made up of the elite upper class. Honduras is the second or third poorest nation in this hemisphere with a bleak outlook.

It's unfortunate the US is having to take the stand they are, but the report we have down there is already so bad, encouraging stability is the best we can do. So far at least it appears to be a bloodless coup d'état even though shots were fired...

Posted by Hoplite on Tue Jun 30, 2009 @ 11:35 am EDT

Is it any suprise that Socialist Pres. Obungo is taking sides with other socialists?

Posted by millfire517 on Tue Jun 30, 2009 @ 7:27 pm EDT

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